Cheers, yeah much later in the year than I thought, still funny looking at it now. Everyone should have a nice comfy chair on stage instead of standing around looking awkward.
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Cheers, yeah much later in the year than I thought, still funny looking at it now. Everyone should have a nice comfy chair on stage instead of standing around looking awkward.
I read a news story about the PS5 on an Eu website that said that the EUsplaysation twitter account changed their bio and added "it's time to play". There was a leak a couple of days ago that said that this was going to be the new slogan for the PS5 right?
Wonder how much this TV will drop in price by summer 2021...
that slogan was already known from a big PS4 commerical they did a few months back.
Wouldnt the whole idea be there are games... you don't actually know anything about... being announced for this?
Like for instance Japan Studio has been -really- quiet for a while now.
Knack 3
Unless they are proud of the price. The three things they are most proud of being when (early?), price ($400?), and games (duh).
Blesseth are those that lay their eyes upon the holiness of Knack 3.
And yea, you're right but looking at the release schedule of Sony's FP titles, unless there are internally two or teams per studio who have been working for over a couple of years now on PS5 titles, I can't fathom new games being released (aside from the ones I mentioned) at launch. Come 2021, I expect releases major releases from SSM.
If the scope of the resembles that of the one released for PS4, then perhaps (given Spidey launched Sep 2018 and then portion of studio was still developing DLCs). I still remember the franchise being leveraged to show off the capability of PS3 back in the day.
Digital Foundry follows that user and so....
I am all for OLED, but at that price, I would take a 75" ULED XD TV from Hisense or a 75" Mini QLED from TCL over a 55" Oled. I have come to learn that the black levels on those other TVs are good enough, the brightness is better and I want my TV as big as possible.
Yes but as soon as he's let inside he wants to be back outside again.
EDIT: A new detailed Navi photo became available soon after I posted this, making the measurements here obsolete. I've left them alone here, but revised versions of both images can be found in this later post by me.
Here's stuff I've been working on. The first image is a revised version of something I posted previously. New images of Navi 10, plus of Navi 14, have slightly changed the size estimates. This can serve as a guide for anyone who wants to "assemble" any arbitrary nextgen APU for fun.
The second image is my own current predictions, as well as alternate configurations, for both PS5 and XSX. Some of it may seem arbitrary, but I assure you there's some reasoning--specious as it may be--behind all of it. I hope it at least serves as a good jumping-off point.
Even if you ignore my choices among these options, I think there's some takeaways that should apply in general:
* Bad news for Team 14TF...it's possible, but really unlikely as it'd require so many specifics.
* Even containing much the same CPU and GPU, there are still choices that could be made to differentiate the platforms
* 8 TF is still technically on the table, even if it seems very implausible to me (and many others)
Here's stuff I've been working on. The first image is a revised version of something I posted previously. New images of Navi 10, plus of Navi 14, have slightly changed the size estimates. This can serve as a guide for anyone who wants to "assemble" any arbitrary nextgen APU for fun.
The second image is my own current predictions, as well as alternate configurations, for both PS5 and XSX. Some of it may seem arbitrary, but I assure you there's some reasoning--specious as it may be--behind all of it. I hope it at least serves as a good jumping-off point.
Even if you ignore my choices among these options, I think there's some takeaways that should apply in general:
* Bad news for Team 14TF...it's possible, but really unlikely as it'd require so many specifics.
* Even containing much the same CPU and GPU, there are still choices that could be made to differentiate the platforms
* 8 TF is still technically on the table, even if it seems very implausible to me (and many others)
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As the old models are discontinued and replaced by the newer models, the price can actually go up a bit as the stock runs out. This spring/summer will probably be as low as they go if you're buying it new.
Talking with my friends about PS5 is just...
They are convinced Sony is buying Bethesda, has either 8 or 14 TFs (schrodinger's TFs) and that everything is exclusive. I was told new Prince of Persia and Splinter Cell will be exclusives for PS5, this is what reading Twitter or reddit 24/7 does to you.
They are convinced Sony is buying Bethesda, has either 8 or 14 TFs (schrodinger's TFs) and that everything is exclusive. I was told new Prince of Persia and Splinter Cell will be exclusives for PS5, this is what reading Twitter or reddit 24/7 does to you.
Good work!Here's stuff I've been working on. The first image is a revised version of something I posted previously. New images of Navi 10, plus of Navi 14, have slightly changed the size estimates. This can serve as a guide for anyone who wants to "assemble" any arbitrary nextgen APU for fun.
The second image is my own current predictions, as well as alternate configurations, for both PS5 and XSX. Some of it may seem arbitrary, but I assure you there's some reasoning--specious as it may be--behind all of it. I hope it at least serves as a good jumping-off point.
Even if you ignore my choices among these options, I think there's some takeaways that should apply in general:
* Bad news for Team 14TF...it's possible, but really unlikely as it'd require so many specifics.
* Even containing much the same CPU and GPU, there are still choices that could be made to differentiate the platforms
* 8 TF is still technically on the table, even if it seems very implausible to me (and many others)
cc: Colbert
Thanks 🙏 always appreciate your well thought out and researched posts.Here's stuff I've been working on. The first image is a revised version of something I posted previously. New images of Navi 10, plus of Navi 14, have slightly changed the size estimates. This can serve as a guide for anyone who wants to "assemble" any arbitrary nextgen APU for fun.
The second image is my own current predictions, as well as alternate configurations, for both PS5 and XSX. Some of it may seem arbitrary, but I assure you there's some reasoning--specious as it may be--behind all of it. I hope it at least serves as a good jumping-off point.
Even if you ignore my choices among these options, I think there's some takeaways that should apply in general:
* Bad news for Team 14TF...it's possible, but really unlikely as it'd require so many specifics.
* Even containing much the same CPU and GPU, there are still choices that could be made to differentiate the platforms
* 8 TF is still technically on the table, even if it seems very implausible to me (and many others)
Talking with my friends about PS5 is just...
They are convinced Sony is buying Bethesda, has either 8 or 14 TFs (schrodinger's TFs) and that everything is exclusive. I was told new Prince of Persia and Splinter Cell will be exclusives for PS5, this is what reading Twitter or reddit 24/7 does to you.
Prince of Persia hahaha do they know what year it is?
White paper VS current dev kit though... who knows who knows which?
Dev kits for ps4 had Steamroller CPUs vs Retail Jaguars..
Threadmark Mecha MeisterHere's stuff I've been working on. The first image is a revised version of something I posted previously. New images of Navi 10, plus of Navi 14, have slightly changed the size estimates. This can serve as a guide for anyone who wants to "assemble" any arbitrary nextgen APU for fun.
The second image is my own current predictions, as well as alternate configurations, for both PS5 and XSX. Some of it may seem arbitrary, but I assure you there's some reasoning--specious as it may be--behind all of it. I hope it at least serves as a good jumping-off point.
Even if you ignore my choices among these options, I think there's some takeaways that should apply in general:
* Bad news for Team 14TF...it's possible, but really unlikely as it'd require so many specifics.
* Even containing much the same CPU and GPU, there are still choices that could be made to differentiate the platforms
* 8 TF is still technically on the table, even if it seems very implausible to me (and many others)
I think the bigger issue is that the memory bandwidth is insufficient in the 14TF case.
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Brilliant. Unlike the Drunk Cat itself, which seems to be slurring purrs again. The only way we get a release date and price at the reveal is if it happens in May or later - and I think Sony will opt for a slow, progressive reveal instead.
PS4 devkits never had Steamroller cores. If they did, the retail units would have. Steamroller simply wasn't ready in time to be used for PS4, hence why Sony never never went with them despite that being the original plan. So there was no way they could have appeared in PS4 devkits.
IIRC, the early PS4 devkits had 4x Bulldozer cores.
Liabe Brave Excellent work on rendering those probable scenarios.
I surmise that the 347mm2 PS5 APU rendition is still supported by 3 - SEs, albeit supporting 48CUs instead of the peak 60CUs. Given that you wrote that increasing WGPs will be detrimental to the efficiency, I take it that 3 - SEs for ~24WGP is a power/performance sweet spot.
Now, I have been told on multiple occasions here that unlike Xbox One X's dev kit which has 6.6TF power (courtesy of extra active CUs), PS4/PS4 Pro's dev kits are computationally same as retail units. Now, if that practice remains true for PS5 as well, then your estimation with blue outline may very well be on the money with less than 5% margin of error.
You, stop that. It's-dead-jim-it's-dead.
I surmise that the 347mm2 PS5 APU rendition is still supported by 3 - SEs, albeit supporting 48CUs instead of the peak 60CUs. Given that you wrote that increasing WGPs will be detrimental to the efficiency, I take it that 3 - SEs for ~24WGP is a power/performance sweet spot.
Now, I have been told on multiple occasions here that unlike Xbox One X's dev kit which has 6.6TF power (courtesy of extra active CUs), PS4/PS4 Pro's dev kits are computationally same as retail units. Now, if that practice remains true for PS5 as well, then your estimation with blue outline may very well be on the money with less than 5% margin of error.
You, stop that. It's-dead-jim-it's-dead.
This is what awesomeness look like people.Here's stuff I've been working on. The first image is a revised version of something I posted previously. New images of Navi 10, plus of Navi 14, have slightly changed the size estimates. This can serve as a guide for anyone who wants to "assemble" any arbitrary nextgen APU for fun.
The second image is my own current predictions, as well as alternate configurations, for both PS5 and XSX. Some of it may seem arbitrary, but I assure you there's some reasoning--specious as it may be--behind all of it. I hope it at least serves as a good jumping-off point.
Even if you ignore my choices among these options, I think there's some takeaways that should apply in general:
* Bad news for Team 14TF...it's possible, but really unlikely as it'd require so many specifics.
* Even containing much the same CPU and GPU, there are still choices that could be made to differentiate the platforms
* 8 TF is still technically on the table, even if it seems very implausible to me (and many others)
If they granna name the price they better show speccs to so they can justify it.
To me, it depends on what they think they are going to be best at. If they know they aren't going to compete on performance, you might get the lower price out there early for the positive buzz. If you come out first with worse performance and don't give a price... yikes. If you come out with price and talk up SSD and other features without going to specific on performance, you still come out of that event in a positive light.
I think it depends if Sony is going to have a comparable performative box on what they will reveal. We'll have a much clearer picture of who is going to come out on top, regardless, imo, given what I've said above.
Or, they give the price specifically because of the specs. The only way I see them giving us a price is if the box is not as powerful and the price is $400, undercutting the XSX.
Ya I have to pretend to be dumb talking games to with coworkers. The shit they come up with is ridiculous.Talking with my friends about PS5 is just...
They are convinced Sony is buying Bethesda, has either 8 or 14 TFs (schrodinger's TFs) and that everything is exclusive. I was told new Prince of Persia and Splinter Cell will be exclusives for PS5, this is what reading Twitter or reddit 24/7 does to you.
You think May or later? Holy moly that's a long time from now!
I really don't think the Sony reveal is going to be in February. I think they would have announced it when they announced they weren't going to E3. It must be further out and note entirely locked down at this point. With them not going to E3, they have unlimited options. If I were them, I'd opt for a multi-day PSX in early July with a State of Plays to begin each day and a series of interviews and gameplay demos, but that seems very unlikely. We'll probably get a traditional Playstation Meeting in May and a couple State of Plays to iron out the details as we approach the console's launch and show off some games.
No, both flavors of PS5 and the "max Navi" version of XSX are only 2 SEs each. The PS5 prediction layout is over 10 WGPs per SE, which is why it also says "efficiency may be reduced". The biggest XSX variant has 16 WGPs per SE, which is why it says "at low efficiency". That is, its TF rating might be overstating how powerful it is in real application.
Of course, there are ways to mitigate this by increasing cache sizes, etc., as seen in the Navi 5500 variant. If there's enough demand maybe I'll throw together another XSX variant showing this.
Protip: I dunno if anyone's told you yet, but Sony's not here, mate.
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