That's what he thought but didn't the X sort of debunk that assertion? For me 4K would have been a bigger deal next gen if it weren't for the X. Now I'm just looking forward to better frame rates with more graphical bells and whistles.
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Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
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That's what he thought but didn't the X sort of debunk that assertion? For me 4K would have been a bigger deal next gen if it weren't for the X. Now I'm just looking forward to better frame rates with more graphical bells and whistles.
Maybe 4k across the board 100%, not 4k for some titles like X1X has it, also in smaller amount like Pro too.
A 1080 is 314mm² though. Turing cards just have massive dies from the RT hardware. I feel it makes your die comparison an apples vs oranges comparison.
I never said they will use nvidia's dlss method. AMD wiill just use their own. Like freesync/gsync.
Well, it doesn't seem as if you could get more than 64 CUs in a die that size (and then you disable some for yields), so you're relying on clocks to get your performance and that has power usage implications.
The thought is they planned for Q4 2019 but have slipped, people are suggesting they launch Q1 2020 because a longer delay will not benefit them.
Good list, rubbish order ;)
Even with the X the sales gap/ratio has remained consistent. MS having the most powerful console has not made a dent in the sales gap/ratio. Therefore it's likely power matters very little.
From a personal perspective I never had some ask me 'but which console has the best version of. X game?'.
Not saying it's not a factor, just probably a lot lower on your list...brand is much bigger IMO.
Software would benefit (games or PS5 software) quite a bit.
In addition to that power will likely matter to MS next-gen and you have a minimum of 10TF for sony
Yep, it will be more than fine. When the games start coming out, folk won't be able to resist.
Some questions...
- I know native 8K is likely out, but what about checkerboard 8K? What resolution would the consoles have to render at for CB 8K to be a possibility? Like it or not 8K TVs are coming so the next gen consoles having an option to cater to that crowd isn't necessarily a bad thing. And considering how close a good quality CB implementation can get to native 4K, an 8K CB implementation would be incredibly good looking.
- Where do the current rumors stand on the whole chiplet vs. monolithic chip situation for next gen?
- Given the fact that on PC we now have wireless VR headsets and foveated rendering, do you think it'll be economically feasible for Sony to include them in PSVR 2 if they launch that in 2021 or 2022?
- I know native 8K is likely out, but what about checkerboard 8K? What resolution would the consoles have to render at for CB 8K to be a possibility? Like it or not 8K TVs are coming so the next gen consoles having an option to cater to that crowd isn't necessarily a bad thing. And considering how close a good quality CB implementation can get to native 4K, an 8K CB implementation would be incredibly good looking.
- Where do the current rumors stand on the whole chiplet vs. monolithic chip situation for next gen?
- Given the fact that on PC we now have wireless VR headsets and foveated rendering, do you think it'll be economically feasible for Sony to include them in PSVR 2 if they launch that in 2021 or 2022?
Yeah I don't buy it, they have more than enough coming to PS4 as it is that 2019 was never really a consideration. Late 2020 always made the most sense, all their big titles should be out by then and they'll have given their studios enough time to create at least teasers for what's to come.
There is a tiny, fleeting, fledgling possibility that maybe the mid gen refreshes consider doing 8k... but it's still highly unlikely.
4k tv adoption is just taking off, it'll be around the generation after PS5/XB2 that we might just possibly get to see 8k tv's just being introduced.
One of the XBox hardware planners answered that before. They could always wait for better tech like every customer does but there are always better tech so they have to settle on the specs based on their design goal. e.g. are they focusing on 4k and for how much?
Both Microsoft and Sony already decided on their spec a long time ago. Because of that, they will stick to that goal. You don't see Ryzen in the X, right?
The extra time can be used for software. It is important that is done right for launch.
Are you suggesting console production to be halted because internal team AAA cannot get 100% performance out day one?
People should always keep in mind that the number of TFlops being listed for different parts is a theoretical maximum performance mark for doing the lowest-level type of calculation a GPU can do. If you are comparing two different spec parts with equivalent architectures you can apply the TFlop rating pretty reliably to determine a performance difference. Once the architectures you are comparing begin to differ, though, that metric becomes less reliable as every step that precedes the final calculations being done by the stream processors (or equivalent) can change how efficiently that performance potential is being used. In short, different architectures can do different amounts of actual work when allocated the same number of compute resources. Since we don't know in what ways Navi may have improved efficiency when processing gaming workloads over Polaris, we can't know what the actual gaming performance of a given TFlop rating would be.
That's immaterial. 1xxx is EOL and Nvidia has committed to big die for their gaming GPUs. They'll always incur that cost and hope the RT/AI features catch on over time. What matters is what performance they can sell to gamers for profit.
Well, the re-spin made things worse in terms of timeline. The performance is good news though, yet it would launch regardless of that.
Hardware development isn't the only type of development and having additional time to get your supply and distribution chains ramped up isn't a bad thing either. You know how, at launch, consoles tend to be supply limited? Well what if they were less so? "Biggest launch sales ever" has a nice PR ring to it, no? "Simultaneous worldwide launch" is a pretty good one, too.
If you think Fable will be ready, that's well something.
If it is ready, then they are the fastest developer I've ever seen. Gears and halo are probably a lock since we've seen them.
No, I'm only saying software will benefit from the extra time. I'm not only talking about game software either.
This is a good point too. There is a lot that goes into the launch and more time can only help.
Yeah,if AMD is confident to launch Navi 10/12 in the summer,i don't see why some custom Navi 10/12 derivate can not be launched in Q4.
We'll see...
Heres hoping that the ps5 will push more than 1GHZ then
But isnt the ps5 based on navi 10? Navi 20 doesnt matter here.
The currently announced games for PS4 lineup pretty well with what the PS3 got in the year leading up to the PS4 release. They've also barely announced any major new games in the past two years and they skipped having a PSX last year and indicated that they won't be showing up at this year's E3.
Additionally, some of the upcoming games were originally planned to release earlier, such as Days Gone and Dreams. If Days Gone and Dreams had released last year as initially indicated, that would only leave Death Stranding, The Last of Us 2, and Ghosts of Tsushima for the next two years. I find it hard pretty to believe that that was the original plan. They haven't been announcing nearly as much lately and they're skipping shows where they typically make announcements, so it doesn't seem likely that they have much more to show in the way of major releases.
If dev started in 2017, 3yrs dev times is plenty, so what are you talking about.
But even without fable, halo infinite and forza would be pretty great for launch.
Gears is 2019 x1 game.
So much fan hyperbole. I cannot wait for Sony to come out swinging and continue providing great hardware, software and services. I am sure they will not disappoint and excel in many areas especially software as usual. I am also looking forward to their new controller and os.
I actually look forward to both console releases and what they will offer. A clean slate next gen will do wonders and I'm sure Microsoft will take advantage of the opportunity but we should all know Sony will not be just idoling along.
I actually look forward to both console releases and what they will offer. A clean slate next gen will do wonders and I'm sure Microsoft will take advantage of the opportunity but we should all know Sony will not be just idoling along.
3 years for what will essentially be a brand new IP in a new gen? I think your expectations are....high.
No,it is not.We have rumors for a long time now that PS5 will use some Navi 10 derivate.Latest leak from yesterday about new Sony semi custom,known as AMD Gonzalo,mentiones Navi 10 lite GPU.
Navi 20 is high end PC GPU that will arrive in 2020.
I am only assuming that you meant Sony release the PS5 in Q2 2020 or 2021. Navi will be out this year in Summer if the rumours are right. Seems unlikely that Sony couldn't start mass production at the beginning of this year if Navi, a PS5 byproduct(rumor too) is ready for production. If Sony's supply/distribution chain can't get ready in one year, they will never be ready.
OS features? Sony didn't mind for the PS3 and PS4 during launch day. Network? Already established.
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For the leaked part, no, but we already knew that was Navi 10. We could reasonably guess it wasn't more than 64CUs based on the price and TDP already leaked ($250, 150W). It would be quite a stretch to imagine half the power and more CUs than Vega.
Even if Dreams and Days Gone had come out last year I'd still see the same trajectory as I do now. I don't see them wanting to release a PS5 this year when they have 3 major titles still to drop on PS4.
At the very least I feel they'd want to get TLOU2 out before PS5 hits, and that is coming out at the very earliest Summer 2020.
It's not like Microsoft is in any different position, for the rest of the current gen their major games are Halo & Gears, yet there's no rumblings of a 2019 Scarlet release from them.
I think late 2020 was the goal all along, it just lines up too well with everything.
Yeah man, Sony have clever engineers they will put together powerful hardware at reasonable price.
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Dude....just stop.
It was stated there would be "no benefit" to launching later. There are, so that was an incorrect statement. The calculation on Sony's side would be, "Would the benefits of launching later exceed the benefits of launching earlier?" Given that recent precendant has been to launch in primary territories in fall, I'd say the burden of proof lies on showing why the planning for this gen would be different than the last two (plus the mid-gen in between) for both Sony and MS. The last three if you only consider the US.
PC. When Navi gets the sweet spot of price/performance and Intel start loosing more
PC market share.
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