Yeah...
Plus, if we're getting leaks, it's far more likely to be from third parties rather than people close to reveal planning, which this post presents itself to be. So that smells off too.
LOL, leave for a while and come back to talk about how the PC target may hold back Xbox next gen games compared to Sony. I don't think many people understand the reality that developers target high to start and tailor down as necessary for other platforms, which is what the Xbox One X dev kit and no doubt the next gen Scarlett dev kit will enable too. Gears of War 4 and the Forza games are amazing on PC and certainly didn't impact the Xbox versions in any negative manner.
So fake I will take any 4chan leak over thisNew Redit Leak
PS5 Details and Launch
- $449/€449/£399.
- ~12-13TF.
- 24GB RAM.
- 2TB storage (SSD + custom).
- BC with all previous Playstations.
- Minor changes to DS5, also has IR camera.
- Launches worldwide September 2020.
- PSVR2 coming later.
- Big first party year 1 games are Gran Turismo and Horizon 2. GT will launch with the console. There's other titles for year 1, but these are the two "big" ones at the reveal event.
- Japan Studio will be at launch with a new IP, will also be shown off at event, but they have begun work on a AAA title too.
- San Diego is the only other first party studio planned to appear at the event.
- No plans for any upcoming PS4 first party titles to be cross gen at release.
- All of Ghost, TLOU2, and Death Stranding are planned to release by mid-2020 as PS4 games.
- TLOU2 late 2019, Ghost early 2020, and Death Stranding after that, barring any delays.
- No PS5 versions are decided at the moment. Focus is on delivering the PS4 versions. Discussions about how to proceed with hypothetical PS5 versions - if you launch a significantly upgraded PS5 game for retail/digital in year 1, then letting PS4 owners pay a small upgrade fee since the PS4 disc is usable and playable on PS5 anyway seems to be favored route. Alternatively, you just play the normal PS4 disc on the PS5.
- Square Enix will be at reveal event with Luminous Production new IP (RPG) and Final Fantasy 16.
- FF16 was originally planned as a current gen title but due to the screw up with FF7 Remake which delayed it from the planned release of 2018, it was moved to next gen.
- FF7 Remake is not a PS5 release. Current gen only and no plans for a PS5 version right now.
- LP is also making a FF15 PS5 Edition for launch.
- DQXI with added content will be on PS5.
- Capcom, Warner Bros, and Rockstar (RDR2 next gen) will be at the reveal event.
Those are the only things confirmed for now as planning is underway.
New Redit Leak
PS5 Details and Launch
- $449/€449/£399.
- ~12-13TF.
- 24GB RAM.
- 2TB storage (SSD + custom).
- BC with all previous Playstations.
- Minor changes to DS5, also has IR camera.
- Launches worldwide September 2020.
- PSVR2 coming later.
- Big first party year 1 games are Gran Turismo and Horizon 2. GT will launch with the console. There's other titles for year 1, but these are the two "big" ones at the reveal event.
- Japan Studio will be at launch with a new IP, will also be shown off at event, but they have begun work on a AAA title too.
- San Diego is the only other first party studio planned to appear at the event.
- No plans for any upcoming PS4 first party titles to be cross gen at release.
- All of Ghost, TLOU2, and Death Stranding are planned to release by mid-2020 as PS4 games.
- TLOU2 late 2019, Ghost early 2020, and Death Stranding after that, barring any delays.
- No PS5 versions are decided at the moment. Focus is on delivering the PS4 versions. Discussions about how to proceed with hypothetical PS5 versions - if you launch a significantly upgraded PS5 game for retail/digital in year 1, then letting PS4 owners pay a small upgrade fee since the PS4 disc is usable and playable on PS5 anyway seems to be favored route. Alternatively, you just play the normal PS4 disc on the PS5.
- Square Enix will be at reveal event with Luminous Production new IP (RPG) and Final Fantasy 16.
- FF16 was originally planned as a current gen title but due to the screw up with FF7 Remake which delayed it from the planned release of 2018, it was moved to next gen.
- FF7 Remake is not a PS5 release. Current gen only and no plans for a PS5 version right now.
- LP is also making a FF15 PS5 Edition for launch.
- DQXI with added content will be on PS5.
- Capcom, Warner Bros, and Rockstar (RDR2 next gen) will be at the reveal event.
Those are the only things confirmed for now as planning is underway.
This was the only reason I'm still willing to believe that PS5 will be capable of PS3 BC. Those existing blades have to EoL at som Epping and Sony must have a plan to replace them. They won't want to be making PS3 hardware forever.Probably, but having full BC with everything WOULD mean that Sony would no longer need to make PS3 chipsets for their PS Now servers - the server racks could just be nothing but PS5 hardware from here on out. That would be fantastic for them.
The announcement was that they are done with FFXV not in general.Eh i thought Luminous is pretty much done with Tabata leaving?
Funnily enough, as fake as the leak sounds, Squeenix repackaging FFXV for yet another version to resell sounds super believable to me lol.
RDR2 "double dip edition" also sounds believable given how R* played the GTAV releases. Much more beliable to me than GTAVI launching next-gen only at console launch.
New Redit Leak
PS5 Details and Launch
- $449/€449/£399.
- ~12-13TF.
- 24GB RAM.
- 2TB storage (SSD + custom).
- BC with all previous Playstations.
- Minor changes to DS5, also has IR camera.
- Launches worldwide September 2020.
- PSVR2 coming later.
- Big first party year 1 games are Gran Turismo and Horizon 2. GT will launch with the console. There's other titles for year 1, but these are the two "big" ones at the reveal event.
- Japan Studio will be at launch with a new IP, will also be shown off at event, but they have begun work on a AAA title too.
- San Diego is the only other first party studio planned to appear at the event.
- No plans for any upcoming PS4 first party titles to be cross gen at release.
- All of Ghost, TLOU2, and Death Stranding are planned to release by mid-2020 as PS4 games.
- TLOU2 late 2019, Ghost early 2020, and Death Stranding after that, barring any delays.
- No PS5 versions are decided at the moment. Focus is on delivering the PS4 versions. Discussions about how to proceed with hypothetical PS5 versions - if you launch a significantly upgraded PS5 game for retail/digital in year 1, then letting PS4 owners pay a small upgrade fee since the PS4 disc is usable and playable on PS5 anyway seems to be favored route. Alternatively, you just play the normal PS4 disc on the PS5.
- Square Enix will be at reveal event with Luminous Production new IP (RPG) and Final Fantasy 16.
- FF16 was originally planned as a current gen title but due to the screw up with FF7 Remake which delayed it from the planned release of 2018, it was moved to next gen.
- FF7 Remake is not a PS5 release. Current gen only and no plans for a PS5 version right now.
- LP is also making a FF15 PS5 Edition for launch.
- DQXI with added content will be on PS5.
- Capcom, Warner Bros, and Rockstar (RDR2 next gen) will be at the reveal event.
Those are the only things confirmed for now as planning is underway.
I believe that even Shu doesn't know this much about the PS5.New Redit Leak
PS5 Details and Launch
- $449/€449/£399.
- ~12-13TF.
- 24GB RAM.
- 2TB storage (SSD + custom).
- BC with all previous Playstations.
- Minor changes to DS5, also has IR camera.
- Launches worldwide September 2020.
- PSVR2 coming later.
- Big first party year 1 games are Gran Turismo and Horizon 2. GT will launch with the console. There's other titles for year 1, but these are the two "big" ones at the reveal event.
- Japan Studio will be at launch with a new IP, will also be shown off at event, but they have begun work on a AAA title too.
- San Diego is the only other first party studio planned to appear at the event.
- No plans for any upcoming PS4 first party titles to be cross gen at release.
- All of Ghost, TLOU2, and Death Stranding are planned to release by mid-2020 as PS4 games.
- TLOU2 late 2019, Ghost early 2020, and Death Stranding after that, barring any delays.
- No PS5 versions are decided at the moment. Focus is on delivering the PS4 versions. Discussions about how to proceed with hypothetical PS5 versions - if you launch a significantly upgraded PS5 game for retail/digital in year 1, then letting PS4 owners pay a small upgrade fee since the PS4 disc is usable and playable on PS5 anyway seems to be favored route. Alternatively, you just play the normal PS4 disc on the PS5.
- Square Enix will be at reveal event with Luminous Production new IP (RPG) and Final Fantasy 16.
- FF16 was originally planned as a current gen title but due to the screw up with FF7 Remake which delayed it from the planned release of 2018, it was moved to next gen.
- FF7 Remake is not a PS5 release. Current gen only and no plans for a PS5 version right now.
- LP is also making a FF15 PS5 Edition for launch.
- DQXI with added content will be on PS5.
- Capcom, Warner Bros, and Rockstar (RDR2 next gen) will be at the reveal event.
Those are the only things confirmed for now as planning is underway.
he even knows exactly who will be at the reveal event which probably even sony doesn't know yet.
Too good to be true. Just to much info for a leak
BC part is kinda hmmm. Paying for ps5 patches is a bad idea. I hope this is not something Sony mandates
oh he know all this as he is arranging the studios attending hehe
again a leak doesnt have to be 100% correct. sometimes leakers ad random lines to loose their trace
imagine how much money they would make selling all those PS1 and PS2 and PS3 again digitallyi dont think that "full BC" is as impossible as you think.
if sony gives up on giving trophies for every PS2 and PS1 free game and just emulates those two, and modify RPCS3 it should be possible.
I agree. I dont see Sony doing this for their games but some third parties probably willYeah it would be shitty to pay for rez and performance boosts. But if they went in and actually added a lot of stuff, 5 bucks wouldn't be bad for that.
sony wont do it but they cant prevent other devs from doing itYeah it would be shitty to pay for rez and performance boosts. But if they went in and actually added a lot of stuff, 5 bucks wouldn't be bad for that.
selling them all diigitally would have issues with licensing as was mentioned in the previous page.imagine how much money they would make selling all those PS1 and PS2 and PS3 again digitally
sony wont do it but they cant prevent other devs from doing it
I disagree. Devs with dev-kits should know the exact Tflops number of the machine they have on hands. But of course it won't necessarily be the performance of the retail units.one thing this leaker did right, which is something that you dont often see in these leaks, is giving a performance range rather than a specific numbers, because sony doesnt even know the exact number right now as it depends on prices, tdp etc. i dont expect them to have a specific performance number until... december.
anyway it is still 90% chance of fake because of the way it is written.
yea but that reduces the income of their partners and they wont get 3rd parties on their bad side.we ll see how it will play outThey are the platform holders. If they mandate no payed patches, there won't be any. The same way the mandate that the PS4 pro version must be better in some respect.
why would they leak the devkit instead of the specsheet?I disagree. Devs with dev-kits should know the exact Tflops number of the machine they have on hands. But of course it won't necessarily be the performance of the retail units.
But that leak is obviously fake. BC will all previous Playstations ? LOL. They have no incentive doing that for free (except for PS4 BC because they want PS4 owners to enter into the PS5 ecosystem).
But free PS1, PS2 and PS3 BC ? They'll do when Xbox will outsell them worldwide...
The thing is that you and I can make such a leak to seem legit.again a leak doesnt have to be 100% correct. sometimes leakers ad random lines to loose their trace
imagine how much money they would make selling all those PS1 and PS2 and PS3 again digitally
Yeah it would be shitty to pay for rez and performance boosts. But if they went in and actually added a lot of stuff, 5 bucks wouldn't be bad for that.
Eugh, if there's any trace of a mechanical HDD in the next-gen consoles, I will feel unclean. Ideally, I'd ditch the disc drive too and have the cooling fan as the only moving part.
HDD are the reason we never have console under 199 dollard/euros MSRP since the PS2. I think the more resonnable PS4 and Xbox One can reach a price under 199 dollars but bigger than 149 dollars without SSD we have no hope to reach 149 dollars or even better sub 149 dollars price.
Wait for the full reveal.Man full BC would be crazy, there are so many PS3 games that I'd like to play again.
If you were Sony do you announce that with the Wired article or wait for the full reveal?
I'm not sure consoles would ever get that low again but I quite fancy the idea of an Xbox Two / PS5 digital edition whereby the Blu-ray is removed and $50-$100 knocked off or bigger SSD included. Yes, ditch the Blu-ray and go for 2TB SSD is my preference.
PS3 BC specifically makes a lot of sense because sony will probably want to replace their psnow servers from ps3 hardware to new hardware.Man full BC would be crazy, there are so many PS3 games that I'd like to play again.
If you were Sony do you announce that with the Wired article or wait for the full reveal?
HDD are the reason we never have console under 199 dollard/euros MSRP since the PS2. I think the more resonnable PS4 and Xbox One can reach a price under 199 dollars but bigger than 149 dollars without SSD we have no hope to reach 149 dollars or even better sub 149 dollars price.
Just to add to this, the overhead costs include the baseline set of components in powering or cooling the device, which hasn't gotten anywhere near a PS2 slim ( apt comparison), meanwhile having to adjust for inflation.
The number of RAM chips is hard to get around as well; XO requires 16xDDR3-2133 chips, while PS4 cant really go below 8xGDDR5 chips for the consumer kit. PS2 may have had to deal with Rambus, but at the end of the day, it came down to two DRAM chips, which has further implications to the motherboard.
It's definitely a thing you save for full reveal. Let people believe that it won't happen long enough and it increases the value of the announcement.Man full BC would be crazy, there are so many PS3 games that I'd like to play again.
If you were Sony do you announce that with the Wired article or wait for the full reveal?
You don't need to play the long game cost-wise regarding storage, it's not a CPU or GPU which needs to stay more or less the same the whole generation. You will have model refreshes and different storage solutions over the generation, just like any other generation. If starting the generation with a 256GB SSD + 2TB HDD makes sense cost-wise, if 3 years later a 2TB SSD will make more sense than the "S" or "slim" will have a 2TB SSD instead. As long as you upgrade over the years instead of downgrade, it will be fine. Right now 2TB SSD is way too expensive, 4 times more expensive than the 500GB HDD the PS4 and XBO had in 2013 so 1TB is probably the only option for a full SSD storage solution. Right now the retail cost of a 1TB SSD VS a 256GB SSD + 2TB HDD is the same. Will it stay cost the same in 18 months? I don't know, but right now going full SSD with just 1TB storage, that's pretty small and limiting for the end user, it might even create a media backlash.I don't believe any rumors with a SSD + HDD. It is a bad idea from a cost perspective. NAND flah cost is falling. QLC SSD are currently available at 107 euros without IVA, if you took the price for some of the logistic*, retailer profit and the packaging for a mass order the cost is probably 50 euros or dollars and SSD are cheaper in US.
https://www.pccomponentes.com/cruci...MI96qqvJGe4gIVSUHTCh0JhwEmEAQYASABEgLE7_D_BwE
For a 512Gb SSD the cost is half the price 25 dollars but you need to add the price of the HDD, HDD have incompressible cost because of mechanical element, an internal 2To HDD cost 70 dollars in retail probably 35 dollars of cost in a console with mass order. The cost of the two elements combined is more expensive than the SSD alone. If you take a 256 Gb SSD the cost is only 12,5 but you are only a few dollars(2,5) under the cost of a SSD 1tb Nvme alone.
The other problem is this incompressible 35 dollars cost for the HDD at the end of the gen. Price of 128 Gb SSD are very low much lower than a HDD.
We can imagine a console at less than 199 dollars/euros using only a 1Tb SSD and probably less than 149 euros/dollars at the end of the generation(sure at 100% for a console without bluray).
https://www.pccomponentes.com/kings...MIyfC98MWf4gIVaijTCh05HQahEAQYAyABEgIskvD_BwE
The price is 17 euros without taxes, and without all the element I talke about before I doubt the cost is more than 75% of the final price or maybe 50% of the final price.
NAND flash are supposed to contnue to drop until end of the year.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ssd-prices-drop-2019-prediction,37982.html
* some part are for all the console not only the SSD