Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE

Overall maximum teraflops for next-gen launch consoles?

  • 8 teraflops

    Votes: 43 1.9%
  • 9 teraflops

    Votes: 56 2.4%
  • 12 teraflops

    Votes: 978 42.5%
  • 14 teraflops

    Votes: 525 22.8%
  • Team ALL THE WAY UP +14 teraflops

    Votes: 491 21.3%
  • 10 teraflops (because for some reason I put 9 instead of 10)

    Votes: 208 9.0%

  • Total voters
    2,301
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AegonSnake

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Yeah, aggressive replies - like tales from you arse or something. Not normal replies. I'm not suggesting to stop replying to each other. How you in the whole world came to that conclusion, LOL!!

You don't need clarification for a SPECULATION unless if you're not insider and have some reliable info. LOL. WTF are you talking about. He gave his own speculation like you or like any others here. It's speculation.

You speculated that PS5 will be more powerful than Anaconda, didn't ya? So, i want some clarification/ document on that. Otherwise, you'll be reported. Fair enough?
this is incredibly silly. whenever i make a speculation and people reply to me, i dont get butthurt over them not agreeing with me. i lay out my reasoning and we go from there.

what you are suggesting is that no one reply to any person speculating in a speculation thread. So in your ideal thread, people will simply make drive by posts that look like this.

Locheart 10 tflops
PS5 12 tflops
Anaconda 24 tflops

repeated 50 posts per page. no one is allowed to talk about them in your reality. no one is allowed to ask just why the hell you think anaconda would be 10 tflops more than the ps5 at the same pricepoint.

that would turn this thread into a shitty gamefaq poll thread. who wants that?
 

i-Lo

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Oct 31, 2017
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GUNDAM STARDUST Indeed but offering options that alleviate issues of additional expenses ought to be considered too.

Not going to mince words but it's grim when consumers push back against additional options in favour of multi-billion dollar corporations.
 

disco_potato

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So we probably will not have any information on Navi at the Computex the 27 May..
I don't think AMD are going to be quiet about NAVI at the biggest PC convention of the year just to make a big bang at a gaming event.

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Maybe they are. Seems Computex will be mostly CPU centric for AMD.
 
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what you are suggesting is that no one reply to any person speculating in a speculation thread. So in your ideal thread, people will simply make drive by posts that look like this.
Lol. I'd never suggested that. Don't twist my words. What i really meant that it's not OK to attack others just because their own speculation, no matter how realistic it was or not. I think NO ONE gave him a normal reply. It was like: "troll, "tales from your arse, tales from your arse 2.0, "deluded fanboy" and so on. That's the point.

Cheaper and more powerful console is a realistic option and it can happen. It happened in 2013.
 

cyrribrae

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I don't care about internal swap of storage. It has been a nonfactor when external support is even easier and faster, and allows a simplified design. That's especially true if we are getting solutions that outpace what a normal consumer would reasonably purchase or cobble together on their own. If Cerny is to be believed, and his SSD is better than my SSD.. how do I benefit from internal swap? At that point, there is 0 benefit over doing it externally.
 

Bradbatross

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Lol. I'd never suggested that. Don't twist my words. What i really meant that it's not OK to attack others just because their own speculation, no matter how realistic it was or not. I think NO ONE gave him a normal reply. It was like: "troll, "tales from your arse, tales from your arse 2.0." That's the point.

Cheaper and more powerful console is a realistic option and it can happen. It happened in 2013.
So you think it's realistic to think that MS is going to bundle in a $150 peripheral with every Xbox again?
 

Florin4k4

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More new 4chan leaks for few that might be interested:
Again take with grain of salt as with any rumor:

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Currently a technical artist at 3rd party studio that has just finally received both kits. OP is not lying. PS5 has near final silicon in the towers. The low speed version previously lacked the newest PCI-E buses to enable the fastest possible reading for the SSD. Xbox Two? is still using Zen 1 and Vega 64 clocked to 1400mhz.

So far PS5 is smoking the Xbox alpha kits, but maybe the next version of Xbox kits will fare better. Though my dev friend told me that docs said the dev kits should be close to the final power envelope.

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I Find this hard to believe. If the PS5 is $399 then a $499 Xbox (that costs 25% more) should be around 25% faster (25% more TF) otherwise the price difference wouldn’t make much sense.
If they are the same price then performance should be similar. I doubt MS is doing anything like the Kinect so the HW is going to be very similar. Don’t see how the PS5 can “smoke” the Xbox unless it is the one that is $100 more.
 

modiz

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Oct 8, 2018
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6 days until Sony addresses their investors about their streaming plans. Curious to see what tidbits we can get from it.
that is not even the most important thing we will get from IR day. they will talk about their strategy for the next few years.
considering the PS5 has been announced its possible that they will give us some more insight into next gen release.
 

AegonSnake

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lol. I'd never suggested that. Don't twist my words. What i really meant that it's not OK to attack others just because their own speculation, no matter how realistic it was or not. I think NO ONE gave him a normal reply. It was like: "troll, "tales from your arse, tales from your arse 2.0, "deluded fanboy" and so on. That's the point.

Cheaper and more powerful console is a realistic option and it can happen. It happened in 2013.
i was one of the ones who replied to him. its wrong to say that everyone called him a fanboy or troll or whatever. but i do agree that we shouldnt be calling everyone trolls just because we disagree with them. sadly it happens a lot on era and mods typically dont do anything about it.

cheaper and more powerful console happened last gen because of kinect which added an extra $100 dollars to the price. MS simply wont make the same mistake again.

If anything, Sony adding VR breaker box into the PS5 mobo will add more to the cost where as MS has long given up on kinect and vr. But hey, since we are discussing speculation, i think the 8GBHBM2+16GBDDR4 should save them some cash. They are supposedly manufacturing their own custom SSDs, and im pretty sure they still manufactuer 4k uhd drives. So yes, its possible that it could be cheaper. But a $100 cheaper? i doubt it. i think $449 PS5 at 12 tflops is possible, but i highly doubt MS will be $499 and 11 tflops.
 

Bradbatross

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Lol. I'd never suggested that. Don't twist my words. What i really meant that it's not OK to attack others just because their own speculation, no matter how realistic it was or not. I think NO ONE gave him a normal reply. It was like: "troll, "tales from your arse, tales from your arse 2.0, "deluded fanboy" and so on. That's the point.

Cheaper and more powerful console is a realistic option and it can happen. It happened in 2013.
The guy admitted to trolling... That's why he's being called a troll. He's trying to get a rise out of people.
 

Bloodcore

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Mar 24, 2018
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We will be disappointed at Computex. I think there will be no specs information on Navi at computex ...
My guess is that they'll show it running a game and talk about how smooth it runs.
Maybe mention a couple of new technologies being implemented such as 7nm and software improvements.

Maybe they'll let us see the Navi 10 die, however I doubt we'll see any spec numbers.
 

Gamer17

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Oct 30, 2017
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The guy admitted to trolling... That's why he's being called a troll. He's trying to get a rise out of people.
He didn't admit to trolling .after everyone called him a clown and called him 100 names , he said I m gonna poke hornest nest with my prediction and continued with explaining his position. Or something to that effect due to being overwhelmed and attacked like he was .
 

Flutter

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Oct 25, 2017
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He didn't admit to trolling .after everyone called him a clown and called him 100 names , he said I m gonna poke hornest nest with my prediction and continued with explaining his position. Or something to that effect due to being overwhelmed and attacked like he was .
Yeah the attacks were too much. It's fine to disprove, but some here think that ridiculing is the same thing.
 

Jaypah

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Oct 27, 2017
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He didn't admit to trolling .after everyone called him a clown and called him 100 names , he said I m gonna poke hornest nest with my prediction and continued with explaining his position. Or something to that effect due to being overwhelmed and attacked like he was .
Nope. Someone said his post sounded like that of a fanboy and he responded "I'm on lunch. I like to poke the hornet's nest". In other words "I'm bored and trolling". It's your right to defend him but his intention seemed clear enough.
 

Bradbatross

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He didn't admit to trolling .after everyone called him a clown and called him 100 names , he said I m gonna poke hornest nest with my prediction and continued with explaining his position. Or something to that effect due to being overwhelmed and attacked like he was .
No, he said he enjoyed poking the hornet's nest. Saying something controversial with the hopes of getting a rise out of people is the definition of trolling.
 

bcatwilly

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Oct 27, 2017
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Obviously this is a speculation thread by title, so people are free to "speculate" however they choose. But applying a little bit of common sense isn't a bad idea either when addressing 4chan crap or any take on things. For example, a 4chan "leak" saying that a next gen Xbox dev kit is just using Zen 1 and Vega should have some common sense applied. None of us know at this point ultimately what is coming out and how they may be measured by us and others relative to "performance", but Phil Spencer didn't talk last E3 about Microsoft being deep into the architecture of the next gen consoles and wanting to set a benchmark for console gaming to just put in whatever older stuff AMD had lying around in the warehouse and cross their fingers and toes that Sony didn't even decide to release a PS5 at all (which has already been publicly confirmed by them to have the "expected" components involved in Zen 2 and Navi).
 
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GUNDAM STARDUST Indeed but offering options that alleviate issues of additional expenses ought to be considered too.

Not going to mince words but it's grim when consumers push back against additional options in favour of multi-billion dollar corporations.
I don't think that's fair. Being able to add an external drive was a win for consumers and XBOX and later Sony added that feature in the middle of this gen. Anti consumer would be proprietary memory like we had with the Vita, and the 360 hard drive.
 

Jaypah

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Obviously this is a speculation thread by title, so people are free to "speculate" however they choose. But applying a little bit of common sense isn't a bad idea either when addressing 4chan crap or any take on things. For example, a 4chan "leak" saying that a next gen Xbox dev kit is just using Zen 1 and Vega should have some common sense applied. None of us know at this point ultimately what is coming out and how they may be measured by us and others relative to "performance", but Phil Spencer didn't talk last E3 about Microsoft being deep into the architecture of the next gen consoles and wanting to set a benchmark for console gaming to just put in whatever older stuff AMD had lying around in the warehouse and cross their fingers and toes that Sony didn't even decide to release a PS5 at all (which has already been publicly confirmed by them to have the "expected" components involved in Zen 2 and Navi).
Maybe it's just an early kit?
 

i-Lo

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I don't think that's fair. Being able to add an external drive was a win for consumers and XBOX and later Sony added that feature in the middle of this gen. Anti consumer would be proprietary memory like we had with the Vita, and the 360 hard drive.
When folks ask "Why?" instead of "Why not?" when it comes implementing additional features that improve quality of life features for consumers, it is a fair assessment.

With the 360, it was proprietary because that aspect baked into the design of the console, unlike Xbox one where swapping out internal HDD is possible without adversely affecting the console (otherwise that possibility would not have been possible in the first place). So, voiding warranty (when PS3 and 4 has been allowing it from day 1) is something that ought not to be repeated with their next console, unless, swapping the storage is either not made possible due to how the system is set up or can potentially damage the system.
 
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We’re getting real side tracked in here people.

Let’s let this go, there isn’t any value in it. All we need to do is settle on the fact that this is a speculation thread and everyone is entitled to their opinion but also need to open to the fact that yours is no more valid than anyone else’s.

Like I said earlier, MS or Sony can move in ANY way that they feel they need to, and then justify it to shareholders later.

They can BOM as high or low as they feel the need to.
They can subsidise as high or low as they feel they need to.
They can bundle as much or as little as they feel they need to.
They can recoup money in as many other ways as they feel they need to.

Unless anyone of us here secretly works in AMD HQ and can go in one office and look at schematics, then go in another office and see the other’s — we all have concede that right now we don’t know and can’t dismiss anyone else’s position with some of the... vigour we’ve seen in here.

Until we actually know, we don’t know, and for as long as we don’t know — anything is possible. Some is more or less likely, yes — but anything is possible.
 
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Flutter

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Yeah, I suppose anything is possible if people want to go there. Heck, maybe this is a clue that Microsoft is actually going with post Zen 2 and post Navi architectural stuff that isn't ready enough to put into the early dev kit. See, I can play this game too :)
Actually no. Having a devkit with Zen 1 isn't really something terrible in any sense. It's just an alpha devkit.

No one was even assuming from that 4chan post that Scarlett will be using Zen 1. I'm not even saying that I believe that 4chan post, just that a Zen 1, Vega 64 alpha devkit isn't really anything out of the ordinary.
 
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I don't care about internal swap of storage. It has been a nonfactor when external support is even easier and faster, and allows a simplified design. That's especially true if we are getting solutions that outpace what a normal consumer would reasonably purchase or cobble together on their own. If Cerny is to be believed, and his SSD is better than my SSD.. how do I benefit from internal swap? At that point, there is 0 benefit over doing it externally.
It's not really either / or.

If you can swap the internal drive and use an external one, your net benfit is greater because you can use both a larger internal drive as well as a big external one. There's no downside to it.

Since consoles only support a single external drive, only being able to use that option for storage expansion gives you one less degree of freedom. It's objectively worse (under the premise that a non-replaceable internal drive goves no inherent advantages).

Next-gen with specialised SSD solutions for data caching / streaming will be a different kettle of fish though, because a bespoke/non-standard solution can provide tangible inherent advantages that are more than worth sacrificing the ability to expand the internal storage by a user-replaceable drive.

Man, they sure don't make em like they used to.
 

vivftp

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Kinda wish we could get an all metal console instead of plastic. Or at least the majority metal.
 

BreakAtmo

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Actually no. Having a devkit with Zen 1 isn't really something terrible in any sense. It's just an alpha devkit.

No one was even assuming from that 4chan post that Scarlett will be using Zen 1. I'm not even saying that I believe that 4chan post, just that a Zen 1, Vega 64 alpha devkit isn't really anything out of the ordinary.
Hell, Zen1/Vega is straight-up what I assumed both companies would be using in their early devkits from the start. Seemed quite obvious.
 

Flutter

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Hell, Zen1/Vega is straight-up what I assumed both companies would be using in their early devkits from the start. Seemed quite obvious.
Yeah. Did some reading on old devkits for fun in the past month (ok, it's mostly to wipe out the taste of Manchester United's spectacular implosion) and it doesnt seem like anything out of the ordinary. What they target with the devkit is on the architecture and power so devs can have a headstart before they moved on to versions that uses what is actually on the consoles.
 

vivftp

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I know, that's why I also mentioned mostly metal so the antennas could have a bit of plastic to go through, or as others have mentioned the antenna strips are maybe an option. It'd be interesting to have a mostly/all metal design, but due to additional costs and the probability of metal shells not being as eco friendly I doubt we'll see that.
 
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This is a great post that lays the calculation out in an easy to understand fashion. I think it would make a good threadmark Phoenix Splash
On it. Thanks for pointing it out! I realize some posts that'd be nice to recall probably get lost over pages and pages of discussion. The discussion is really diverse but that's the beauty and interest of it, haha.

Imo there is no chance the we will have an hybrid HDD and SSD as a cache on PS5. I think Sony will use a custom SSD solution maybe soldered to the motherboard and external HDD will be used for store more games. Each time you want to play one of the game on HDD you need to copy it on the SSD. And it will help with one Insomniac problem when developing Spiderman about people changing storage for a slower one. And maybe the SSD will be faster than PCIE 3 solution but slower than PCIE4 solution.

Imo I think out of official talk or Mark Cerny there is only two valid rumors for PS5. The first one is the rumor with HBM2 and DDR4 memory seeing as a single memory pool with HBCC. Because one codename leak corroborate this rumor, the Ariel leak.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/ap5vq4/forget_the_matrix_its_now_all_about_princesses/



https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/bdfarm/rumor_playstation_5_price_leaks_and_it_aint_cheap/ekxsjlv/

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/7926-samsung-vs-tsmc-7nm-update.html

If this rumor is false it is the best console fake of all time. A hard one to invent and very plausible one.

The other rumor on PS side is the AMD Gonzalo codename leak. The first one is engineering sample at 1Ghz and the second one qualification sample at 1,8Ghz.

On Xbox side I don't believe any rumors out of the reddit rumors, later confirmed by jeuxvideo.com, part of it by an MS insider on resetera and part of it by Richard Leadbetter at Digitalfoundry.
It's not really either / or.

If you can swap the internal drive and use an external one, your net benfit is greater because you can use both a larger internal drive as well as a big external one. There's no downside to it.

Since consoles only support a single external drive, only being able to use that option for storage expansion gives you one less degree of freedom. It's objectively worse (under the premise that a non-replaceable internal drive goves no inherent advantages).

Next-gen with specialised SSD solutions for data caching / streaming will be a different kettle of fish though, because a bespoke/non-standard solution can provide tangible inherent advantages that are more than worth sacrificing the ability to expand the internal storage by a user-replaceable drive..
For the last couple of days, I've been wondering if next-gen consoles will be using an actual SSD or if there will be some kind of 'catch' as apparently Cerny didn't directly/explicitly mention PS5 having an SSD but "something more specialized" instead, so I'm appreciating this storage discussion.

I didn't consider the implications of someone replacing the SSDs with slower SSDs(if there's an actual SSD as I know it) or something like that, which would probably make some games unplayable.
 

modiz

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if that xbox dev kit rumor about zen 1 and vega 64 is true, then i think that the zen 1 will be switched for zen 2 in the final version, but will stay with vega personally.

How many TFLOPs is Vega @ 1400MHz with 56/60/64 CUs?
56cu = 10TF
60cu = 10.75TF (basically stadia level)
64cu = 11.47TF (unlikely due to no disabled CU for better yields)
 
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