And that's why your posts are a joke and laughable.
Where did you see MS claim performance leader and where did you see backtracking on that statement with a wake up call?
Again, you deliver. A main reason to read this thread.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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And that's why your posts are a joke and laughable.
Where did you see MS claim performance leader and where did you see backtracking on that statement with a wake up call?
Again, you deliver. A main reason to read this thread.
I'm saying the next batch of tech demos.. We will get RT, but not to the extent of RT from future GPUs.
What are you even talking about? MS hasn't said anything about the performance level on anaconda lately. No one knows if the ps5 or anaconda will be more powerful, but there certainly hasn't been anything that suggest the ps5 is for sure more powerful and now ms is scrabbling trying to figure out how to spin their weaker console. Come on man...
I have a feeling the Tflop war is going to mislead people into trying to figure out what is best. Both sides are going to tweak the silicon and TFLOPs will likely not be the end all be all of what can be pumped out of each.
MS views the Xbox platform as one of their biggest drivers of services and right now services has made MS the most valuable company in the world. I expect them to be incredibly aggressive on price with a push to game pass. Wouldn't be surprised to see them pack in a 1 - 3 month game pass card and to activate it you just need to enter in CC. You will immediately boost users in the service and there is likely to be a large number who stick in once they are in because they will lose access to their games.
MS views the Xbox platform as one of their biggest drivers of services and right now services has made MS the most valuable company in the world. I expect them to be incredibly aggressive on price with a push to game pass. Wouldn't be surprised to see them pack in a 1 - 3 month game pass card and to activate it you just need to enter in CC. You will immediately boost users in the service and there is likely to be a large number who stick in once they are in because they will lose access to their games.
Disk read speeds is a major bottleneck. There is only so much force you can use to spin a disc before it shatters.
More power in a console just means doing things faster. And using an SSD is currently the easiest way to dramatically improve true performance with proven existing technology.
Fast = power.
They're not lowering console price by $50-$100 due to removing a ~$20 part
I stopped reading when I saw "gran turismo launch title". I've been following GT and Yamauchi long enough to know the game will be delayed 3 times and launch 2-3 years after originally scheduled.
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the 18/20 Tflops defense force will be dissapointed for sure...
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I think we should get the astroturfers to wear name tags and sandwich boards so that some of you guys can keep up with how the agenda is changing.
If you can't see the sands shifting under your feet already, I don't know what to tell you.
If you can't see the sands shifting under your feet already, I don't know what to tell you.
Please explain how the sands are shifting. It's very possible that I have missed statements made by the execs at sony and ms.
As I'm on the wrong side 50 these days, don't get to post much. But having seen the lead up to a new generation of consoles from NES onwards (oh and the arguments between Commodore 64, Spectrum and BBC micro owners), the narrative never changes. It's more fun these days mind as we get a hourly commentary of rumours on this fandango technology you call social media, whereas back in the day, it was the letter sections of monthly magazines or Journalists in the know and you needed to wait a month to read the next set of crackpot instalments. Just change TF for 8 bit/16 bit and away we go. All I know is prepare to be underwhelmed somewhat; it's always the case the PR will oversell the technology, that's a given. As always its the software content on each machine that will ultimately drive sales, something that MS has it seems just figured out. Now they need to produce more games that more people want. TF will not do that. Anyway looking forward to both consoles.
Buying a 256GB NVMe and a 2TB HDD in retail will cost you ~ the same as buying a single 1TB NVMe SSD. Buying a 2TB NVMe is so expensive right now (the cheapest I've found was 210$) that I don't see platform holders using it unless there is some kind of "elite" SKU. A 1TB NVMe makes sense cost-wise, but it's too small IMO. X allows users to use 780GB out of 1TB, with next gen games being bigger than current gen games, it sounds just too small. It also prevents replacing your storage solution or using an external HDD.
Using a cache SSD makes more sense if we look at the customer's perspective. It will allow 2TB storage for the same cost as a 1TB full SSD, it will allow replacing the HDD with whatever drive the customer wishes and it will allow external HDDs. On the other hand it will require a more sophisticated OS or some more attention from developers.
There are some lazy ways to do it. For instance developers will choose what must be on the ssd and what doesn't (FMVs or sound for instance don't need the SSD) and the OS will try to keep just the most recently played games on the SSD.
There are some more sophisticated ways to do it, for instance Microsoft's Fast Start project uses ML to understand what data blocks a game needs for its's initial launch so only these blocks are downloaded first. As a result the game can launch after only a small portion was downloaded while the developer doesn't have to fo anything. They can do the same with the SSD cache where the ML system understand what blocks the player needs in his specific location in the game and keep only that data on the SSD while blocks keep being swapped on and off the SSD as required. There is no reason to keep the final level of Uncharted 5 on the SSD while the player is still in the second level, right? When the player gets to the level before last, only then the OS will swap in the final level data into the SSD.
Here is something real that could be discussed by those that care - https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directx-12-boosts-performance-of-hitman-2/. IO Interactive had major FPS gains in performance when going to DirectX 12. This is due to multithread rendering pipeline support in the API to take advantage of better CPUs, so this type of thing should really help on next gen games using DirectX 12. I don't have much doubt that Microsoft will have some special silicon to get as much performance as possible out of DirectX 12 games too.
I think Anaconda will be 12 Tflops, I think PS5 will be 1.8 Ghz because of AMD Gonzalo leak Qualification sample but it can be the case with a low number of CU. Like Richard Leabetter did it can be a very low level of CU 36 like PS4 Pro, 40 like Xbox One x. 44 or 48... It doesn't means PS5 can't be 8 or 9 Tflops.
I only believe plausible leak... I believe PS5 will have two type of memory with HBCC for example.
I only believe plausible leak... I believe PS5 will have two type of memory with HBCC for example.
You're post from that time only shows your prediction/expectation. There hasn't been any recent news or developments to corroborate any of the content you've put forward.
Please reference what you're referring to - "performance wake up call" there has been no valid rumors or leaks to confirm or corroborate anything regarding the potential power of either box.
You have your predictions of a high cost, lower powered Anaconda going against a lower cost, higher powered PS5. I continue to think this is an unreasonable expectation. I know you've attempted to justify your position in the past, but I don't think those justifications are reasonable either. I can see same price with PS5 more powerful, or less probably, the same power with PS5 being cheaper, but not both.
MS is **aiming** to have Anaconda be the "undisputed performance leader" it would be detrimental if this was their target and they failed to meet it. They had a misstep with the Xbox one - pure gaming wasn't the target, and they included Kinect which inflated the price. With X1X, they've shown a full turn around, and what can be done with a targeted design process - this is the team designing Anaconda. And this shows what can be done with a $100 price difference: RAM, Bandwidth, Clockspeed.
Your prediction includes a much higher clocked PS5 (over Anaconda). Currently, even Xbox 1S has a higher clocked GPU than the PS4 Pro (914 vs 911) - Sony has been very conservative with clockspeed this gen. Whereas Xbox has pushed this from the start, and currently has the most advanced cooling system ever used in a console - this is engineering work they've already done which can be iterated upon for their next consoles. Sony can do this too of course, but they'll be starting at the begining.
Nothing has changed. There's been no new info. Rumors and leaks should have some corroboration/confirmation before we begin to consider them for speculation. Picking and choosing rumors that match your expectations doesn't make them any more correct.
You are firm in your predictions, and that's fine. But it's not appropriate to push forward that speculation as if it were fact, when there has been no corroboration.
That's a given. I've thought the same; MS will make a GPU can work with DirectX 12 really, really well.
What I want to know is, if they future proof it so it can work with Direct X 13 in the future. That's never been done from what I know.
There's no chance that loackhart and anaconda have different launch windows, right? Both are supposed to launch at the same time?
Well, Xbox One launched with DX 11, and was updated to DX 12 in 2015. So there's past precedence.
hmqgg has suggested that leading into next gen, the Direct X team is doing a massive overall on the backend:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/mi...-sold-off-by-now.75600/page-217#post-15418682
https://www.resetera.com/threads/xb...plays-we-all-win.94058/page-307#post-19895816
Yeah, I would fully expect that they would include anything silicon wise that may help with future iterations of DirectX as they obviously know what that roadmap/plan would be :)
I don't believe anything has been confirmed about that.
Well, we are all entitled whatever we want to think. I think you are wrong.
I think there will be no more than an 8CU difference between the two consoles and no more than a 10% power gap. But that's just what I think though.
Same here, If I could do all that CAD stuff I have one helluva idea for how a next-gen console could be designed. I wonder if someone hee wats to help feed into my pet project.
I don't think expectations are crazy here, quite the contrary. I think they're on point.
Most expect 56-60 CU, clocked at 1400-1800, and I'm sure PS5/Anaconda will fall exactly into that. (10-13.8 TF).
If you wanna be more specific we could get the middle number for the clock speed:
56 at 1600 = 11.5
60 at 1600 = 12.3
And add a +-10% deviation.
That's what we should expect, and we wont be wrong I think
Most expect 56-60 CU, clocked at 1400-1800, and I'm sure PS5/Anaconda will fall exactly into that. (10-13.8 TF).
If you wanna be more specific we could get the middle number for the clock speed:
56 at 1600 = 11.5
60 at 1600 = 12.3
And add a +-10% deviation.
That's what we should expect, and we wont be wrong I think
I really hope we get to see some next gen games this E3. I want to see what these machines can do in the hands of the master devs.
I'm already putting pennies aside for a DBrand skin. Not perfect but they make a nice change.
What are the chances anaconda really is using zen 3/smt3or4/navi7nm+ but is actually a later release/mid gen refresh? Probably slim to none but thought I'd muse myself.
It's not a nightmare when you don't focus on it. If they focused on what is viewed as weak CPU when they started talking about current-gen instead of focusing on its strenght it wouldn't have been a smart decision. The strong features will once again overshadow the weaknesses.
I think it will simply be optimization, no need to find workarounds. IIRC, DICE was able to double the performance of their ray traced reflections within a few weeks after launching by optimizing.
Most next gen games will run at 30 fps anyway. PC gamers almost never settle for 60 fps, but i think even a rtx 2060 can do ray tracing rather well at 30 fps at 1080p.
besides, DICE and other devs have simply shoehorned in the ray tracing support. games designed from the ground up will use it better. after playing metro, i hope they all go for global illumnation instead of reflections or even worse but i would love to see reflections at least on spiderman 2's skyscrapers. BF has only one level where reflections are something you notice. looking at all the games released this year, i dont see which game would need ray traced reflections. GI though would help every single game.
Where did I say I think than PS5 will be 8/9 TFlops. I don't know but it is a possibility.
Err, one s launched in 2016 at $300. Your argument is that ~3 years later the $50 decrease of SAD is strictly due to removal of BD drive? If the SAD never came to be, a normal one s with a BD drive would also cost $250 msrp. I can walk into BB, walmart or look on amazon and newegg to get a regular one s for ~$200.
The more I think about it the more I'm full on with Sony going 399 it's the better spot if you plan on consoles being your main business driver. At 499 that's for the hardcore which anaconda will be marketed too. Lockhart and ps5 will be majority of the sales for consoles
I believe that is a possibility especially for Sony.
If the price is again $399 I think that Sony will have again a mid gen refresh planned.
Probably best to believe there is one planned for both consoles regardless of the initial price points
I still think that 1800MHz is crazy high for a GCN GPU. Radeon VII is having a hard time hitting 1800MHz and it's a 700$ high end part on 7nm. If Gonzalo really is 1800MHz, the CU count is probably pretty low, somewhere in the 40s'.
This is pretty close to what I'm expecting as well. Maybe a little higher actually.
They're going to talk less about visual improvements this gen (of course games will look noticeably better) and focus on SSD speed for minimized loading, CPU allowing for more interaction and better performance, and expanding the ecosystem.
That's already something that devs are doing on console because of the console-specific APIs.
The issue on PC is that AMD's DX11 drivers aren't as magical as nVidia's (which have some workaround to do multithreading), so Radeons can end up seeing more gains (usually) than nVidia in this context (of dx12 renderers). You might notice certain disparities between the two IHVs are less egregious with games that support DX12 or Vulkan.
The pseudo-DX12 support on Win7 that was introduced with World of Warcraft a little earlier in the year is a bit of a hack to get multithreaded rendering on DX11.
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What is the highest clock speed a console has ever run? Because unless people think the form factor of a console will change dramatically, I think there is a bit of wishful thinking on these clock speeds when you take into consideration a thin, small console form factor.
It's not always a question of what the chip is capable of - sometimes it's a question of what can be run at nearly 100% for 5 years with very low defect rates.
Not saying it's impossible - but seems very unlikely.
It's not always a question of what the chip is capable of - sometimes it's a question of what can be run at nearly 100% for 5 years with very low defect rates.
Not saying it's impossible - but seems very unlikely.
I doubt leaker is that dumb to leave handwriting signature.Here is the image :
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