Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019

When will the first 'next gen' console be revealed?

  • First half of 2019

    Votes: 593 15.6%
  • Second half of 2019(let's say post E3)

    Votes: 1,361 35.9%
  • First half of 2020

    Votes: 1,675 44.2%
  • 2021 :^)

    Votes: 161 4.2%

  • Total voters
    3,790
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Benji

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I've also been telling all of you next gen wouldn't be in 2019 for over a year. I got basically chased out of these threads because of it.

Hopefully people can be more reasonable moving forward.
 

modiz

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so assuming the gonzalo leak is real,
we now have our CPU performance
and the low GPU performance bar (with good assumptions for the peak, like lets be real none of them will be above 15TF).
only thing is left is the ram.
 

FSavage

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Finally people can shut up about 8TF... now let’s see what’s the next thing those same people will be fearmongering about next!
 

Lagspike_exe

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I think 60 CU is reasonable to expect (64 - 4 for yield) unless Navi brings something new to the table.
At 60CU, the only question that remains is the clock speed and that will heavily depend on cooling. But I think absolute max that could go into a console with the improvements that 7nm brings to the table is ~1.5GHz.

Not happening. It's 2020 for sure.
 

BreakAtmo

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Look, as I've been saying since roughly March 2018 (in this very thread), next-gen is coming in 2020. That Semiaccurate article saying 2018 (lol) got people's hopes up for 2019, but by now I hope it's clear that the PS5 ain't coming out this fall.

And, despite all the rumors about devkits being out (usually from rumormongers who are wrong more often than not), the number of people briefed on next-gen is still very limited. Even within companies like, say, DICE, there'll be a small team of engineers who now have a rough idea of specs, and everyone else will know when they need to know. Not a lot of devs are disclosed on next-gen right now.

In other words, don't expect much in the way of substantial leakage just yet. The only thing to know for sure is that both Sony and Microsoft are aiming higher than that "10.7 teraflops" number that Google threw out last week. (And, as has been reported, Microsoft's got a few things in the works.)
Thank you for the details. One thing do you think there's a chance that next-gen briefings (of developers) could feasibly come closer to release this time around? That architecture continuity might mean they don't need as much lead time?
 

modiz

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in my opinion, the range for the PS5 based on current information is probably 11TF to 14TF, which is a much smaller range than we had before
 

BitsandBytes

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If PS5 is 2020 then no way will there be a reveal or even a tease of a reveal this year IMO. That goes against everything Sony have been moving towards (Apple-like short reveal/release). If they do then it points to them being shook by the competition.
 

Benji

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Opinion of first half of 2020?
Well again something I've also been saying for a long while, as Jason just said, is that dev kits aren't widely out there. There is a chunk of next gen games in development but the specifics still aren't widely out there.

So its possible first half I guess. I still expect PS5 reveal late this year as well as other reveals. But no idea when in 2020 these are coming. No idea at all
 

jschreier

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This is why I don't post here often: https://www.resetera.com/threads/rumor-next-gen-consoles-coming-2020-sony-microsoft-are-aiming-higher-than-10-7-teraflops-gpu.107952/

Anyway, I don't know for sure what next-gen specs will look like. I have no idea how many teraflops there'll be. A dev recently told me that a lot of people within studios are just making assumptions based on limited information, and that one of the assumptions is that everything's going to be twice as powerful.

The bigger question IMO is how many platforms people are going to have to ship on. Last generation's cross-platform games had to ship on five -- PS3, 360, PS4, XB1, PC -- which made people miserable and led to a lot of sacrifices. Now that number's getting even bigger thanks to mid-gen hardware refreshes and cloud platforms. That's what I think is ultimately going to hamper AAA games, not hardware restrictions.
 

anexanhume

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Well again something I've also been saying for a long while, as Jason just said, is that dev kits aren't widely out there. There is a chunk of next gen games in development but the specifics still aren't widely out there.

So its possible first half I guess. I still expect PS5 reveal late this year as well as other reveals. But no idea when in 2020 these are coming. No idea at all
I don’t see it coming H1 if dev kits aren’t prevalent yet. Unless they’re expecting everyone to build to-spec PCs.
 

Luke76bg

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Look, as I've been saying since roughly March 2018 (in this very thread), next-gen is coming in 2020. That Semiaccurate article saying 2018 (lol) got people's hopes up for 2019, but by now I hope it's clear that the PS5 ain't coming out this fall.

And, despite all the rumors about devkits being out (usually from rumormongers who are wrong more often than not), the number of people briefed on next-gen is still very limited. Even within companies like, say, DICE, there'll be a small team of engineers who now have a rough idea of specs, and everyone else will know when they need to know. Not a lot of devs are disclosed on next-gen right now.

In other words, don't expect much in the way of substantial leakage just yet. The only thing to know for sure is that both Sony and Microsoft are aiming higher than that "10.7 teraflops" number that Google threw out last week. (And, as has been reported, Microsoft's got a few things in the works.)
What do you think about this latest reddit rumor ? Totally invented ?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/b5th1y/ps5_next_gen_specs/?sort=new
 

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The bigger question IMO is how many platforms people are going to have to ship on. Last generation's cross-platform games had to ship on five -- PS3, 360, PS4, XB1, PC -- which made people miserable and led to a lot of sacrifices. Now that number's getting even bigger thanks to mid-gen hardware refreshes and cloud platforms. That's what I think is ultimately going to hamper AAA games, not hardware restrictions.

I agree with this, cross-gen titles are going to be terrible.

Imagine a developer having to make a game that can run decently and push higher fidelity on PS4, PS4 Pro, PS5, Xbox One S, Xbox One X and Next Xbox + PC version day and date.
This is going to be a mess.
 

FSavage

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If PS5 is 2020 then no way will there be a reveal or even a tease of a reveal this year IMO. That goes against everything Sony have been moving towards (Apple-like short reveal/release). If they do then it points to them being shook by the competition.
They will reveal this year if they’re releasing it early 2020, imo.
 

VX1

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Well again something I've also been saying for a long while, as Jason just said, is that dev kits aren't widely out there. There is a chunk of next gen games in development but the specifics still aren't widely out there.

So its possible first half I guess. I still expect PS5 reveal late this year as well as other reveals. But no idea when in 2020 these are coming. No idea at all
Zhuge told us in December(or January?) i think, that dev kits are out and that devs praised them,to paraphrase.
 

Welfare

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I've been saying that PS5 will be bare minimum twice as powerful as the One X. Makes little sense otherwise.
 

Benji

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Zhuge told us in December,i think, that dev kits are out and that devs praised them,to paraphrase.
I'd like to see the post if anyone can link it.

Again, I'm not saying dev kits don't exist. I've also commented for a very long while now there are numerous next gen games in development. But if every major studio had a PS5 dev kit none of you would need to sit here and theorize on anything. It would all leak.
 

BreakAtmo

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I don’t see it coming H1 if dev kits aren’t prevalent yet. Unless they’re expecting everyone to build to-spec PCs.
This could be perfectly possible, couldn't it? Stick a Zen CPU, a Vega 56 and 16GB of RAM into a PC, build your game for that, then port it to the inevitably similar Zen2+Navi PS5 in 8-10 months.
 

modiz

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I'd like to see the post if anyone can link it.

Again, I'm not saying dev kits don't exist. I've also commented for a very long while now there are numerous next gen games in development. But if every major studio had a PS5 dev kit none of you would need to sit here and theorize on anything. It would all leak.
he said that in the sony first party thread let me check.
EDIT:
here
https://www.resetera.com/threads/sony-playstation-first-party-studios-ot4-because-were-skipping-3.88555/post-17271971
PS5 dev kits are out there and I've heard positive things about it. But I wouldn't expect any information in the immediate future.
 

SG-17

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Well again something I've also been saying for a long while, as Jason just said, is that dev kits aren't widely out there. There is a chunk of next gen games in development but the specifics still aren't widely out there.

So its possible first half I guess. I still expect PS5 reveal late this year as well as other reveals. But no idea when in 2020 these are coming. No idea at all
This is why I don't post here often: https://www.resetera.com/threads/rumor-next-gen-consoles-coming-2020-sony-microsoft-are-aiming-higher-than-10-7-teraflops-gpu.107952/

Anyway, I don't know for sure what next-gen specs will look like. I have no idea how many teraflops there'll be. A dev recently told me that a lot of people within studios are just making assumptions based on limited information, and that one of the assumptions is that everything's going to be twice as powerful.

The bigger question IMO is how many platforms people are going to have to ship on. Last generation's cross-platform games had to ship on five -- PS3, 360, PS4, XB1, PC -- which made people miserable and led to a lot of sacrifices. Now that number's getting even bigger thanks to mid-gen hardware refreshes and cloud platforms. That's what I think is ultimately going to hamper AAA games, not hardware restrictions.
I think the big question is if the hardware going forward is going to mitigate this by making it much more PC-like? If the rumors are true and the PS5 is natively BC with the PS4, uses iterative hardware, and uses an iterative API theoretically it should be no harder to make games for PS4, PS4 Pro, and PS5 than making games work for multiple different PC configurations.

Stressing again if these rumors are true than they might not even need to release multiple SKUs, rather cobrand games like how some X360 BC games are cobranded 360/One and include a special mode to take advantage of the newer hardware.
 
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Look, as I've been saying since roughly March 2018 (in this very thread), next-gen is coming in 2020. That Semiaccurate article saying 2018 (lol) got people's hopes up for 2019, but by now I hope it's clear that the PS5 ain't coming out this fall.

And, despite all the rumors about devkits being out (usually from rumormongers who are wrong more often than not), the number of people briefed on next-gen is still very limited. Even within companies like, say, DICE, there'll be a small team of engineers who now have a rough idea of specs, and everyone else will know when they need to know. Not a lot of devs are disclosed on next-gen right now.

In other words, don't expect much in the way of substantial leakage just yet. The only thing to know for sure is that both Sony and Microsoft are aiming higher than that "10.7 teraflops" number that Google threw out last week. (And, as has been reported, Microsoft's got a few things in the works.)
I don't understand.
If they come out around Nov 2020.
How are devs going to make games for them if they don't have dev kits?
It's only 19months until Nov 2020 that is not long for developers to make games.
 

modiz

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I don't understand.
If they come out around Nov 2020.
How are devs going to make games for them if they don't have dev kits?
It's only 19months until Nov 2020 that is not long for developers to make games.
they are probably using PCs, you dont need dev kits too far away from launch as long as you have the SDK and the architecture between the two generations isnt really that different.
 

Welfare

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Be ready for a 499$ console if that's true, i highly doubt that a console 2 times more powerful than One X will cost less than that in 2020.
By 2020 the One X will be pushing down to $299. It's already $399 with a game bundled, 20 months later it'll be ~$299 if you got rid of the game. PS5 can get to $399, margins will be very short but that's normal near launch.
 
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