Yeah, I expect the next PS to look more like a Mac Mini than anything else, really.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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Yeah, I expect the next PS to look more like a Mac Mini than anything else, really.
I don't know if this helps- 1172 MHz is core clock of X's GPU.
I check this thread so many times a day, always hoping for some new leak or rumour. It's been a wild 400 pages of (mostly) baseless speculation and it's been fun to sit back and enjoy the ride. But I'm ready for some concrete facts now, please. :)
Two more weeks for that. Given we are so close to E3, there most likely will not be any leaks just wild speculations and inferences.
The newest concrete facts I can give are that the new Xbox
is coming at some date after today.
And that the new PlayStation
is made by Sony.
Except that the ostensible range for Microsoft would be much bigger from minimum to maximum specs. From GTX 670 to GTX 2080Ti is about 5x the TF, plus architectural advantages. If Xbox Two is ~11 TF then from Xbox One S to that is about 8x the TF, plus architectural advantages.
And that's also ignoring just how big the performance gap is for Metro Exodus, even across that smaller range. I couldn't find any benchmarks for the minimum setup, but using a more powerful 1050 Ti results in 720p with locked 30fps. Any higher res introduces unstable fps, and the game can't reach 1080p while maintaining 30fps, even with all settings as low as they can go. And this is a card slightly better than those "minimum requirements".
This all indicates that if Anaconda hosts games that max out its GPU, then Xbox One S would be closer to SD resolution than HD, and possibly with ragged framerate as well. Conversely, if games were actually fit for purpose on One S, then Anaconda's GPU power would be heavily constrained.
Vr was and still his in it's very early infancy ...I think he did the right choice .
We'll I hope the PS5 will have a UHD Drive this time, they made need to use the 75-100GB disc's this time.
I think it was the right choice for the Xbox One seeing how underpowered that system is but I'll be disappointed if VR doesn't become a part of Microsoft's next gen plans. Have you seen the Sony patents for PSVR 2? They are really insane and awesome if they actually happen of course. I think VR will be a big deal eventually and I think Microsoft will need to jump in eventually before they fall way behind and can never catch up. Even Nintendo is doing VR these days (cardboard).
Think it was the right thing to do, they need to get their enthusiast fans excited about the Xbox brand again.
Sony could focus on VR because they already have plenty of established first party studios making AAA non-VR games. Microsoft needed a rebuild.
Microsoft won't "fall way behind" with VR because they are already doing VR work with WMR.
From a business perspective its a better idea to wait until 3rd parties are fully on board with VR, when at least 1/2 of the major publishers release at least 1 AAA game per year on VR.
We're down to 7TF now?
I wonder if we can get get to 6 or below in this thread so the PS5 has a less powerful GPU than the Xbox One X. We can do it. We have the lack of technology!
I'm hoping they allow you to install to HDD from disc, I like having physical but the convenience of digital is so much better.
It's already like that today, disc install stuff then is only used as a dongle at launch. You meant to not have to put it in the console each time ? Sony has a patent for digital license exchange, but I will believe when I could use it.
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That doesn't really make sense. If others companies didn't embrace VR, then a business case would never develop. MS just hasn't pursued that direction yet. I am not sure how you can really read that as a good or bad strategy. It is just the way they have done it.
Perfect analogy.
As a poker player and car enthusiast, these past few pages have been pretty solid, lol.
It makes perfect sense.
Starting an unproven platform is risky.
It remains to be seen if the extra experience psvr devs will get is worth the risk.
Yeah, good for him. He is the man. Yet bunch of PC and especially PS4 owners already playing great VR games. Even in this "early stages".
PS4 already has UHD drive which discs are limited to 50G.
PS5 should have an 8K drive which is quad layer 128GB.
This thread has been I ride, I'll say that.
Some good some bad, but I'm glad I was in it from (almost) the beginning. Hope the next thread starts off on a good foot and we get some concrete details sooner rather than later.
Some good some bad, but I'm glad I was in it from (almost) the beginning. Hope the next thread starts off on a good foot and we get some concrete details sooner rather than later.
Because they can just drop the resolution to 1080p and everything will be alright... /s
(Am I doing it right?)
Pretty cool. I kinda really want an electric car now.
I agree on the engineering design point too.
PS5 comes with hydrogen fuel cells and solar panels for playing on the go - confirmed.
i am sure this was posted already but whatever
255mm^2, RTX 2070 performance (RTX 2070 die size is 445mm^2)
also its 23mm^2 larger than a RX 480/580 which is the equvialent to the GPU in the X1X, so i guess its possible to fit that in a console?
255mm^2, RTX 2070 performance (RTX 2070 die size is 445mm^2)
also its 23mm^2 larger than a RX 480/580 which is the equvialent to the GPU in the X1X, so i guess its possible to fit that in a console?
I want to put the disc in once and install then not have to worry about the disc again, I have two PS4s so it's annoying.
It's highly possible indeed. What I wonder about is the clockspeed. I'm not sure they'll be able to reach full clocks in a console form factor.
Downclocked version of this navi 255mm^2 is max what we can expect from ps5
They are already way behind. If they only want to provide a headset for third parties, they'll still need easy to use tools and APIs. But If they want to create compelling content for VR, they'll need games and gaming tools they don't have.
Since he is boss at Xbox (5 years ago), Spencer is trying to build first party studios at the level of Sony First party studios. That's great and I can't wait to see the next Halo. But has he succeeded yet ? It will take more years for that. It's not only about money and will. You need years to build coherent teams, trust, ideas and hardware. You need experience.
And VR gaming is much harder than traditionnal AAA gaming. Sony has being doing AR and VR games respectively since 15 and 8 years ago. For instance some from the Astro bot team have being doing AR gaming since Eye pet, in 2004. Astro bot concept has being created in Playroom, which development started in 2011. And the hardware has being designed also because of the games they were developing. The idea of the social screen came from the development team while they were making Playroom.
with the x1x they had more CUs but a lower clocks and ended up very close performance wise to the consumer card boost performance, so i think its possible we will get that performance level.
all in all RTX 2070 performance level in a console is pretty good IMO, couple that with 5x the CPU and the really fast SSD and i am excited.
also remember that the ps4, which was the more powerful of the 2 had a GTX 660 equvialent GPU basically, so the next gen consoles will be comparable to one rank above at the current NVidia cards.
If the rumour of them mandating cross-gen titles for the coming 2 years is true, then it makes the two console launch strategy seem even more nonsensical.
You'd be able to play 'next-gen' for a ~150 dollar Xbox One S or a cheap One X without having to buy any of the nextgen hardware. Defeats the purpose of the lockhart unit for sure.
It'll remain my opinion that they will not go for a two console launch after all. Maybe they'll position the One X as the 'lockhart' unit.
You'd be able to play 'next-gen' for a ~150 dollar Xbox One S or a cheap One X without having to buy any of the nextgen hardware. Defeats the purpose of the lockhart unit for sure.
It'll remain my opinion that they will not go for a two console launch after all. Maybe they'll position the One X as the 'lockhart' unit.
That's apt i guess.. this is a tech thread where I've followed very little of all the abbreviations thrown around. Might as well reflect that in the title :D
Whats RDNA referring to again?
Nothing and you can look at it in many ways, one would be a low volume console could be sold on lower margins or greater loss if they have a high volume no loss or small profit SKU out. I.e subsidise Anaconda with Lockhart
The interesting question is how do you make the most powerful console if you have placed a lower specced baseline marker in the sand.
If they manage better paper specs will they result in the best version of the game.
Sorry missed this, no hard evidence on a release date.
The X had a year build up but the original One did not, it's hard to say but I am not sure Microsoft wants to race to next gen. They have the X and they have just released the value digital One S so I would assume that 2019 is unlikely.
The initial console launches were tied to AMD roadmap to make them really viable power consumption wise, now that is not the case.
We don't know at this time what IP AMD has for Navi and beyond ready and what Microsoft would select. The PS4 Pro had a real mix of GPU features that spanned 3 AMD gpu all they way to Vega so any possible mix of technology is possible.
What old IP will be required to make BC possible / easier?
If they release close I doubt much will be different from an AMD IP standpoint. The RT differences will be interesting given the revealed Navi GPUs do not have specific RT acceleration and we assume both will have it
Ok
1. They have WMR, with tools and some of the best headsets on th market.
2. Ninja Theory have experience making a VR game, rare have expirenced with kinect, so they have some good and relevant experience.
3. Will sony's devs have more experience? Yes they will, but this does not necessarily mean xbox devs won't be able to make VR games as good as.
4. Sony have likely lost money on PSVR overall. Sothere devs will gain expirence, but while losing money.
Like I've already said we don't know if Sony launching VR first will be worth it.
Both approaches have there pros and cons.
VR is such a niche product......I honestly struggle to see why anyone would put so much emphasis on it at current moment in time.
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