16 GDDR6 is what I'd expect if the HBM rumor isn't true.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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I've seen this type of thing as standard practice in American, German, French, Korean, Japanese companies and more - so if it's the "culture" - it's a Corporate one - not geographic/national one.
No, it's national. That's how business is done in Asia and parts of Europe (German speaking countries the most).
It doesn't make sense, Jim is supposed to be talking about their streaming strategy tomorrow and you're telling me he didn't know what is going on?
PS5 will be the console with fastest memory, ssd and Ram isn't it
Of course he knew, its the middle ranked and below employees who werent aware of it.
Yeah I think it's going to be a wierd memory setup.
I still wouldn't discount the HBM rumor. They coulkd be using GDDR6 as a placeholder. We should know in a few months anyway. This thread has been sinking really low with reddit/pastebin dumps out of all places.
Probably how they could get close to the HBM configuration with readily available components for PC.
Interesting, if true it gives me the impression that Sony are really pushing next gen storage.
PS5 will be the console with fastest memory, ssd and Ram isn't it
I wonder if this will be the main focus and not its GPU performance.
Yeah but this does seem something that makes sense too. Memory bandwidth would be enough (judging from the conversation I had with Locuza here)
The question mark for me would be if it's enough to have 2GB DDR4 for the OS?
It will be rather sweet seeing the general operation of the console run incredibly smoothly and promptly. The OS should be like butter and getting into a game will be like the good old days of carts. Woo.
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1 week for Computex
3 weeks for AMD at E3 and one day earlier for Xbox
But it's better if we don't think about the "are we there yet" part :)
This seems SPICY.
Hopefully, OP replies... hopefully.
https://www.reddit.com/user/xelfesa/
The profile picture from this user
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The profile also states "May 21st 2019" as cake day but it's May 20th so the user is probably from a timezone where the 21st started a bit over an hour ago... or that's how I believe this stuff works. I'm pointing it out because what if this is someone who works where development kits are being made/manufactured thus the OQA?
3 weeks for AMD at E3 and one day earlier for Xbox
But it's better if we don't think about the "are we there yet" part :)
This seems SPICY.
Hopefully, OP replies... hopefully.
https://www.reddit.com/user/xelfesa/
The profile picture from this user
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The profile also states "May 21st 2019" as cake day but it's May 20th so the user is probably from a timezone where the 21st started a bit over an hour ago... or that's how I believe this stuff works. I'm pointing it out because what if this is someone who works where development kits are being made/manufactured thus the OQA?
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Wait hold on.. if I'm reading this right, it says 16 chips in clamshell configuration... NOT 16GB.
Could be 24GB-32GB with this configuration.
Since it's the dev kit I'm guessing 32GB.
PS5 devkit PCB specs from OQA
- monolithic die ~22.4mm by ~14.1mm
- 16 Samsung K4ZAF325BM-HC18 in clamshell configuration -
- memory vrm seems like overkill with multiple Fairchild/ON Semiconductor FDMF3170 power stages controlled by an MP2888 from MPS
- 3 Samsung K4AAG085WB-MCRC, 2 of those close to the NAND acting as DRAM cache (unusual 2GB DRAM per 1 TB NAND)
- 4 NAND packages soldered to the PCB which are TH58LJT2T24BAEG from Toshiba
- PS5016-E16 from Phison
It's 16GB of 18Gb/s GDDR6 in a 256-bit setup which means 576GB/s and three DDR4 @2400MHz which means 6GB, 4GB dedicated to the SSD as a DRAM cache and the other 2GB probably for the OS.
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Oh, I'm actually not sure what he meant by "16 Samsung"; Is that 16GB? 16 chips? I took it as 16GB which sounds more likely. Maybe it's a fake trying to ride on the fact that PS4 originally had 16 chips? Maybe it's just double the memory because it's a development kit, who knows.
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One thing that gamers may not realise is the psychology of how people divide there time with there entertainment.
PlayStation + xbox are competing with Netflix, youtube, amazon video etc which are practically instant entertainment.
I do not game because the wait period is a barrier, a significant percentage of the time.
Sony + ms will know this, the faster and more smooth it is to get into the game, the more people will play.
Why you continue to post this surreal things ?
So you think that ps5 have Navi (plus?)
Hw RT and 5 teraflops more than xb2? And probably as u said multiple time the xb2 cost 100 dollars more right ?
Are those post for laugh or what? Ahahaha
K4ZAF325BM denotes 16gb density. The hc18 at the end would suggest 18Gbps which sounds a bit suspicious. Samsung doesn't even have an entry for that yet.
Also clamshell, means 8 chips top of PCB and chips bottom of PCB, right? Going along with the cooling solution patent we saw some time ago.
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Dont forget about Stadia and instant one click game start they are promising
Did Sony ever make devkits more powerful than retail box?
16x2 for Devkit? Or 16x1?
Looks legit.
2GB DDR4 + 2GB GDDR6 for OS
14GB GDDR6 for GPU + CPU
4GB DDR4 for NAND Cache
18GBs~1GBx16 @ 576GBs
Seems slow, but exotic memory config.
Looks legit.
2GB DDR4 + 2GB GDDR6 for OS
14GB GDDR6 for GPU + CPU
4GB DDR4 for NAND Cache
18GBs~1GBx16 @ 576GBs
Seems slow, but exotic memory config.
Wonder where the 16GB DDR6 rumour for PS5 is coming from. Sounds good to me.
It could not be 24GB.
Those chips are 16Gb. If those claims would be true, it's 32GB total.
But people now "leaking" the internals is even more unbelievable.
As if a developer would look inside a devkit.
So unless you come from production or development inside Sony, or the manufacturer, you wouldn't know these details.
Monolithic 316mm² chip would also kill the 12TF+ dream.
Because Cerny when asked about the pricepoint said that the price will be appealing in light of the PS5's advanced feature. He didnt say affordable.
You are also not getting a 10+ tflops GPU in a $399 console with ray tracing, SSDs, 4k UHD drive, 20-24GB of GDDR6 RAM, and custom features like 3D audio chips and a psvr chip built into the mobo. Maybe an 8 tflops GPU but why release a weak GPU with all those fancy features.
Fast! Give us the CU ballpark estimate for a 316mm^2 die with 256-bit memory controller! :)
Seems like close to internal Sony. Or atleast internal hardware team.
If my math is correct than PS5 gonna be 32TF. Dont quote me on that tho
@9TF max. ( Depends of the size of NAVI CUs and GPU clock )
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The profile also states "May 21st 2019" as cake day but it's May 20th so the user is probably from a timezone where the 21st started a bit over an hour ago... or that's how I believe this stuff works. I'm pointing it out because what if this is someone who works where development kits are being made/manufactured?
Judging by this leaker is from Asian region. Some manufacturing site in China? Or an engineer in Japan?
I wonder if this is the posters mistake or shows it to be true? Such a fine balance! Take a pic of this PCB, Xelfesa....Would answer every and all questions.
Re: the RAM chips the HC18 is very interesting as I once mentioned the oddity of this article/press release and the Samsung library picture of the chip not matching: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12338/samsung-starts-mass-production-of-gddr6-memory
The article clearly talks specifically about 18Gbps chips going into mass production yet the picture is of HC16. This was back in January 2018.
I find it interesting they gave specific part numbers for the RAM, NAND, and PCIE Gen4 controller, but NOT the console APU.
They're either scared about it being tied back to them, it's not marked, or they didn't know how to fake it.
I'd guess 48 to 52 CUs.
312mm2...
Zen 2 + GPU + IO, etc...
I can't see a gpu above 40CU for the SOC size...
Can be 40CU @ 1800MHz = 9.2TF.
Or maybe 44CU @ 1800MHz = 10.1TF.
K4ZAF325BM-HC18 are 16Gb chips with 18Gbps
https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/gddr6/ (not listed yet, because they're new and not ready for mass production yet)
total bandwidth is 576GB/s
Good take on this.
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