I have no doubt at all, Sony is doing a great job to prevent leaks. Maybe GDC...
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Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
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AMD's CFO comments are also critical here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/c...nts_at_2018_deutsche/?st=JQPQBYAM&sh=863b7433
I was thinking of maybe picking up an xbox one x but if the new console is basically confirmed to have backwards compatibility, I'm better off waiting!
As everything is still speculations at this point but if PS5 is 100% back compat with PS4 games then next gen is already decided with how big the user base for PS4 is.
How many will want to start their game library over by jumping to Xbox?
How many will want to start their game library over by jumping to Xbox?
People that want more than one system maybe ? Also if MS get the games right, which they seem to be in the process of course correction, buying studio's ect, they could offer far better competition next gen.
They already have already shown they aren't messing around when it comes to hardware and services / features (X, GamePass and back compat)
Sony are going into next gen very strong but MS look set to be far more competitive. If they have the games, I'll certainly consider another Xbox, even though PS5 will be my main console.
So they are gonna be identical? What's the point of making it with PS5 in mind if someone else can use it too? Or is each company just doing their modifications on it?
I own both systems was not taking shots at Xbox or anything as I love my Xbox One X.
But a lot of people out there only get one current console and those people will probably pick whatever their current platform of choice is now.
In US and UK,yes.
But with full BC,ecosystem lock in will be very,very powerful tool going forward.
They won't be identical because of clock speed, CU and custom IP differences.
No worries. Tbh this is the first gen I've not picked up an Xbox. I still own my OG Xbox and 360, which I loved but Xbox One didn't do anything for me, under powered, over priced and the exclusives weren't for me.
The X would be something I might have picked up if next gen wasn't so close. With all the moves MS have been making recently, I'm very interested in jumping back in on Xbox though, as a 2nd home console, providing the games are there anyway.
Yeah,unless next gen consoles use ray tracing i can't really see this tech going anywhere anytime soon with PC only by Nvidia.
It would be cool if Sony/MS were these partners but going by a developer comment not that long ago it doesn't seem like consoles will have notable RT capabilities next gen.
Then again Polyphony Digital recently showed a sample of their real-time RT rendered GT car...
I wish I could believe.
Ray tracing is a dead end. ML based lighting will blow away RT for a fraction of the compute power required and would be infinitely more scalable.
Cool. Can you link some examples of ML/AI used in lighting engines?
I feel like this is or will be relevant
https://www.amd.com/en/press-releas...ortfolio-new-ryzen-athlon-and-a?sf205474737=1
https://www.amd.com/en/press-releas...ortfolio-new-ryzen-athlon-and-a?sf205474737=1
If my calculations are correct Radeon 7 has 12.96tflops but has about 25 - 30% more performance then vega 64?
Also if Radeon 7 with 16gb is $699 now, how are next gen going to be priced only 23months away?
Also if Radeon 7 with 16gb is $699 now, how are next gen going to be priced only 23months away?
They won't be based on Vega and I doubt they utilize HBM. I wouldn't look at the Radeon 7 as a sign of anything other than AMD is getting their 7nm process dialed in.
Double the ROPs, and over double the memory bandwidth. Both were suggested as holding Vega back on Vega 64. With over 1TB/s, it can read it's entire memory 60 times a second (credit Tim Sweeney on that observation).
Navi should be even more performance per mm^2.
The 4 stacks of HBM2 could be up to half of the cost of the card. Also, it's priced at $699 because it's direct competitor RTX 2080 retails for $699 these days.
What do you mean? Those are 12nm right?
What does he mean by respin?
Ahh I see,thanks.I was unsure on the memory being used in the Rad7.
I'm guessing, it needed a new approach.
Respin in that context means restarted, I think.
They started the Navi project, got the wheel spinning so to say.
But they needed to stop and start again.
It suggests they ran in major issues.
A respin is a design revision. It's hard to know the extent of the changes, but it sounds more significant than what you would call a metal mask change, where the base features stay the same and you just change how some things are connected or whether they're enabled or disabled.
Isn't it
60 x 60 = 3600
3600 x 2 = 7200
7200 x 1800 = 12,960,000
12,960,000 ÷ 1million =12.96 tflops
You get a lot more performance per watt if you don't run the silicon to its limit.
The trade is 1/2 power for the same performance or 1.25x performance for the same power.
This is somewhat borne out by the Zen 2 performance demo. Zen 2 does the same score as 9900K in cinebench in 75W vs. 125W. But the 1/2 power number is directly from AMD, as is the 1.25x.
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Im seeing more and more people believing in Fall 2019 launches so I can't not think that the current consoles NEED a price drop, because they still cost too much. The One X is 500 and the Pro 400, how can they announce a new console when the 'old' one still cost the normal price of a launch console?
Even if the consoles are coming in 2020 (which is what I believe), when do you guys expect a price drop? I got my PS4 fat 2 months before the slim was announced so, even though I really enjoyed my PS4 during those 2 months a lot, I can't not think that maybe I could have waited a bit longer for the purchase...
I'd expect Sony doing a big sale on E3, those great PSVR bundles and 100 discount in all PS4s, and after that maybe drop 50 on all SKUs? Pro would be 350 and Slim 250, so they would "have space" for a 400-500 PS5.
Even if the consoles are coming in 2020 (which is what I believe), when do you guys expect a price drop? I got my PS4 fat 2 months before the slim was announced so, even though I really enjoyed my PS4 during those 2 months a lot, I can't not think that maybe I could have waited a bit longer for the purchase...
I'd expect Sony doing a big sale on E3, those great PSVR bundles and 100 discount in all PS4s, and after that maybe drop 50 on all SKUs? Pro would be 350 and Slim 250, so they would "have space" for a 400-500 PS5.
Sure but if MS keep adding value to game pass, release great hardware, and release top tier games then people will buy in. I'm not saying ecosystem doesn't matter but if MS kills it, the world outside of US and UK would be stupid to ignore.
Nope.
Check the official MI60 specs page
Individual listed specs are:
GPU clock - 1800 MHz
# of CUs - 64
TFLOPS - 14.7
1800 * 64 * 128 = 14.74TFlops
See? It checks out. Test it out on any other Radeon's specs you want.
This is where I'm at as well. I'm a multi-console gamer, if Microsoft brings the goods then I'm in but I'll wait a year or two this time around.
It was stated as 60cus in the conference,
Plus df's formula checks out on the vega 64, as shown on the video I linked.
That is fair, but die size is finite and limits how wide they go, Navi has to be big leap to approach 11+ TF
Navi should be smaller than the 331mm^2 of Vega assuming it lacks INT4/8, half rate double precision and the huge memory bus.
AMD admitted compute and gaming GPUs could diverge, as they did with Nvidia. Though Turing is kind of a merger back into one.
Maybe it grows compared to Vega though. We'll see, but they should have more flexibility if it's a chiplet.
I am not showing you Radeon 7. I am showing you MI60, which has 64 CUs. Did you even click on the link?
You didn't use the right formula. You might be assuming that when calculating Vega 64 the first step is 64 * 64 CUs. It is not. It is 64CUs * 64 SPs per CU, so when you are using 60 X 60 for Radeon 7, that's why you're getting the wrong value. Instead of 60 * 60 you should be doing 60 * 64. I'm just combining a couple of steps (the *64 and the * 2 into one step with the *128).
The full formula is XX CUs * 64 SPs per CU * 2 Flops per SP * XXXX MHz GPU clock. The 64 and 2 will be constant for any AMD GCN GPU
I'm also interested in if a price drop will occur and if we'll get "super slim" consoles this time around.
So an estimated 300W TDP for Radeon 7 and an estimated 13.8 tflops and it competes with a 2080 with no RTX what a fucking joke. AMD Vega is a very disappointing architecture.
Best pray Navi architecture improves perf per watt otherwise i'm still going for 10 tflops minimum for PS5 anything more will be icing on the cake.
Best pray Navi architecture improves perf per watt otherwise i'm still going for 10 tflops minimum for PS5 anything more will be icing on the cake.
I believe that we will get CPU performance level of one of those mobile CPUs for the next console or a very similar spec'd CPU.
Yes, OK.
But radeon 7 has 60cus, so it won't be the same as the MI60.
So it's 60x64 x 2= 7680
7680 x 1800 = 13824000 ÷ 1million
=13.82tflops?
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Remember when sources said that Sony was in deep with Navi and insinuated that design goals had changed at some point which delayed things?
No. Those are 12nm parts with integrated graphics under the 35-55W budget consoles will likely have for the CPU.
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