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Isn't R7 like $700? Do we have proof it's sold at cost?
I think going second is a good strategy. It worked with Sony for the PS4 in 2013. Sony going first now gives the opportunity to Microsoft to one up them and use their marketing against them (again same as 2013). It won't be a pure specs reveal but it'll be a counter which will leave people wondering how Sony will respond. That's my take anyway.
Isn't R7 like $700? Do we have proof it's sold at cost?
Because that doesn't seem likely at all. Most businesses charge 2-3x cost, usually 3x, for profits. Considering AMD doesn't get any cut on game software sales I imagine they charge a good profit per card they sell. But I may be missing something here so let me know.
But it compare HBM and GDDR within a constraint enviromment in term of TDP and cost like in console, this is already a problem and it begins current gen. 8 GDDR5 in PS4 is not a tiny part of the console consumption. If we could stay with 8Gb of RAM, it woud be better but we need to go to 16 GB of GDDR6 with 256 bits bus or 24 Gb of RAM with a 384 bits bus. The difference between current gen and next gen is HBCC.
EDIT: the micron formula find by anexanhume show bus too play a part in TDP and DrKeo calculation he finds nearly nearly 100 watts for 24 Gb of GDDR6 with a 384 bits.
If that is really the case then it will be 256-bit. The X uses 7Gb/s chips down-clocked from 3500MHz to 3400MHz, if they are using a 4500MHz GDDR6 chips (18Gb/s) then it might be down-clocked too. But I'll be honest, 4500MHz GDDR seems a bit high for a console.Well I could be wrong, but the rumored devkit has 16 chips of ram in a clamshell configuration.
Using that chart it looks like it can only go 2 ways, 256 or 512 bus. One gives you 576 gb/s and the other a whopping 1152 gb/s.
Or it could genuinely be full disclosure. I mean do you think he's trying to mess this up on purpose?
so the next gen "thing" is something we already had in the cartridge based consoles era
576 gb/s is more probable then. Not a fan of it, since part of it has to power the CPU.If that is really the case then it will be 256-bit. The X uses 7Gb/s chips down-clocked from 3500MHz to 3400MHz, if they are using a 4500MHz GDDR6 chips (18Gb/s) then it might be under-clocked too. But I'll be honest, 4500MHz GDDR seems a bit high for a console.
Slow in Malaysia too, yeah.Off-Topic
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My loading times for the ERA website and threads are extremely slow at the moment. Endpoint Germany. Anyone with the same issue?
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My loading times for the ERA website and threads are extremely slow at the moment. Endpoint Germany. Anyone with the same issue?
Not really trivial.Yes lol. It does seem rather odd Sony are making a fuss about a rather trivial feature, no doubt some fans will start acting like load times and streaming are the most important thing in gaming.
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I'm having a hard time trying to understand why SSD tech is so important to Sony.
It shows however that Cernys words can mean $399.
As sony have described a console like cerny did for $399.
The context is not that different Andrew House is just explaining the price, like cerny was, house would of said those words regardless of what xbox xbox was doing.
Slow in Israel too and I'm on a 1Gb/s fiber. Sounds like it's world wide.Off-Topic
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Yes lol. It does seem rather odd Sony are making a fuss about a rather trivial feature, no doubt some fans will start acting like load times and streaming are the most important thing in gaming.
It is when talking about a next gen leap, ram + gpu power are far more important,Not really trivial.
Think it's understated by many tbh. Better streaming of assets will probably be one of the most important things to happen this gen.
funny, I just ran speedtest 10 minutes ago thinking it was my broadband.Off-Topic
My loading times for the ERA website and threads are extremely slow at the moment. Endpoint Germany. Anyone with the same issue?
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My loading times for the ERA website and threads are extremely slow at the moment. Endpoint Germany. Anyone with the same issue?
A new GT for PS5 launch is like the easiest bet to make.
GTS took so long to release because Polyphony took a lot of time developing a new, super scalable engine for current gen and beyond
There's where we differ in our opinion.It is when talking about a next gen leap, ram + gpu power are far more important,
But like I say it won't surprise me that some people start acting like loading + streaming is the hail Mary of next gen
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My loading times for the ERA website and threads are extremely slow at the moment. Endpoint Germany. Anyone with the same issue?
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My loading times for the ERA website and threads are extremely slow at the moment. Endpoint Germany. Anyone with the same issue?
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My loading times for the ERA website and threads are extremely slow at the moment. Endpoint Germany. Anyone with the same issue?
GT's history of delays and Kaz's penchant for "perfection" is the reason it's not a good bet.
You have to remember that the reason they gave for the delay of GT:S was the same exact one they gave for GT5. With GT5 they took so long to detail every car beyond current system's capabilities. They were future proofing their models. With GT:S they scrapped those future proof models to start from scratch with new, more future proof models.
Would GT be a good showcase, yes. Was that the same story when PS4 was launching, yes.
No one would be happier if Kaz broke GT's bad track record when it comes to on-time releases, than me.
There's where we differ in our opinion.
RAM + GPU power is of course important, but streaming + loading has always been constricted to HDD speeds for the past decade at least, especially for consoles.
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One of the 2 author's of this patent works at Pixelopus (Concrete Genie), so this is maybe just a patent for the animation techniques they are using for that game. I do recall the animations being quite unique with how they handle faces.Cool patent here. Sony wants to improve on current character animation techniques.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2019/0156546.html
I'm sure there is strength to those rumors but I can't believe it. There is no scenario where a company that makes profit off hardware would sell any hardware at cost like that, especially AMD which sells to the small market of PC GPU enthusiasts.
I'm having a hard time trying to understand why SSD tech is so important to Sony. Sure it will make a huge improvement in the overall user experience but, the competition will also have SSD tech for sure, even if it ends not being faster. If the Xbox takes 4 or 5 seconds more to load games/levels at the end of the day the experience will also be better for Xbox users when compared to current-gen and I think it will make little to no difference - unless ofc the SSD MS is using is trash and some games take around 10-15 seconds to load, which I highly doubt.
On the other hand GPU power could also impact the user experience and if there is a huge different between the two machines Sony will be losing in that department, at least according to MS insiders.
What do you guys think it's more important the SSD tech or GPU? The PS5 seems to be a really well balanced machine while from rumors the Xbox seems to be a monster in GPU performance but I'm not sure by how much.
The ps5 dev kit is running a navi based gpu. From what I have heard, sony is going hard on efficiency, cooling, and small form factor. This is for their Japanese audience. They saw how well the switch was received and their main goal is making a console that is small.
The ps5 dev kit is a beast though. Graphically, the few tests I have seen are stunning.
On the other hand, the anaconda dev kit is running a vega based gpu lol. While some specs will change from the dev kit to final release console...vega won't. Here is the kicker, the anaconda dev kit is clearly the better performing of the two. There is an easy 30% - 40% difference. Microsoft built a monster
There's where we differ in our opinion.
RAM + GPU power is of course important, but streaming + loading has always been constricted to HDD speeds for the past decade at least, especially for consoles.
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One of the 2 author's of this patent works at Pixelopus (Concrete Genie), so this is maybe just a patent for the animation techniques they are using for that game. I do recall the animations being quite unique with how they handle faces.
I'm sure there is strength to those rumors but I can't believe it. There is no scenario where a company that makes profit off hardware would sell any hardware at cost like that, especially AMD which sells to the small market of PC GPU enthusiasts.
I can't see it costing more than $400 total, all things considered, for the card, to be produced. Even that is high.
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I'm sure there is strength to those rumors but I can't believe it. There is no scenario where a company that makes profit off hardware would sell any hardware at cost like that, especially AMD which sells to the small market of PC GPU enthusiasts.
I can't see it costing more than $400 total, all things considered, for the card, to be produced. Even that is high.
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that... that would be dumb.
Without "RUN" at the end it will be never executed!10 PRINT "Sony's is a monster"
20 PRINT "MS's is a monster"
30 GOTO 10
My loading times of Era are always within a second (100mbps down). But today it is a game of patience. 20 seconds and more.My loading times on ERA have mostly been slow to the point where I have to wait several seconds till it loads at all. Always thought that is an ERA thing. Also Germany