Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE

Overall maximum teraflops for next-gen launch consoles?

  • 8 teraflops

    Votes: 43 1.9%
  • 9 teraflops

    Votes: 56 2.4%
  • 12 teraflops

    Votes: 978 42.5%
  • 14 teraflops

    Votes: 525 22.8%
  • Team ALL THE WAY UP +14 teraflops

    Votes: 491 21.3%
  • 10 teraflops (because for some reason I put 9 instead of 10)

    Votes: 208 9.0%

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AegonSnake

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Oct 25, 2017
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The idea of a next gen console not being at least double the 'power' of one in the previous gen is ... well, disappointing.
why are you looking at the one though? you should be setting expectations based on the base consoles that released in 2013. not the fancy $500 console released in 2017.

a 10+ tflops PS5 or Anaconda would be almost 8x the power of the base xbox one. the xbox one was only 5x more powerful than the xbox 360. the ps4 was 7.6x more powerful than the PS4. PS5 would be a 5.5x jump so similar to the xbox one jump, but with navi architectural improvements, there is a good chance the 10tflops navi gpu will perform like a 12.5 tflops Vega GPU. which brings us to a 6.7x jump.

Add in dedicated cores on the GPU for ray tracing, super fast SSDs that will allow for megatextures and super fast traversal across the world, and a CPU thats twice as fast with 16 threads and various other improvements that should allow for a massive 4x jump in CPU, and this will be an even bigger leap than previous gen.
 

grosbard

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think I saw a scribble next to the pisser in bar bathroom about nextgen that looked more credible than this.

You people may need to calm down with these... uh.............................. yeah.
Wait, so random 4chan and reddit leaks are credible???

Well performance leader could mean better cpu and not necessarily gpu
If MS keeps up the performance leader talk and only has one or two components that are "performance leaders" which doesn't translate into better visuals...they will get eaten alive.
 
Feb 10, 2018
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The post can’t be legit because of all these ridiculous acquisitions alone. Isn’t that ... Quite obvious? :P

The specs can still be in the correct range of course, but that’s more of an educated guess I feel like.
It says those are the studios they have been negotiating with, not bought.

This leak is more legitimate then the other leaks thrown about, because with this leak Leadbetter from DF, seems to believe the lockhart 4tf info.
 

Gamer17

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Oct 30, 2017
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Wait, so random 4chan and reddit leaks are credible???


If MS keeps up the performance leader talk and only has one or two components that are "performance leaders" which doesn't translate into better visuals...they will get eaten alive.
But if u noticed they never used the term most powerful console term like they did with x .they used the term performace leader .which could mean many things . But I understand backlash will be big if that happens
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Well performance leader could mean better cpu and not necessarily gpu
I think if you make a bold statement like "performance leader" then your potential customers are expecting you to be an outright winner.

No ifs, or buts.

If you don't achieve that, what is the reason for that SKU to exist any longer? Performance was the USP.

Then the message changes to "the best way to play MS exclusives for the power user" or some other snake oil.
 

Gamer17

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I think if you make a bold statement like "performance leader" then your potential customers are expecting you to be an outright winner.

No ifs, or buts.

If you don't achieve that, what is the reason for that SKU to exist any longer? Performance was the USP.

Then the message changes to "the best way to play MS exclusives for the power user" or some other snake oil.
Can you answer the next part that I added into my last post lol
 

Outrun

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Oct 30, 2017
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Something tells me that we are gonna be debating the specs, even after the specs come in.

I hope that we get a PS5 in a colour other than black initially.
 

grosbard

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Oct 27, 2017
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Stop looking at the mid gen refreshes as the baselines.
Exactly. I'll go ahead and quote myself.

You hit on this, but I feel like a lot of people are looking the at the mid gen consoles as the base consoles and expecting the next gen consoles to significantly outperform them. I often have to remind myself that's not the case lol. The x1x will only be three years old when the anaconda launches. There were eight years between the launch of the 360 and the x1.
 

Colbert

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Oct 27, 2017
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I have updated my prediction. Changed it from baseline to ballpark and updated the specs of all consoles based on some discussions and information available. Variance reduced to +/- 5%.
Prediction
 

AegonSnake

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who writes 1 like a ^?

i really hope MS ditches the lockheart system for their own sake. a 5.5 tflops gpu in 2020 is not going to go down well with gamers. every tv i see sold nowadays is a 4k tv. even casuals can go out and buy a smart 4k tv for like $200. in 2020 and beyond, it will become even more standard. i just dont see casuals rushing to buy the 1080p version just because its a $100-150 cheaper.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Well performance leader could mean better cpu and not necessarily gpu

Btw u seem way too confident .do you know something ? Since u work in video game development business and all maybe u like to tell us what u know lol
I haven't worked in video games for a long time.

But just like everyone else, I have common sense and can draw my own conclusions rather than relying on being spoon fed information.

I sign posted this would happen a week ago but people were too busy shit posting to take any notice:

Morning ladies and gents.

So on one hand we have the tuned PS5 pumping out 12.9 TF and the other the Anaconda with it's "go wider(assume 60CUs) and slower(assume ~1500 clock)" at 11.5TF because it's higher spec vanilla components lumped together with less finesse.

Where does this leave the MS marketing strategy? It has the cheapest weakest box (Lockhart) and also the most expensive weaker box (Anaconda). So the corporate aspirational 'halo effect' they were gunning for is tarnished. A key marketing pillar would be crumbling.

Is this where we see MS pivot away from performance leader statements? Or will they continue with the same strategy and hope that Sony ultimately reveal a weaker box than them? Which could blow up in their face.

I think we'll see MS shift the narrative away from TF and power, they can't take the risk that they unveil a dud. Edit: So if the focus isn't power, it must be content(games), right? Where they will struggle. Or will they push strong on services angle? But who cares about the services when the games are lacking?
 

Bradbatross

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The post can’t be legit because of all these ridiculous acquisitions alone. Isn’t that ... Quite obvious? :P

The specs can still be in the correct range of course, but that’s more of an educated guess I feel like.
So in your opinion do you think there's no way they've been in some form of talks with the studios listed even if most of the talks ended up going nowhere?
 

Flutter

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Oct 25, 2017
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Think the next batch of ray tracing demos will be painful to look at, knowing it would probably run at 15fps on next gen consoles.
 

BreakAtmo

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Nov 12, 2017
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You hit on this, but I feel like a lot of people are looking the at the mid gen consoles as the base consoles and expecting the next gen consoles to significantly outperform them. I often have to remind myself that's not the case lol. The x1x will only be three years old when the anaconda launches. There were eight years between the launch of the 360 and the x1.
Not really. The 'crazy' theories expect the PS5 to have about 2-2.3x the GPU power of the X at the same BoM, vs the PS4 having like 7x the GPU power at what I think was a smaller BoM (not counting inflation).
 

Klobrille

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Oct 27, 2017
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I have updated my prediction. Changed it from baseline to ballpark and updated the specs of all consoles based on some discussions and information available. Variance reduced to +/- 5%.
Prediction
I personally expect the prices to be $299 (or $349) - $399 - $499. I don’t know this. It’s my prediction though.

The reasoning is rather simple: after PS4, I can’t see Sony aiming for anything else than $399. Since Lockhart wants to be the cheapest option for entering next-gen gaming, it will be below that. And since Anaconda aims to be the „undisputed performance leader“, it needs to be higher than that.
 
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Dizastah

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Oct 25, 2017
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Silly question, but what are the other benefits of SSDs in next-gen consoles other than super fast load times? I ask because I've heard some say that this and the new CPUs are the most important things about next-gen console specs.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Prices are the weak point of my prediction as they are not only decided on cost but other factors too. $399 and $499 are Safe Points.
Yes, I'd imagine things are still undecided on price at MS after the performance wake up call.

If MS have now realised they can't compete on power at the top end, the only other lever they can pull on is price. Exclusives are too far out to try and lure people in with and MS does not have a history of delivering on their promises in that regard.

Can you imagine going in with lower specs and being more expensive, again?!

I think this is where it gets really interesting.

MS will not want to cut the price too deeply. But PlayStation is a huge part of their business and Sony won't just roll over on price (I already assume Sony will go 399).

High specs, price wars. Either way it should be great for consumers...
 
Feb 10, 2018
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I think if you make a bold statement like "performance leader" then your potential customers are expecting you to be an outright winner.

No ifs, or buts.

If you don't achieve that, what is the reason for that SKU to exist any longer? Performance was the USP.

Then the message changes to "the best way to play MS exclusives for the power user" or some other snake oil.
You could say the same about the rather lofty expectations cerny has made for the PS5.

Yes, I'd imagine things are still undecided on price at MS after the performance wake up call.

If MS have now realised they can't compete on power at the top end, the only other lever they can pull on is price. Exclusives are too far out to try and lure people in with and MS does not have a history of delivering on their promises in that regard.

Can you imagine going in with lower specs and being more expensive, again?!

I think this is where it gets really interesting.

MS will not want to cut the price too deeply. But PlayStation is a huge part of their business and Sony won't just roll over on price (I already assume Sony will go 399).

High specs, price wars. Either way it should be great for consumers...
But can you imagine if ps5 is $499 and anaconda is $399 but more powerful, Sony would be a laughing stock.

😜
 

bsigg

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, I'd imagine things are still undecided on price at MS after the performance wake up call.

If MS have now realised they can't compete on power at the top end, the only other lever they can pull on is price. Exclusives are too far out to try and lure people in with and MS does not have a history of delivering on their promises in that regard.

Can you imagine going in with lower specs and being more expensive, again?!

I think this is where it gets really interesting.

MS will not want to cut the price too deeply. But PlayStation is a huge part of their business and won't just roll over on price (I already assume Sony will go 399).

High specs, price wars. Either way it should be great for consumers...
This is some fanboy level of commitment. You really think you have it all figured out huh?
 
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anexanhume

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Oct 25, 2017
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PSVR 2 measuring brain waves?

Besides, researches are being conducted on technologies for identifying a position inside a display screen to which the line-of-sight of a user is directed by measuring the brain waves (Electroencephalogram: EEG) of the user. With such technologies, the screen is divided into two or more areas, for example, so as to display a video that changes with a different pattern for each of the divided areas. The pattern different for each area denotes a video that blinks with a frequency and a phase different for each area, for example. A reaction for the blinking of light at a position focused by a user appears in the results of the measurement of the brain waves of the user. Hence, analyzing the brain-wave measurement results provides the identification of an area in screen to which the user is directing the line-of-sight.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2019/0146584.html
 

Detective

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yes, I'd imagine things are still undecided on price at MS after the performance wake up call.

If MS have now realised they can't compete on power at the top end, the only other lever they can pull on is price. Exclusives are too far out to try and lure people in with and MS does not have a history of delivering on their promises in that regard.

Can you imagine going in with lower specs and being more expensive, again?!

I think this is where it gets really interesting.

MS will not want to cut the price too deeply. But PlayStation is a huge part of their business and Sony won't just roll over on price (I already assume Sony will go 399).

High specs, price wars. Either way it should be great for consumers...
And that’s why your posts are a joke and laughable.

Where did you see MS claim performance leader and where did you see backtracking on that statement with a wake up call?

Again, you deliver. A main reason to read this thread.
 

grosbard

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yes, I'd imagine things are still undecided on price at MS after the performance wake up call.

If MS have now realised they can't compete on power at the top end, the only other lever they can pull on is price. Exclusives are too far out to try and lure people in with and MS does not have a history of delivering on their promises in that regard.
What are you even talking about? MS hasn't said anything about the performance level on anaconda lately. No one knows if the ps5 or anaconda will be more powerful, but there certainly hasn't been anything that suggest the ps5 is for sure more powerful and now ms is scrabbling trying to figure out how to spin their weaker console. Come on man...
 

Gamechanger87

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have a feeling the Tflop war is going to mislead people into trying to figure out what is best. Both sides are going to tweak the silicon and TFLOPs will likely not be the end all be all of what can be pumped out of each.

MS views the Xbox platform as one of their biggest drivers of services and right now services has made MS the most valuable company in the world. I expect them to be incredibly aggressive on price with a push to game pass. Wouldn't be surprised to see them pack in a 1 - 3 month game pass card and to activate it you just need to enter in CC. You will immediately boost users in the service and there is likely to be a large number who stick in once they are in because they will lose access to their games.
 

Azurik

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Nov 5, 2017
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Yes, I'd imagine things are still undecided on price at MS after the performance wake up call.

If MS have now realised they can't compete on power at the top end, the only other lever they can pull on is price. Exclusives are too far out to try and lure people in with and MS does not have a history of delivering on their promises in that regard.

Can you imagine going in with lower specs and being more expensive, again?!

I think this is where it gets really interesting.

MS will not want to cut the price too deeply. But PlayStation is a huge part of their business and Sony won't just roll over on price (I already assume Sony will go 399).

High specs, price wars. Either way it should be great for consumers...
Lol:) thread just keeps giving
 

VallenValiant

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Oct 27, 2017
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Silly question, but what are the other benefits of SSDs in next-gen consoles other than super fast load times? I ask because I've heard some say that this and the new CPUs are the most important things about next-gen console specs.
Disk read speeds is a major bottleneck. There is only so much force you can use to spin a disc before it shatters.
More power in a console just means doing things faster. And using an SSD is currently the easiest way to dramatically improve true performance with proven existing technology.

Fast = power.
 

disco_potato

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Nov 16, 2017
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I'm not sure consoles would ever get that low again but I quite fancy the idea of an Xbox Two / PS5 digital edition whereby the Blu-ray is removed and $50-$100 knocked off or bigger SSD included. Yes, ditch the Blu-ray and go for 2TB SSD is my preference.
They're not lowering console price by $50-$100 due to removing a ~$20 part

Nothing about that leak looks credible to me at least.
I stopped reading when I saw "gran turismo launch title". I've been following GT and Yamauchi long enough to know the game will be delayed 3 times and launch 2-3 years after originally scheduled.

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chris 1515

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Oct 27, 2017
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I reiterate on my expectation that some people might be massively disappointed in next-gen specs. I don’t think we are looking at underperforming devices - SDD and CPU alone will grant a huge upgrade -, but man, some of the expectations I’m reading are just ... They are just not possible for a consumer device in the range of $300 - $500. Xbox One X and PS4 Pro may have spoiled people a bit here. We'll see I guess. Looking forward to some confirmed hard numbers myself.
the 18/20 Tflops defense force will be dissapointed for sure...
 
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I think we should get the astroturfers to wear name tags and sandwich boards so that some of you guys can keep up with how the agenda is changing.

If you can't see the sands shifting under your feet already, I don't know what to tell you.
 

grosbard

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think we should get the astroturfers to wear name tags and sandwich boards so that some of you guys can keep up with how the agenda is changing.

If you can't see the sands shifting under your feet already, I don't know what to tell you.
Please explain how the sands are shifting. It's very possible that I have missed statements made by the execs at sony and ms.
 

OriginalPug

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Nov 5, 2017
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As I'm on the wrong side 50 these days, don't get to post much. But having seen the lead up to a new generation of consoles from NES onwards (oh and the arguments between Commodore 64, Spectrum and BBC micro owners), the narrative never changes. It's more fun these days mind as we get a hourly commentary of rumours on this fandango technology you call social media, whereas back in the day, it was the letter sections of monthly magazines or Journalists in the know and you needed to wait a month to read the next set of crackpot instalments. Just change TF for 8 bit/16 bit and away we go. All I know is prepare to be underwhelmed somewhat; it's always the case the PR will oversell the technology, that's a given. As always its the software content on each machine that will ultimately drive sales, something that MS has it seems just figured out. Now they need to produce more games that more people want. TF will not do that. Anyway looking forward to both consoles.
 

DrKeo

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By the way, so I take it that the idea of a two stage storage set up is not favourable as opposed to a single one. I don't know how Sony or MS would like to pull off 1 or 2TB NVMe soldered onto the board without driving up the price as opposed to a 240/480GB NAND cache + 1 TB SATA 3 SSD set up (then again, I am unsure of that latter's pricing conditions as well).

And that begs the question, WHAT kind of size are we looking at on AVERAGE for AAA games and whether it means we are going to see multiple BDs (unless both consoles will support 4 layer BD player).
Buying a 256GB NVMe and a 2TB HDD in retail will cost you ~ the same as buying a single 1TB NVMe SSD. Buying a 2TB NVMe is so expensive right now (the cheapest I’ve found was 210$) that I don’t see platform holders using it unless there is some kind of “elite” SKU. A 1TB NVMe makes sense cost-wise, but it’s too small IMO. X allows users to use 780GB out of 1TB, with next gen games being bigger than current gen games, it sounds just too small. It also prevents replacing your storage solution or using an external HDD.

Using a cache SSD makes more sense if we look at the customer’s perspective. It will allow 2TB storage for the same cost as a 1TB full SSD, it will allow replacing the HDD with whatever drive the customer wishes and it will allow external HDDs. On the other hand it will require a more sophisticated OS or some more attention from developers.

There are some lazy ways to do it. For instance developers will choose what must be on the ssd and what doesn’t (FMVs or sound for instance don’t need the SSD) and the OS will try to keep just the most recently played games on the SSD.

There are some more sophisticated ways to do it, for instance Microsoft’s Fast Start project uses ML to understand what data blocks a game needs for its’s initial launch so only these blocks are downloaded first. As a result the game can launch after only a small portion was downloaded while the developer doesn’t have to fo anything. They can do the same with the SSD cache where the ML system understand what blocks the player needs in his specific location in the game and keep only that data on the SSD while blocks keep being swapped on and off the SSD as required. There is no reason to keep the final level of Uncharted 5 on the SSD while the player is still in the second level, right? When the player gets to the level before last, only then the OS will swap in the final level data into the SSD.
 
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