Don't think it'll be that cheap. Isn't the Xbox One S All-Digital Edition £199.99 (~$260)?
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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Hey guys, ever thought about that you don't need HBCC if you already have a shared memory pool? With HBCC you add extra complexity and die space to just marry a cost intensive HBM2 with slower DDR4 to get back to a pseudo "shared memory" access. Sounds weird to me. Or maybe I am just to dumb to see the advantages ... (cost, complexity, bandwidth ... you name it)
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Hey guys, ever thought about that you don't need HBCC if you already have a shared memory pool? With HBCC you add extra complexity and die space to just marry a cost intensive HBM2 with slower DDR4 to get back to a pseudo "shared memory" access. Sounds weird to me. Or maybe I am just to dumb to see the advantages ... (cost, complexity, bandwidth ... you name it)
I do hope when Navi is fully unveiled we can get some good analysis on just how much the broken features in Vega bring to the table. Given they're fully usable and easily exploitable in Navi. Among them I think were Conservative Rasterizer, Draw Stream Binning, Primitive Shaders and NGG Fastpath. It's been a while so I'm not up to date on where these are at exactly.
The adoredTV chart claiming the 3080 was Vega64 + 15% may give credence to this. But I thought there was a huge gap between the 3080 Navi10, and 3070 Navi12 being just equivalent to Vega56.
I'm expecting ~Vega"60" performace in the consoles given all the constraints to consider.
The adoredTV chart claiming the 3080 was Vega64 + 15% may give credence to this. But I thought there was a huge gap between the 3080 Navi10, and 3070 Navi12 being just equivalent to Vega56.
I'm expecting ~Vega"60" performace in the consoles given all the constraints to consider.
Yes but he has said other things, like he thinks Sony won't be playing the tflop wars and that 1800mhz gpu clock he is apprehensive about.
Because it can play traditional games too..notice I used the word 'intended'.
The problem is that you need intelligence to effectively manage that shared pool. Enter HBCC.
Richard thinks Anaconda to be expensive premium console like XBOX ONE X. But it seems he doesn't expect PS5 to be expensive premium console like Anaconda, so his expectations is around 10TF for PS5.
Do I need to modify my baseline? Even german tech sites are now reporting about a much more powerful Anaconda compared to the PS5. Should I still trust the word of Brad Sams on it or should I follow my gut feeling and say that Anaconda would be more powerful? Decisions, decisions ...
Are all the "leaks" somewhere on Era? There is one of the 1St page. Anything else or it doesn't seem worthy to keep posting them?
Anaconda can definitely end up being more powerful. I don't really see it being "much more" powerful though.
Okay we have to define "much": in my opinion it points to about 2TF more.
It'll be able to cost reduce like crazy though over time, and I think the HBCC was going in anyway to manage the data streaming from the SSD. HBCC is going to be a part of Navi anyway, because of it's applications in the enterprise space. It's actually not a matter of putting it in to a Navi-based SoC, it's a matter of not taking it out. :)
do you think ms uses vapor chamber cooling than? I think a 12tfps apu has tdp issues otherwise.
It would be funny if Sony's reveal to focus on the hard drive is to force MS' hand to reveal something else for Anaconda during E3.
trust your gut. I don't even know what "much more powerful" could possibly mean. From a gamers perspective the difference between 10 TF and 12 TF is probably not even noticeable but from a hardware design standpoint the difference is huge and hard to achieve.
Some people probably think like PS5 is 10TF and XboxNext is like 15TF. Not gonna happen
When I talked about 7nm PS4 people here didn't believe me. Let's see if the reddit post will redeem me.
I see the use case, but you don't need HBM2 for having HBCC, you can just do it with GDDR6. Cheaper and as efficient in caching slower memory ... my point was more pointing to the HBM2/DDR4 memory setup rather than HBCC. I should have expressed myself better :/
Seems like it. But i have to caution, Richard doesn't know anything about PS5 actual specs like Teraflops, clock speeds, ram etc..
So he can be wrong.
18-20 TFLOPS is about what you'd expect at the top end of PC gaming next year. You're not getting a console with that amount of power, period.
Single stack HBM3.
Does HBCC sufficiently abstract to where you could go down to 2 channels of DDR4 at some point? That would be a neat trick too.
I will give the rumor more time to grow before I go back to 3 levels of performance (which was the initial prediction just at a lower base).
This would also lead me to modify my vote to 12TF max. for a console. LOL
One S still have the eSRAM into the 16nm SOC.
A 7nm SOC with Zen 2 + 4~6TF GPU will cost way less.
I think anything could happen, within reason.
There are just to many variables to make a sound prediction.
There are just to many variables to make a sound prediction.
A lot of people in the last thread didn't seem to think that PS4 shrink to 7nm was inevitable.
only if nvidia forgos raytracing hardware, which would be dumb. I rather nvidia add mor rt cores at this point.
BTW, what was with that patent from Sony posted in the old thread a couple days ago about a cooling solution? It wasn't comprehensible to me, but was there enough information there to figure out how good it could possibly be?
I know it's more than a long shot. Still, I just found myself fascinated by the idea of dual GPU's when I first learned about chiplets.
I know it's more than a long shot. Still, I just found myself fascinated by the idea of dual GPU's when I first learned about chiplets.
I guess you mean that article on pcgameshardware.de. That's a classic Resetera -> Internet -> resetera. They are explicitly naming their "source": user Klobrille from Resetera.
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The CPU/GPU memory contention issue is real, though. This setup fixes it. Maybe when you weigh up all the pros and cons this setup ends up just barely tipping the scales in it's favor. That's all it would take. And the potential for long-term cost reduction is no small factor.
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Off the top of my head, for PS5 there's the reddit rumor from that guy who called Sony skipping E3 2019; the pastebin from a small third party developer who included such things as GTA VI in 2020 while calling some of the specs. Personally, these seem less likely. Then there's the rumor on the first page that you mentioned.
For Xbox there's the report from Brad Sams and Windows Central on two different Xbox models at launch(this seems legit). As for these two sources, the talk around is these are controlled leaks by Microsoft themselves.
Some of Era's members also posted some info regarding both:
GPU decompression being the "secret sauce" regarding next-gen consoles' SSDs
Xbox Anaconda aiming to be the clearly the better performing console
PS5 and Xbox aiming for higher teraflops than Google Stadia's 10TF and launch year being 2020
There may be some other events this year regarding next-gen consoles
Knowing AMD is powering the consoles, next month, AMD is revealing info about their upcoming 7nm products at Computex and one-two of these products are probably the base for what's being used inside these consoles.
I'm missing some but honestly, we'll probably know at E3.
Whatever the actual reveal announcement date/event will be for the next gen console(s) I will make sure to grab a nice big cup of coffee and closely watch this thread to see how the people that are expecting more than 14 TFLOPs are reacting to the actual reveal performance numbers of next gen consoles.
That will probably be more exciting than the actual information !
(a little bit of banter here on my end and I certainly don't want to downtalk or suppress or make fun of anyones expectations or speculation, but oh boy I am genuinely excited to see reality hitting)
That will probably be more exciting than the actual information !
(a little bit of banter here on my end and I certainly don't want to downtalk or suppress or make fun of anyones expectations or speculation, but oh boy I am genuinely excited to see reality hitting)
A 2080 Ti at 1900 MHz is already at 16.5 TFLOPS. No reason to think NV won't be pushing up against 20 TFLOPS after moving to 7nm, imo. Especially for those of us that plan to put them on water.
To all the people saying that 8-10Tflops would be disappointing. Do you think that GoW is the best looking game ever? If you do, you wont be disappointed by a 8-10Tflops PS5. The PS4 launched with less flops than a what middle-high 2009 AMD GPU's had (A Radeon HD 5850 is rated at 2Tflops).
Yeah and people put too much emphasis on TFLOPs. I would rather have a 6.5 TF RTX 2060 than a 10.5 TF Vega 56. I hope Navi can improve on that a lot compared to Vega, but my expectations are pretty low.
yup if Nvidia really wants to they can create a BEAST on 7nm, but I guess it would probably be late 2020?
When are we getting DDR5 anyway? It would be extremely useful if this rumor is true, for sure.
Along the same lines, I wonder if there might be a 7nm X1 with DDR4.
So what would be some potential disadvantages with HBM? I suppose short term cost would be one but I have no worry about Sony being able to handle it.
Only if a legit insider hints of a Spring release. My money waits....
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