Yeah, the 1172MHz of the X's GPU still blows my mind. I'm not sure why people are expecting 1800MHz when Radeon VII can hardly hit that target.
I think that we need to temper our expectations to something closer to 1400-1500 MHz.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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I think that we need to temper our expectations to something closer to 1400-1500 MHz.
Oh boy, expectations lowered. :)
1X's gpu speed is fastest so far I believe: @ 1172 Mhz
That was my initial suspicion when I read the Wired article where Cerny said they had RT in PS5. Does anyone know if anyone has tried to get RT running at 1080/30 and upscale / interpolate it up to 4k60? I suspect that might end up being good enough.
I think people are severely underestimating how expensive cooling is and the consideration for form factors
Focus should be more towards CPU enhancements I feel. It's a game changer to move to zen.
Yeah I'm curious to understand what people think the cooling requirements would be from a chip of the same size (roughly 360mm2) running at 2x the frequency. I get there are some efficiencies in 7nm but I don't think cooling at that frequency scales at the same rate.
I still feel like this:
They opened the box, they'll have to deal with what comes out of it.
They opened the box, they'll have to deal with what comes out of it.
I don't think anyone ever expected or predicted 1800MHz for a console GPU - the only reason it's being discussed is because of the Gonzalo chip that we know is real.
In my opinion initial prices will be indicative of possibly mid gen plans. For example a mid gen refresh makes more sense for a $399 console rather for a $499 console. I mean that $499 every three years is too high for most console gamers. Is a budget that even many PC gamers don't have.
From the hardware side I think that a mid gen refresh will be very likely if next gen consoles don't have hardware ray tracing support.
Indeed.I really have no idea what to make of that 1.8GHz clock in Gonzalo.Maybe max possible frequency or something?It just doesn't make much sense...
Why buy a heater for the winter when you can warm your house while playing games?
We can't safely estimate yet the clocks or the power and cooling needs of next gen consoles as we don't know officially the max clocks and the efficiency of Navi GPUs and Zen 2 CPUs.
It is some sort of AMD gaming device (not PC part),probably Sony console.
Gonzalo has the same PCI ID as Ariel so if you believe Ariel is PS5 then you believe Gonzalo is PS5.
There's realistic and then there's pessimistic. I don't see why PS5 would be using a CU count as low as 36. Minimum would be 48 with a max of 56 I think.
Sony and Microsoft collabotaring for cloud gaming streaming
Everyone see the MS/Sony partnership talk in this thread?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so...artnership-regarding-cloud-based-tech.117337/
lol, literally the last thing I thought would happen on the cloud front. Very curious to see where this leads, and I imagine we'll get more info on the 21st when Sony addresses their investors.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so...artnership-regarding-cloud-based-tech.117337/
lol, literally the last thing I thought would happen on the cloud front. Very curious to see where this leads, and I imagine we'll get more info on the 21st when Sony addresses their investors.
So with Sony and MS partnering on Cloud Gaming, can we assume that this is their answer to Google stadia?
Also, every PS5 game will need to run on the same xCloud solution which means both Sony and MS are using the same Navi GPUs and Zen 2 processors with the same memory solution. Arcturus, Zen 3 and PS5 HMB2 dreams are shattered i think.
Pretty sure, this will be the last time they will compete on the hardware front. I think they will both collaborate and release one console next gen. The money has always been in the services, not the hardware or even royalties. They will probably work out a deal to split the revenue from cloud games vs in store or digital games. MS keeps all the money from cloud and sony keeps all the money from digital and in store while making 100% revenue from their own first party games.
Lastly, the A.I solutions is basically them going for the Google and Amazon A.I market. I expect all kinds of insane A.I products like Alexa, Sony and MS making software for self driving cars, and A.I robots because why not.
Also, every PS5 game will need to run on the same xCloud solution which means both Sony and MS are using the same Navi GPUs and Zen 2 processors with the same memory solution. Arcturus, Zen 3 and PS5 HMB2 dreams are shattered i think.
Pretty sure, this will be the last time they will compete on the hardware front. I think they will both collaborate and release one console next gen. The money has always been in the services, not the hardware or even royalties. They will probably work out a deal to split the revenue from cloud games vs in store or digital games. MS keeps all the money from cloud and sony keeps all the money from digital and in store while making 100% revenue from their own first party games.
Lastly, the A.I solutions is basically them going for the Google and Amazon A.I market. I expect all kinds of insane A.I products like Alexa, Sony and MS making software for self driving cars, and A.I robots because why not.
so, that partnership huh, crazy stuff. i am happy that sony accepted this.
its a gaming APU aka a console.
Whoa there, I don't think we have any confirmation yet that Sony will be using xCloud. This seems to be about Sony utilizing Azure, which means they could use their own PS Now hardware on Azure, separate from xCloud
It just sounds like Sony is using Azure not that ms and sony are collaborating on building a service or product.
but they are b/c ms cotrols the hardware, so ms will be the one setting the standerd for streaming. also feels like stadia maybe has them a bit scared.
As far as I can see, the link between Ariel = PS5 is tenuous.
We only have one source and it's the same Japanese tweeter who tweeted the Gonzalo chip codename.
There was no context to given to suggest whether his Ariel-PS5 link was real info he knew or just his own speculation.
Stadia seriously has potential to disrupt the gaming market.
No this has nothing to do with them being scared.
Did people really think Sony was going to set up there own cloud base hardware .
They were going to rent it like most companies , most thought they would go with amazon but they went with MS instead .
He was talking about my old prediction which was about 10TFish. The one you see is an updated version now. I also just saw I used the wrong screenshot. Just updated to the correct one.
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They'll definitely have to come with a solution
Does Sony know this?...
...I think we wouldn't be exactly mad at it, though, soooo
Sure, everything depends on knowing what Ariel is but the PCI ID between Ariel and Gonzalo being a match along with knowing that Gonzalo is in fact a gaming APU is easily the best info we have especially given what passes for a leak around these parts. ;)
Personally, I do think Gonzalo is PS5 which is why my expectation for the GPU is 11.1 TF on the low end (48 CU) and 12.9 on the high end (56 CU).
the connection is simple. Ariel is navi 10 lite, which is a unique chip, and there is no reason to think its a pc GPU. gonzalo, which is a gaming APU, uses the navi 10 lite aka ariel.
this is confusion i saw around here, ariel is the GPU, gonzalo is the full APU.
that's why xCloud has a higher spec than snek, needs extra poke to run ps5 games
/s *runs*
Well for most people it is more than double the power of the current gen. Most people have standard PS4 and Xbox One which are less than 2 teraflops with pretty weak CPUs.
People have inspected the ID and compared it to the same ID format used by AMD on previous chips. One of the parts of the ID is 'G' right in the spot where G has always stood for 'gaming' on prior console chips, as opposed to D for desktop or something. It also has 18 right in the spot always used for GPU clock speed. It also has a base CPU clock that just so happens to match the PS4's (perfect for BC) as well as a 'boost clock' if double that which is exactly what's expected for the PS5. If it's not the PS5 chip, that's a lot of coincidences.
At the beginning it seemed like a good idea to just update the thread marked comment but in hindsight you can't see the history anymore. Sorry for that one.
Lol no worries mate, no harm done
So he expected more than 10ish, le's say ~11, so 56 at 1550 or 60 at 1450.
So 56/60CU at 1500Mhz, +-10%
seems better prediction than 1600.
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He did not say how much more. I have put 1450Mhz on the top consoles now and increased CUs by 4 for each of them.
I don't think they will be clocked as high as 1800Mhz..... but I can see 1600Mhz happening. So I can see anywhere between 42-56CU at 1600Mhz. And in the grand scheme things, a 52-56CU GPU is only like a 30%-40% bump in CU count going from 16nm(1X) to 7nm. Going from 28nm to 7nm they managed a 100% increase in CU count with the PS4 and a 350% increase in CU count going from the XB1 to the 1X.
I think those are not a base clock. Consoles APU don't have base and boost clocks. In the case of Pro ID the numbers at the same location meant something else. Those must mean somehing else in the case of Gonzalo too. IMHO.
So if Azure is going to (possibly) be powering PSNow, I wonder what Sony and MS are doing in regards to working together next gen consoles. A large gap between what's in Azure and available locally on a PS5 would create an issue and I can't imagine Sony would be OK with that.
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