I have no doubt at all, Sony is doing a great job to prevent leaks. Maybe GDC...Is there any doubt whatsoever that PS5 will be anything else then 100% AMD...? I don't think so.
I have no doubt at all, Sony is doing a great job to prevent leaks. Maybe GDC...Is there any doubt whatsoever that PS5 will be anything else then 100% AMD...? I don't think so.
AMD's CFO comments are also critical here:To loosely quote her: "We're working with both Sony and Microsoft and they both have their own secret sauce that we're helping them do."
Semicustom (consoles):
Q: That provided a ton of great revenue; whether it was the Sony side, the Microsoft side; now you have a Chinese game counsel builder as well; but great revenues to allow you to have the operating and earnings to invest in these other areas. But how do you think about the semicustom, going forward. Is that something that should be declining over time as this generation of counsels has peaked out? Or are you optimistic that there is going to be refreshes and/or new versions of semicustom opportunities?
A: We like the semicustom model a lot. Semicustom model is one of those; as you observe the game consoles, you win the designs; some of the engine and the expenses gets depraved by the input from the customers; we go ahead and get the chip out; and after that, it's a mutually exclusive deal where you can predict revenue. Going back to 2012, 2013 timeframes, we've had predictably somewhere between $1.5 billion to $2 billion of revenues coming from the game console business, both Sony and Microsoft and that has allowed us to invest in exactly the roadmap that is delivering right now. We like that business a lot. We are competing for the next generation product. But Sony and Microsoft have to make their decisions and then taken we'll take it from there. But we like it a lot from an overall standpoint.
As everything is still speculations at this point but if PS5 is 100% back compat with PS4 games then next gen is already decided with how big the user base for PS4 is.
How many will want to start their game library over by jumping to Xbox?
As everything is still speculations at this point but if PS5 is 100% back compat with PS4 games then next gen is already decided with how big the user base for PS4 is.
How many will want to start their game library over by jumping to Xbox?
So they are gonna be identical? What's the point of making it with PS5 in mind if someone else can use it too? Or is each company just doing their modifications on it?
People that want more than one system maybe ? Also if MS get the games right, which they seem to be in the process of course correction, buying studio's ect, they could offer far better competition next gen.
They already have already shown they aren't messing around when it comes to hardware and services / features (X, GamePass and back compat)
Sony are going into next gen very strong but MS look set to be far more competitive. If they have the games, I'll certainly consider another Xbox, even though PS5 will be my main console.
So they are gonna be identical? What's the point of making it with PS5 in mind if someone else can use it too? Or is each company just doing their modifications on it?
I think ray tracing is an important technology, and it's something we're working on as well, both from a hardware and software standpoint," Su said. "The most important thing, and that's why we talk so much about the development community, is technology for technology's sake is okay, but technology done together with partners who are fully engaged is really important.
I own both systems was not taking shots at Xbox or anything as I love my Xbox One X.
But a lot of people out there only get one current console and those people will probably pick whatever their current platform of choice is now.
Cool. Can you link some examples of ML/AI used in lighting engines?Ray tracing is a dead end. ML based lighting will blow away RT for a fraction of the compute power required and would be infinitely more scalable.
Cool. Can you link some examples of ML/AI used in lighting engines?
That's not lighting.
If my calculations are correct Radeon 7 has 12.96tflops but has about 25 - 30% more performance then vega 64?
Also if Radeon 7 with 16gb is $699 now, how are next gen going to be priced only 23months away?
If my calculations are correct Radeon 7 has 12.96tflops but has about 25 - 30% more performance then vega 64?
Also if Radeon 7 with 16gb is $699 now, how are next gen going to be priced only 23months away?
I feel like this is or will be relevant
https://www.amd.com/en/press-releas...ortfolio-new-ryzen-athlon-and-a?sf205474737=1
They won't be based on Vega and I doubt they utilize HBM. I wouldn't look at the Radeon 7 as a sign of anything other than AMD is getting their 7nm process dialed in.
Double the ROPs, and over double the memory bandwidth. Both were suggested as holding Vega back on Vega 64. With over 1TB/s, it can read it's entire memory 60 times a second (credit Tim Sweeney on that observation).
Navi should be even more performance per mm^2.
The 4 stacks of HBM2 could be up to half of the cost of the card. Also, it's priced at $699 because it's direct competitor RTX 2080 retails for $699 these days.
If my calculations are correct Radeon 7 has 12.96tflops but has about 25 - 30% more performance then vega 64?
Also if Radeon 7 with 16gb is $699 now, how are next gen going to be priced only 23months away?
What do you mean? Those are 12nm right?
What does he mean by respin?
What do you mean? Those are 12nm right?
What does he mean by respin?
What do you mean? Those are 12nm right?
What does he mean by respin?
Isn't it
You forgot to carry the 2Isn't it
60 x 60 = 3600
3600 x 2 = 7200
7200 x 1800 = 12,960,000
12,960,000 ÷ 1million =12.96 tflops
So if 7 nm Vega gets 13.5TF at 300 Watts, we are going need to see a lot of efficiency improvements in Navi to get anywhere close to what people are predicting for next gen.
Sure but if MS keep adding value to game pass, release great hardware, and release top tier games then people will buy in. I'm not saying ecosystem doesn't matter but if MS kills it, the world outside of US and UK would be stupid to ignore.In US and UK,yes.
But with full BC,ecosystem lock in will be very,very powerful tool going forward.
Isn't it
60 x 60 = 3600
3600 x 2 = 7200
7200 x 1800 = 12,960,000
12,960,000 ÷ 1million =12.96 tflops
People that want more than one system maybe ? Also if MS get the games right, which they seem to be in the process of course correction, buying studio's ect, they could offer far better competition next gen.
They already have already shown they aren't messing around when it comes to hardware and services / features (X, GamePass and back compat)
Sony are going into next gen very strong but MS look set to be far more competitive. If they have the games, I'll certainly consider another Xbox, even though PS5 will be my main console.
Nope.
Check the official MI60 specs page
Individual listed specs are:
GPU clock - 1800 MHz
# of CUs - 64
TFLOPS - 14.7
1800 * 64 * 128 = 14.74TFlops
See? It checks out. Test it out on any other Radeon's specs you want.
You get a lot more performance per watt if you don't run the silicon to its limit.
The trade is 1/2 power for the same performance or 1.25x performance for the same power.
Navi should be smaller than the 331mm^2 of Vega assuming it lacks INT4/8, half rate double precision and the huge memory bus.That is fair, but die size is finite and limits how wide they go, Navi has to be big leap to approach 11+ TF
It was stated as 60cus in the conference,
Plus df's formula checks out on the vega 64, as shown on the video I linked.
I'm also interested in if a price drop will occur and if we'll get "super slim" consoles this time around.Im seeing more and more people believing in Fall 2019 launches so I can't not think that the current consoles NEED a price drop, because they still cost too much. The One X is 500 and the Pro 400, how can they announce a new console when the 'old' one still cost the normal price of a launch console?
Even if the consoles are coming in 2020 (which is what I believe), when do you guys expect a price drop? I got my PS4 fat 2 months before the slim was announced so, even though I really enjoyed my PS4 during those 2 months a lot, I can't not think that maybe I could have waited a bit longer for the purchase...
I'd expect Sony doing a big sale on E3, those great PSVR bundles and 100 discount in all PS4s, and after that maybe drop 50 on all SKUs? Pro would be 350 and Slim 250, so they would "have space" for a 400-500 PS5.
I believe that we will get CPU performance level of one of those mobile CPUs for the next console or a very similar spec'd CPU.What do you mean? Those are 12nm right?
What does he mean by respin?
I am not showing you Radeon 7. I am showing you MI60, which has 64 CUs. Did you even click on the link?
You didn't use the right formula. You might be assuming that when calculating Vega 64 the first step is 64 * 64 CUs. It is not. It is 64CUs * 64 SPs per CU, so when you are using 60 X 60 for Radeon 7, that's why you're getting the wrong value. Instead of 60 * 60 you should be doing 60 * 64. I'm just combining a couple of steps (the *64 and the * 2 into one step with the *128).
The full formula is XX CUs * 64 SPs per CU * 2 Flops per SP * XXXX MHz GPU clock. The 64 and 2 will be constant for any AMD GCN GPU
A respin is a design revision. It's hard to know the extent of the changes, but it sounds more significant than what you would call a metal mask change, where the base features stay the same and you just change how some things are connected or whether they're enabled or disabled.
No. Those are 12nm parts with integrated graphics under the 35-55W budget consoles will likely have for the CPU.I believe that we will get CPU performance level of one of those mobile CPUs for the next console or a very similar spec'd CPU.