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Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
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No, you didn't. I just did not know ;)
A mix of both HBM2 and DDR4 makes no sense. Because you would also have the downside of both technologies combined.
You use HMB2 for bandwidth and power efficiency and to reduce die size, because no memory interface is needed.
In this case you still would need the 256bit memory interface for DDR4 ram on your SOC or IO chiplet and your HMB2 is low bandwidth.
But IF Sony is doing a chiplet design, this makes a little bit more sense and is not 100% unrealistic anymore. Just 95%.
But as a silicon nerd, I would love this to be true. Just because Sony and Microsoft would be sooo different
You use HMB2 for bandwidth and power efficiency and to reduce die size, because no memory interface is needed.
In this case you still would need the 256bit memory interface for DDR4 ram on your SOC or IO chiplet and your HMB2 is low bandwidth.
But IF Sony is doing a chiplet design, this makes a little bit more sense and is not 100% unrealistic anymore. Just 95%.
But as a silicon nerd, I would love this to be true. Just because Sony and Microsoft would be sooo different
Can you give a bit more explanation ? What was the 128mb edram for ? What was the result ?
Basically same idea.
Almost same GPU but 6200 has 128mb of eDRAM cache: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Iris-Graphics-6100-vs-Iris-Pro-Graphics-6200_5945_5947.247598.0.html
Well its 8GB HBM and 16GB DDR4 (of which 4GB is reserved for OS). Would really like to know how much feasible this is though.
Well, considering thats faster than nearly every PC DDR4 solution currently (with exception to 6 channel DDR4 configurations and 4 channel of the most expensive PC DDR4) I would say whatever it is its good enough.
Eh, I think they will still have the same foundations, so it won't be too much of a bother.
That is the feeling I get anyway.
Basically not the same idea. The eDRAM is on the same die/silicon and the memory is connected on die. HBM2 instead is on a different die that you need to interconnect with the SOC via extra layer of silicon called Interposer. The interposer is so to say an Autobahn which provides all the lanes between the SOC and the memory. SOCs with HBM2 memory are stacked chips (2.5 Stacking).
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With the new leaks from everywhere seems Sony has gone with a very capable system for ps5 hence I believe 499.last leak said it is 499 with 100 loss for Sony and most leaks point to Sony going all out on the hardware .
A 12 tf machine with Navi and ryzen 2 and hbm2 and SSD mixed with HDD .I say easily 499
Is there a reason these games don't support Vision on console though?
Could it's use be more widespread with next gen?
That's the million dollar question isn't it ;)
Leaks are either true or they aren't so we can't use them really
Edit: Of course if it's 12TF with SSD and hbm2 should be $499 but I don't think it will be that powerful
A $399 PS5 won't be powerful unless they are taking a $100+ loss.
Yes .last leak said 499 and even then Sony is taking 100$ loss .and every leak suggests it's very capable machine .that's why I m going with 499.too much smoke hence the fire ;)
Yes I can see it being $499 and selfishly I hope it is, but realistically I think Sony will go for $399.
If we knew the price we would be able to more or less guess the specs and the other way around, so we basically been waiting months and even years for that piece of info ha ha
Wired - PS5 first details by Sony and Mark Cerny themselves
https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/
Interview with Cerny regarding PS5. Playstation just tweeted out the link.
It supports raytracing! "PlayStation's next-generation console ticks all those boxes, starting with an AMD chip at the heart of the device. (Warning: some alphabet soup follows.) The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD's Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company's new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture. The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon's Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments."
And it's got an SSD! And 8K support.
Interview with Cerny regarding PS5. Playstation just tweeted out the link.
It supports raytracing! "PlayStation's next-generation console ticks all those boxes, starting with an AMD chip at the heart of the device. (Warning: some alphabet soup follows.) The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD's Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company's new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture. The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon's Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments."
And it's got an SSD! And 8K support.
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I think the reason that there is no DV support in games that it's not free for use. There is a fee to pay for using Dolby Vision unlike HDR10 that is open source.
Those are distinct heterogeneous memory pools (eDRAM for GPU, DDR4 for CPU). I don't know why you call them transparent?
cerny confirmed no 2019 launch for PS5. 2019 team finally dead??? :D
This memory scheme sounds like a nightmare and the antithesis of the PS4. Where does the DDR4 controller sit? How much control do devs have over HBM? If you're making them manage it, have you failed?
First I thought you were joking abiout but after so many leaks and anctipating analyses of techs, the chances the PS5 (and the high version of XBox) will support ray-tracing are greater than the chances they won't. In fact RT is considered the new trend and no way the big console manufacturers will overlook it and call their consoles next-gen without it.
Edit: Cerny talks about RT. This kinda confirms it. :D
Thanks for sharing and for the heads up!
Finally some information about the PS5. SSD and RT confirmed. Shares architecture principled of the PS4. That leak we talked about the last 3 pages already debunked by that.
Who'd have thought the biggest info 'leak' would have come from Cerny himself?! :)
We've been working on this story for a year and they just ... tweeted it out
if true? he is the lead designer of PS5. cant get anymore true than that haha
This was unexpected! Interview about PS5?!? What's going on Colbert?!? :)
someone inform VHX1 . last time i told him its not 2019 a mod banned me weirdly saying i antagonized him haha
Well thank God we have a global idea of how the PS5 will be. No way the PS5 gonna be scamped. From what we got HDMI 2.1 is a full one supporting 8K sets and with RT this confirms the GPU is not a lesser one too, maybe like the leaks said, extra RT hardware is added like the NVidia Rt cores.
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