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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE

Overall maximum teraflops for next-gen launch consoles?

  • 8 teraflops

    Votes: 37 1.8%
  • 9 teraflops

    Votes: 44 2.1%
  • 12 teraflops

    Votes: 874 42.7%
  • 14 teraflops

    Votes: 489 23.9%
  • Team ALL THE WAY UP +14 teraflops

    Votes: 427 20.9%
  • 10 teraflops (because for some reason I put 9 instead of 10)

    Votes: 176 8.6%

  • Total voters
    2,047
Mar 17, 2018
2,985
Lol. I'd never suggested that. Don't twist my words. What i really meant that it's not OK to attack others just because their own speculation, no matter how realistic it was or not. I think NO ONE gave him a normal reply. It was like: "troll, "tales from your arse, tales from your arse 2.0, "deluded fanboy" and so on. That's the point.

Cheaper and more powerful console is a realistic option and it can happen. It happened in 2013.
The guy admitted to trolling... That's why he's being called a troll. He's trying to get a rise out of people.
 
Mar 24, 2018
130
We will be disappointed at Computex. I think there will be no specs information on Navi at computex ...
My guess is that they'll show it running a game and talk about how smooth it runs.
Maybe mention a couple of new technologies being implemented such as 7nm and software improvements.

Maybe they'll let us see the Navi 10 die, however I doubt we'll see any spec numbers.
 
Oct 30, 2017
4,591
The guy admitted to trolling... That's why he's being called a troll. He's trying to get a rise out of people.
He didn't admit to trolling .after everyone called him a clown and called him 100 names , he said I m gonna poke hornest nest with my prediction and continued with explaining his position. Or something to that effect due to being overwhelmed and attacked like he was .
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,050
He didn't admit to trolling .after everyone called him a clown and called him 100 names , he said I m gonna poke hornest nest with my prediction and continued with explaining his position. Or something to that effect due to being overwhelmed and attacked like he was .
Yeah the attacks were too much. It's fine to disprove, but some here think that ridiculing is the same thing.
 
Oct 27, 2017
994
He didn't admit to trolling .after everyone called him a clown and called him 100 names , he said I m gonna poke hornest nest with my prediction and continued with explaining his position. Or something to that effect due to being overwhelmed and attacked like he was .
Nope. Someone said his post sounded like that of a fanboy and he responded "I'm on lunch. I like to poke the hornet's nest". In other words "I'm bored and trolling". It's your right to defend him but his intention seemed clear enough.
 
Mar 17, 2018
2,985
He didn't admit to trolling .after everyone called him a clown and called him 100 names , he said I m gonna poke hornest nest with my prediction and continued with explaining his position. Or something to that effect due to being overwhelmed and attacked like he was .
No, he said he enjoyed poking the hornet's nest. Saying something controversial with the hopes of getting a rise out of people is the definition of trolling.
 
Oct 27, 2017
750
Obviously this is a speculation thread by title, so people are free to "speculate" however they choose. But applying a little bit of common sense isn't a bad idea either when addressing 4chan crap or any take on things. For example, a 4chan "leak" saying that a next gen Xbox dev kit is just using Zen 1 and Vega should have some common sense applied. None of us know at this point ultimately what is coming out and how they may be measured by us and others relative to "performance", but Phil Spencer didn't talk last E3 about Microsoft being deep into the architecture of the next gen consoles and wanting to set a benchmark for console gaming to just put in whatever older stuff AMD had lying around in the warehouse and cross their fingers and toes that Sony didn't even decide to release a PS5 at all (which has already been publicly confirmed by them to have the "expected" components involved in Zen 2 and Navi).
 
GUNDAM STARDUST Indeed but offering options that alleviate issues of additional expenses ought to be considered too.

Not going to mince words but it's grim when consumers push back against additional options in favour of multi-billion dollar corporations.
I don't think that's fair. Being able to add an external drive was a win for consumers and XBOX and later Sony added that feature in the middle of this gen. Anti consumer would be proprietary memory like we had with the Vita, and the 360 hard drive.
 
Oct 27, 2017
994
Obviously this is a speculation thread by title, so people are free to "speculate" however they choose. But applying a little bit of common sense isn't a bad idea either when addressing 4chan crap or any take on things. For example, a 4chan "leak" saying that a next gen Xbox dev kit is just using Zen 1 and Vega should have some common sense applied. None of us know at this point ultimately what is coming out and how they may be measured by us and others relative to "performance", but Phil Spencer didn't talk last E3 about Microsoft being deep into the architecture of the next gen consoles and wanting to set a benchmark for console gaming to just put in whatever older stuff AMD had lying around in the warehouse and cross their fingers and toes that Sony didn't even decide to release a PS5 at all (which has already been publicly confirmed by them to have the "expected" components involved in Zen 2 and Navi).
Maybe it's just an early kit?
 
Oct 31, 2017
7,774
Not America
I don't think that's fair. Being able to add an external drive was a win for consumers and XBOX and later Sony added that feature in the middle of this gen. Anti consumer would be proprietary memory like we had with the Vita, and the 360 hard drive.
When folks ask "Why?" instead of "Why not?" when it comes implementing additional features that improve quality of life features for consumers, it is a fair assessment.

With the 360, it was proprietary because that aspect baked into the design of the console, unlike Xbox one where swapping out internal HDD is possible without adversely affecting the console (otherwise that possibility would not have been possible in the first place). So, voiding warranty (when PS3 and 4 has been allowing it from day 1) is something that ought not to be repeated with their next console, unless, swapping the storage is either not made possible due to how the system is set up or can potentially damage the system.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,396
We’re getting real side tracked in here people.

Let’s let this go, there isn’t any value in it. All we need to do is settle on the fact that this is a speculation thread and everyone is entitled to their opinion but also need to open to the fact that yours is no more valid than anyone else’s.

Like I said earlier, MS or Sony can move in ANY way that they feel they need to, and then justify it to shareholders later.

They can BOM as high or low as they feel the need to.
They can subsidise as high or low as they feel they need to.
They can bundle as much or as little as they feel they need to.
They can recoup money in as many other ways as they feel they need to.

Unless anyone of us here secretly works in AMD HQ and can go in one office and look at schematics, then go in another office and see the other’s — we all have concede that right now we don’t know and can’t dismiss anyone else’s position with some of the... vigour we’ve seen in here.

Until we actually know, we don’t know, and for as long as we don’t know — anything is possible. Some is more or less likely, yes — but anything is possible.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
4,050
Yeah, I suppose anything is possible if people want to go there. Heck, maybe this is a clue that Microsoft is actually going with post Zen 2 and post Navi architectural stuff that isn't ready enough to put into the early dev kit. See, I can play this game too :)
Actually no. Having a devkit with Zen 1 isn't really something terrible in any sense. It's just an alpha devkit.

No one was even assuming from that 4chan post that Scarlett will be using Zen 1. I'm not even saying that I believe that 4chan post, just that a Zen 1, Vega 64 alpha devkit isn't really anything out of the ordinary.
 
I don't care about internal swap of storage. It has been a nonfactor when external support is even easier and faster, and allows a simplified design. That's especially true if we are getting solutions that outpace what a normal consumer would reasonably purchase or cobble together on their own. If Cerny is to be believed, and his SSD is better than my SSD.. how do I benefit from internal swap? At that point, there is 0 benefit over doing it externally.
It's not really either / or.

If you can swap the internal drive and use an external one, your net benfit is greater because you can use both a larger internal drive as well as a big external one. There's no downside to it.

Since consoles only support a single external drive, only being able to use that option for storage expansion gives you one less degree of freedom. It's objectively worse (under the premise that a non-replaceable internal drive goves no inherent advantages).

Next-gen with specialised SSD solutions for data caching / streaming will be a different kettle of fish though, because a bespoke/non-standard solution can provide tangible inherent advantages that are more than worth sacrificing the ability to expand the internal storage by a user-replaceable drive.

Man, they sure don't make em like they used to.
 
Nov 12, 2017
2,797
Actually no. Having a devkit with Zen 1 isn't really something terrible in any sense. It's just an alpha devkit.

No one was even assuming from that 4chan post that Scarlett will be using Zen 1. I'm not even saying that I believe that 4chan post, just that a Zen 1, Vega 64 alpha devkit isn't really anything out of the ordinary.
Hell, Zen1/Vega is straight-up what I assumed both companies would be using in their early devkits from the start. Seemed quite obvious.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,050
Hell, Zen1/Vega is straight-up what I assumed both companies would be using in their early devkits from the start. Seemed quite obvious.
Yeah. Did some reading on old devkits for fun in the past month (ok, it's mostly to wipe out the taste of Manchester United's spectacular implosion) and it doesnt seem like anything out of the ordinary. What they target with the devkit is on the architecture and power so devs can have a headstart before they moved on to versions that uses what is actually on the consoles.
 
Oct 29, 2017
2,273
This kills the WiFi
I know, that's why I also mentioned mostly metal so the antennas could have a bit of plastic to go through, or as others have mentioned the antenna strips are maybe an option. It'd be interesting to have a mostly/all metal design, but due to additional costs and the probability of metal shells not being as eco friendly I doubt we'll see that.
 
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Phoenix Splash
Mar 23, 2018
1,487
This is a great post that lays the calculation out in an easy to understand fashion. I think it would make a good threadmark Phoenix Splash
On it. Thanks for pointing it out! I realize some posts that'd be nice to recall probably get lost over pages and pages of discussion. The discussion is really diverse but that's the beauty and interest of it, haha.

Imo there is no chance the we will have an hybrid HDD and SSD as a cache on PS5. I think Sony will use a custom SSD solution maybe soldered to the motherboard and external HDD will be used for store more games. Each time you want to play one of the game on HDD you need to copy it on the SSD. And it will help with one Insomniac problem when developing Spiderman about people changing storage for a slower one. And maybe the SSD will be faster than PCIE 3 solution but slower than PCIE4 solution.

Imo I think out of official talk or Mark Cerny there is only two valid rumors for PS5. The first one is the rumor with HBM2 and DDR4 memory seeing as a single memory pool with HBCC. Because one codename leak corroborate this rumor, the Ariel leak.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/ap5vq4/forget_the_matrix_its_now_all_about_princesses/



https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/commen...tion_5_price_leaks_and_it_aint_cheap/ekxsjlv/

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/7926-samsung-vs-tsmc-7nm-update.html

If this rumor is false it is the best console fake of all time. A hard one to invent and very plausible one.

The other rumor on PS side is the AMD Gonzalo codename leak. The first one is engineering sample at 1Ghz and the second one qualification sample at 1,8Ghz.

On Xbox side I don't believe any rumors out of the reddit rumors, later confirmed by jeuxvideo.com, part of it by an MS insider on resetera and part of it by Richard Leadbetter at Digitalfoundry.
It's not really either / or.

If you can swap the internal drive and use an external one, your net benfit is greater because you can use both a larger internal drive as well as a big external one. There's no downside to it.

Since consoles only support a single external drive, only being able to use that option for storage expansion gives you one less degree of freedom. It's objectively worse (under the premise that a non-replaceable internal drive goves no inherent advantages).

Next-gen with specialised SSD solutions for data caching / streaming will be a different kettle of fish though, because a bespoke/non-standard solution can provide tangible inherent advantages that are more than worth sacrificing the ability to expand the internal storage by a user-replaceable drive..
For the last couple of days, I've been wondering if next-gen consoles will be using an actual SSD or if there will be some kind of 'catch' as apparently Cerny didn't directly/explicitly mention PS5 having an SSD but "something more specialized" instead, so I'm appreciating this storage discussion.

I didn't consider the implications of someone replacing the SSDs with slower SSDs(if there's an actual SSD as I know it) or something like that, which would probably make some games unplayable.
 
Speculation:

Could there be an “Lockhart dev kit” and “Anaconda” dev kit? Lockhart dev kit is what is out at third parties and Anaconda dev kit is only at MS 1st party?

I am just speculating here of course because not entirely sure of the feasibility and/or the benefit of this, besides “hide” the power of “Anaconda” .
 
May 19, 2018
364
Having an SSD is really nice and I'll be satisfied with even a bog standard SSD in the consoles, however there's loads of rumours suggesting a custom SSD (for PS5 anyway) and I hope they didn't have to sacrifice noticeably better CPU/GPU hardware to include this tech so it fits within their pricing target. Having an SSD will improve the experience dramatically but I'd take a standard SSD + better GPU hardware over a custom super-fast SSD + inferior GPU hardware myself.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,396
Speculation:

Could there be an “Lockhart dev kit” and “Anaconda” dev kit? Lockhart dev kit is what is out at third parties and Anaconda dev kit is only at MS 1st party?

I am just speculating here of course because not entirely sure of the feasibility and/or the benefit of this, besides “hide” the power of “Anaconda” .
It's unlikely. Games being made for one specific variant of Xbox would look bad for MS, so all developers that need dev kits will need to test for both SKUs anyway. So there isn't really a point in making 2 separate units when you can just make one unit with different settings to emulate the lower spec hardware.

If anything is "hiding" the power of Anaconda, its just that they aren't using final silicon yet, or possibly that if these custom changes to the CPU are real, then developers will need time/training on the right way to optimise their titles to take advantage of it.
 
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Feb 10, 2018
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Having an SSD is really nice and I'll be satisfied with even a bog standard SSD in the consoles, however there's loads of rumours suggesting a custom SSD (for PS5 anyway) and I hope they didn't have to sacrifice noticeably better CPU/GPU hardware to include this tech so it fits within their pricing target. Having an SSD will improve the experience dramatically but I'd take a standard SSD + better GPU hardware over a custom super-fast SSD + inferior GPU hardware myself.
Giving there nature of graphics, next gen will see a smaller leap, so I think they will focus on things which change the way games are played.
The more powerful CPU will enable more npcs, cars, ships etc and ssd will allow for faster travel and more grounded worlds.

Like, if uncharted 4 had avatar graphics, sure it would be impressive, but I don't think it would be that much of an improvement most ppl will think it would be.
 
It's unlikely. Games being made for one specific variant of Xbox would look bad for MS, so all developers that need dev kits will need to test for both SKUs anyway. So there isn't really a point in making 2 separate units when you can just make one unit with different settings to emulate the lower spec hardware.

If anything is "hiding" the power of Anaconda, its just that they aren't using final silicon yet, or possibly that if these custom changes to the CPU are real developers will need time/training on the right way to optimise their titles to take advantage of it.
This sounds reasonable, thanks for the reply!
 
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Phoenix Splash
Mar 23, 2018
1,487
I am gonna laugh @MS if PS5 is more powerful than Ana. They better follow through on their word.

Hold up. You made me think. What if this was all, including Spencer's comments about Xbox targeting the "performance leader", a plot and provocation by Microsoft to pushing Sony to price the PS5 at 499 while MS put Lockhart at 299 and Anaconda at 399. IS THIS THE 4K 60FPS CHESS CLOUD VR TACTICS AT REDMOND?

...yeah, I don't know how that would even work. I still believe it will be Lockhart < PS5 < Anaconda.

Any leaks the past days?
Not that I saw. Next legit info regarding next-gen hardware is expected at Computex because Zen 2 from AMD. If not, the expectation will be at E3.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,351
Arhh
So adoredTv was correct about AMD keeping vega 7 as there "flagship part"
And Navi being like the mid range polaris line.
If this is true, I think it rules out next gen performance like the vega 7.
It’s possible they lead with low CU Navi incarnations and then lean into higher CU counts over time as yield and wafer cost improves. By 2020 we may well have enthusiast Navi that beats Vega VII.