yeah, think that's coming.
Sony has a deep learning network, but I'm not sure if the ICE team is adopting it for their next gen console (I'm sure they will)
Although even so I wont be surprised if they're behind compared to MS and Nvidia.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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yeah, think that's coming.
Sony has a deep learning network, but I'm not sure if the ICE team is adopting it for their next gen console (I'm sure they will)
Although even so I wont be surprised if they're behind compared to MS and Nvidia.
Although it has to be said that Playstation's first party MLAA solution is... quite great at reducing aliasing already, since HZD.
It's interesting, but not very temporally stable. If you watch the demo, particularly the zoomed in image, while it's mostly very sharp, it sometimes inexplicably becomes very blurry.
In general though, I think DL and temporal reconstruction techniques are very promising and where things are going. Native 4k resolution isn't going to be very popular next-gen -- because there's very little reason to spend so much of the performance budget on native res.
That was when he was flipping back and forth between regular updating and ML.
No there was a point when it was ML throughout and it would still become blurry for a moment and then clear up.
Yeah, even DLSS has that problem. Im sure with more time the implementation will be great though.
Yep. I would expect ML implementations to be greatly improved over the next 3-5 years as they become more and more widely used.
Wouldn't reconstruction image or CB free the GPU like a LOT to do better graphics overall?
There is no doubt that next consoles will be able to deliver Native 4K image with great graphics, But at the same time they can achieve amazing insane graphics by using these techniques since it frees up the GPU to do so right??
I would go for insane mode.
There is no doubt that next consoles will be able to deliver Native 4K image with great graphics, But at the same time they can achieve amazing insane graphics by using these techniques since it frees up the GPU to do so right??
I would go for insane mode.
Yes, gives way for about 40% more GPU resources to do other things. I think "Insane mode" will be the better option for AAA titles as well.
Nifty, thanks!
Do you know how they normally provide info to their investors? Conference call? Written report? Video?
40%
That's a lot of resources to focus on delivering an amazing game.
Whether that Graphics, Lightning, enemies, And maybe AI etc.
Btw,is that "Navi 2nd part" by AdoredTV supposed to be out today?
Supposed to be. Then again it was supposed to be out yesterday and he said he was running behind schedule. I guess it all depends on whether everything comes together today for it to be completed.
Variable rate shading should allow devs to target a higher native resolution while leaving more resources to do other things with the image quality. It'll likely be used in conjunction with CB and dynamic res but I'm sure some devs will use it pretty heavily to hit native 4K while getting back time to really push the image quality.
Indeed. May 21, 2019 [Tue] 12:30-17:30 (JST).
https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/irday/index.html
He said he was having problems rendering the video on his Twitter.
The funny thing is, they would actually have the same number of natively rendered pixels each second. The former would then offer additional extrapolated pixels, a much smoother image, and more responsiveness. So yeah, 100% agreed.
There are. Mostly simple titles, including the ZOE2 and KH remasters. There's also TLOU Remastered with a native 4K30 mode.
Yeah I think Jim has had issues uploading going by his Twitter.
That's it. Was it unusual for Sony to make that announcement at their financial results meeting?
I only own a Pro. But strictly looking at certain games - Uncharted 4 vs. Horizon. vs. God of War vs. Days Gone, etc...all of these titles have various forms of resolution, and to me they all look SHARP ENOUGH.
That's not to say that true 4K won't get you a better image, it will. I just DO NOT THINK the tradeoffs are worth it.
Which is where we have a very big problem with Lockhart. If devs put 12TF towards a 1440P image with insane graphics, where does that put
Lockhart at only 4-6 TF?
Less than 900p? I doubt that's going to be acceptable.
And all the sports games I think.
Wipeout is also 4k/60/hdr if you turn motion blur off. With it on its checkerboard 4k
So,what do we expect to be "Navi bad news" BitsandBytes ? Power consumption...poor reference cooling...increased pricing,i suppose?
I think people gotta accept that if you're going to pay $299 for a next-gen console, you're going to get a $299 next-gen console. Sub-1080p was acceptable for several games this gen.
AdoredTV - Analysing Navi part 2
Klobrille and I talked about this before (not in this thread) amongst others (specifically super resolution) ...information about it has been out for some time.
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They can use it ...but I'll never say that cbr or whatever is better than a native resolution
From my side I hope that Anaconda will be enough powerful to be native 4k and push for graphics .... Lockhart will certainly use reconstruction
Even if they are plenty powerful to do Native, they can achieve more and more and more by choosing these techniques. Like many have said, it frees up 40% of the GPU resources which can be used to achieve even better looking games.
Looks like the wheels have fallen off Navi....His sources telling him its a power hog and the engineers can't wait to get it out the door!?
Gotta wonder if that was all true why Sony and Microsoft would choose it for consoles?
Probably the same reason they chose jaguar. Not much choice.
-Navi horror stories
-Navi cant match Vega 20 clocks
-Clock target met but thermals and power are bad
- Disregard faith in Navi, the engineers cant wait to be done with it
Yeah,just saw it.Horrible news.We can kiss goodbye that 1.8GHz GPU clock in Gonzalo,that's out of question now.
Its always possible his sources are wrong, but this doesnt look good for next gen at all.
This should be put in threadmarks i think.
Very disappointing but expected i guess Colbert , anexanhume.
He also said something like Navi is "fundamentally flawed" design...
Pack it up everyone. You're not getting over 8Tflops. Be glad you're even getting over 6Tflops.
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