Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA

What do you think could be the memory setup of your preferred console, or one of the new consoles?


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Phonzo

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They're definitely going to be close, they share practically the exact same architecture.

Either way, it doesn't really matter all that much in the end. I'd argue that most people already know which platform they will buy next regardless of the power difference. Even price is not a huge factor as I don't see the price difference being more than $50 between the two competitors.
Like i dont even care about the power difference between the Pro and OneX. Its the build quality that made me feel its worth the price increase. The dead silentness, the build itself, controller.
 

BreakAtmo

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This seems more impressive than I would've thought. Is there much chance of AMD's Content Aware Sharpening appearing in the consoles? Possibly even an enhanced version tailored to specific games?
 

Metalane

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These are most likely my final predictions for the PS5 until the official reveal (PSX 2019):

Price: $499

GPU: 9-13 RDNA TFLOPS
CPU: 8-core 16 Threaded Zen 2 (3.2 GHz)
RAM: 24 GB (20 GB usable for devs) of unknown type or speed
SSD: 1 TB with 5 GB/s+ write speeds

Edit: I’ll continue to add different smaller hardware features.
 

Gamer17

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Did anyone try fire strike with Navi 5700 / xt paired with ryzen 3 clocked at 3.2 GHz to see which one scores above 20000 in firestrike test ??
5700 or 5700xt or even better than those ?
 

bcatwilly

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Not saying you did, just adding to your post. :)

Matt didn't even say Xbox would be more powerful, it was a guess that Microsoft would not want to relinquish the power battle.
While this whole topic is likely pointless, to be accurate that is not how Matt presented it. He clearly said "educated guess" and put the words in bold, so the inclusion of the word educated doesn't point toward just purely guessing based on public statements about Xbox wanting to aim for more powerful.
 

sncvsrtoip

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klik

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These are most likely my final predictions for the PS5 until the official reveal (PSX 2019):

Price: $499

GPU: 9-13 RDNA TFLOPS
CPU: 8-core 16 Threaded Zen 2 (3.2 GHz)
RAM: 24 GB (20 GB usable for devs) of unknown type or speed
SSD: 1 TB with 5 GB/s+ write speeds

Edit: I’ll continue to add different smaller hardware features.
I dont think we'll get more than 9 RDNA TF. Even if we get 8 RDNA TF it will be fine,its somewhere between Vega 64 and GTX 2070.

Even if we get 8 RDNA TF + 8 core Ryzen+ 16gb GDDR6 +SSD it will be a great next gen machine. Anything above that is amazing.
10 RDNA TF would be holly shit
 

M3rcy

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I still don't agree with separate threads. Segregation < Learning to coexist with people who don't share your point of view.
 
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This seems pretty childish to admit honestly. Then again I find the whole concept of ignore lists (over petty differences of opinion) mind boggling and a little pointless when others quote someone on the "list".
Agreeee

Why do peopel mute others on a forum is beyond me, on a game i understand because of all the kids
TBH gents, ignore lists have been a godsend for being able to weed out the stifling posts of certain posters whose platform bias constantly and consistently turns every discussion into console wars.

When you know then, they're relentless in their lack of objectivity, even to abandonment of common sense, being able to place them on ignore makes the thread and forum in general much more readable.

That said, VX1, makes consistently positive contributions to this thread and on the sliding scale of platform bias I wouldn't even be able to identify him with a side if I wanted to... i.e. he seems like a very reasonable and objective poster. As others have said, you'd miss a lot of the more meaningful discussion in the thread if you block him.

If the SSD drive is not user upgradable I wonder if we'll get SKUs further down the line with bigger drives?
Oh of course. SSD prices will get cheaper, so the capacity in later SKUs will invariably go up.

I still don't agree with separate threads. Segregation < Learning to coexist with people who don't share your point of view.
You have more faith in Era posters than I do (well the Era posters that are actively looking to engage in console wars at least).

That said, as much as I'd argue the previous solely PS5 focussed thread had less of the silly platform wars BS, it wasn't immune. And it does make me curious which of threads the more educated voices would prefer to engage in if we ended up with two separate threads; in that you may end up with more in one than the other, reducing the signal to noise ratio in the poorer thread.

I think platform-specific threads can sometime turn into echo chambers by drawing in more of the less desireable folks than a general thread. So i'm happy to keep things as is.
 
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AegonSnake

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Did anyone try fire strike with Navi 5700 / xt paired with ryzen 3 clocked at 3.2 GHz to see which one scores above 20000 in firestrike test ??
5700 or 5700xt or even better than those ?
you can just go to the website and search for those GPUs and CPUs.

The best result was 23k with a 27k graphics score. 1k higher than my rtx 2080 but it seems they had the core clock at 2.1 ghz for this card.

When pairing the RTX 2080 with a 3700X, the highest score is 24k with the graphics score being 29k. The highest RTX 2070 super score is 22k with a 25k graphics score.

So
2070 Super > 5700 XT > 2800.

I will look up time spy next but this card is amazing.

EDIT: Timespy scores arent as great.

Graphics scores only:
5700XT - 9.6
2070 Super - 10.3
2080 - 12.2
 

Gamer17

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you can just go to the website and search for those GPUs and CPUs.

The best result was 23k with a 27k graphics score. 1k higher than my rtx 2080 but it seems they had the core clock at 2.1 ghz for this card.

When pairing the RTX 2080 with a 3700X, the highest score is 24k with the graphics score being 29k. The highest RTX 2070 super score is 22k with a 25k graphics score.

So
2070 Super > 5700 XT > 2800.

I will look up time spy next but this card is amazing.
But thsoe are high clocks for gpu.we should see if anyone done 1.8 GHz for gpu and 3.2 for cpu and see with those two if we get over 20000 overall firestrike
 

Philippo

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I wonder if they can have 1TB SSD inside the console, and then having an extra empty slot inside for a secondary internal HDD.
This way the base system will have all the games readily available to read with no loading, and if a user wants he has to insert a 2nd HDD and have to go through the initial "swapping" between the two drives the first time it loads a game back into the console as mentioned in previous users posts.
This way you could also sell a base 1TB SSD base SKU plus a second, 1TBSSD+1/2TBHDD SKU.
 

AegonSnake

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But thsoe are high clocks for gpu.we should see if anyone done 1.8 GHz for gpu and 3.2 for cpu and see with those two if we get over 20000 overall firestrike
Closest i can find is this one at 1.89 ghz.


Overall 21k.
Graphics 25k.

Timespy scores arent as great.

Graphics scores only:
5700XT - 9.6
2070 Super - 10.3
2080 - 12.2
 

Metalane

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I wonder if they can have 1TB SSD inside the console, and then having an extra empty slot inside for a secondary internal HDD.
This way the base system will have all the games readily available to read with no loading, and if a user wants he has to insert a 2nd HDD and have to go through the initial "swapping" between the two drives the first time it loads a game back into the console as mentioned in previous users posts.
This way you could also sell a base 1TB SSD base SKU plus a second, 1TBSSD+1/2TBHDD SKU.
While I doubt it’s possible especially with next-gen games but having no loading screens even when even booting up a game would be incredible. You just click and your in. It would be an experience no ones ever felt before. It would also make deciding which game to play a lot easier.
 

sncvsrtoip

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Closest i can find is this one at 1.89 ghz.


Overall 21k.
Graphics 25k.

Timespy scores arent as great.

Graphics scores only:
5700XT - 9.6
2070 Super - 10.3
2080 - 12.2
This overallscore strongly depands on cpu so 3700x boosting to 4 391 MHz is not great equivalent of gonzalo 3.2ghz
 

AegonSnake

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This overallscore strongly depands on cpu so 3700x boosting to 4 391 MHz is not great equivalent of gonzalo 3.2ghz
even the graphics score?
Good news from CD PR about Cyberpunk & consoles:

Cyberpunk 2077 will look just as good on PS5 and Project Scarlett as most PCs
lol. i bet it will look like shit on current gen consoles though.
 

Metalane

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CatAssTrophy

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Good news from CD PR about Cyberpunk & consoles:

Cyberpunk 2077 will look just as good on PS5 and Project Scarlett as most PCs
I think this is just speculation by TechRadar that PS5/XBS versions are in the works. CDPR has already commented that they are focusing on current consoles for now and haven't confirmed any plans for nextgen. Just that the current gen versions should technically work via BC on nextgen.

I mean I doubt they won't make nextgen console versions of CP2077 but the article just seems like speculation and wishful thinking at the moment and trying to pass it off as confirmation for clicks with that headline.
 

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I still think it is pretty funny how things instantly settled down the moment he said that lol.

You had folk who have never posted in these threads show up once that 'PS5 is stronger' thing started making rounds. Matt says he feels Next Box will be stronger? They gone. ⚰
Funny how that works :D
 

sncvsrtoip

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I heard relation of person that watched new gamplay after e3 2019 of Cyberpunk. Graphic is ok but it's not new quality at all(there are better looking games), is curentgen title so will look ok on ps4 and xone.
 

Pheonix

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Finding it hard to believe that no one has taken a ryzen 7 CPU, downclocked it to 3.2Ghz or even 3Ghz, pair it to a 5700/5700XT and run that fire strike test.

I'm looking at you DF. Do this for us instead of giving us comparison videos of hoe journey runs on PC
 

Gamer17

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Finding it hard to believe that no one has taken a ryzen 7 CPU, downclocked it to 3.2Ghz or even 3Ghz, pair it to a 5700/5700XT and run that fire strike test.

I'm looking at you DF. Do this for us instead of giving us comparison videos of hoe journey runs on PC
Haha exactly
Let's find out where the gpu for Gonzalo stands
Paging Dark1x
 

AegonSnake

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Well yeah,i thought the same about RDR2 and in the end i was pleasantly surprised.
CDPR is not R*,of course,but i'll give them the benefit of the doubt.I hope they learned a lot from Witcher 3 experience.
eh. i dont trust them at all. they completely changed the renderer for witcher 3 after the initial showing. the first gameplay footage of cyberpunk looks way too good to be true. i refuse to believe that can be done on current gen consoles. it will be downgraded to hell and back.

what will be interesting to see is if they will also downgrade the pc version like they did with witcher 3 by changing the renderer for the pc version as well. with next gen consoles coming out, i hope they keep the pc version looking as good as last year's footage and aim to port that version to the ps5 and x2.
So Gonzalo is probably based on 5700xt but that CPU is 4.4 GHz and not 3.2.
we don't know graphics score of gonzalo
this only bodes well for gonzolo though. if the overall score of gonzolo was over 20k with a 3.2 ghz CPU that means the gpu is at least just as strong as the 5700 XT or much more stronger than that.
 

Samurai G0SU

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wasnt there a theory going around that the actual SSD would be smaller than 1TB and an actual HDD would be used for storing game data?

More so since the mention of using the SSD as "virtual ram" instead of just noting larger storage?

IDK why i can see bullet points where it shows off the size of the SSD and speed and then an additional option of how much Hard Drive space is available, like 1tb or 2tb.
 

sncvsrtoip

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Finding it hard to believe that no one has taken a ryzen 7 CPU, downclocked it to 3.2Ghz or even 3Ghz, pair it to a 5700/5700XT and run that fire strike test.

I'm looking at you DF. Do this for us instead of giving us comparison videos of hoe journey runs on PC
Haha exactly, Dictator DF check firestirke 1080p general score with ryzen 7 3700x downclocked to 3.2ghz with 5700 and 5700xt
 

i-Lo

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I meant something similar to NVIDIA's solution in the RTX series, a small part of the CU is designed to handle RT and most of the CU is the usual rasterization machine that we are used to seeing. Every CU has some part which is dedicated to RT, just like NVIDIA's SM:
Okay, so this would mean actual HW design alteration at CU level to do something like that. From what I have read, Tensor Cores are something akin to Blackbox and so there is no actual breakdown of how nVidia designed it beyond documentations provided by them that show how to make it work efficiently (afaik).

On the AMD side of things, I think they had a patent about some "Hybrid" version of the RT. Now whether that would necessitate in apportionment of existing CUs into something akin to tensor cores or having separate set of CUs in their own cluster dedicated to RT or something else is unknown to me.

Whatever the case may be, the die size will most likely not be 251mm2.
 

Gamer17

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eh. i dont trust them at all. they completely changed the renderer for witcher 3 after the initial showing. the first gameplay footage of cyberpunk looks way too good to be true. i refuse to believe that can be done on current gen consoles. it will be downgraded to hell and back.

what will be interesting to see is if they will also downgrade the pc version like they did with witcher 3 by changing the renderer for the pc version as well. with next gen consoles coming out, i hope they keep the pc version looking as good as last year's footage and aim to port that version to the ps5 and x2.


this only bodes well for gonzolo though. if the overall score of gonzolo was over 20k with a 3.2 ghz CPU that means the gpu is at least just as strong as the 5700 XT or much more stronger than that.
Yea to me it looks like what ever Gonzalo is , it's minimum 5700xt level or stronger and let's not forget those Gonzalo results are for engineering samples.final versions most probably will improve even further
 

PLASTICA-MAN

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These are most likely my final predictions for the PS5 until the official reveal (PSX 2019):

Price: $499

GPU: 9-13 RDNA TFLOPS
CPU: 8-core 16 Threaded Zen 2 (3.2 GHz)
RAM: 24 GB (20 GB usable for devs) of unknown type or speed
SSD: 1 TB with 5 GB/s+ write speeds

Edit: I’ll continue to add different smaller hardware features.
The most realistic specs/price so far. Don't be surprised if it gets some features a little higher like the Tflops and/or the SSD size.
 

i-Lo

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Closest i can find is this one at 1.89 ghz.


Overall 21k.
Graphics 25k.

Timespy scores arent as great.

Graphics scores only:
5700XT - 9.6
2070 Super - 10.3
2080 - 12.2
It would be nice if the CPU was downclocked to 3GHz and the 5700 to ~1700MHz and 5700XT to ~1600 and run the tests again.
 

TetraGenesis

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Outside of taking a massive loss, I don’t see how Sony could possibly sell the PS5 for $400.

From inflation alone, the $400 USD that the PS4 cost at launch would be $440 today (not to mention fall 2020!). To keep up the appearance of price parity, this supposed super console would sell for $40 less than the PS4. Then you add in the threat of crazy trump tariffs, the likelihood of taking a loss even at $450+ with the rumored specs, the outrageously high marketing cost during US presidential election season, the advantageous position they hold over their direct competitor, etc. etc.

I would think 449 with three months of Plus or something would maybe be a compromise, but that feels way too messy for Sony. (Can you imagine how challenging it would be to communicate that value? Plus they will have already lost the benefit of the 3 at the start of 399.)

So, maybe they are exploring the possibility of $399 and trying to make it work with their engineering. But, again, unless they take a substantial loss (and I mean substantial), I don’t get how they could make this console for that price.

Now, if Sony wants to shoulder that much of the cost, be my guest. I certainly wouldn’t mind a $400 machine, as long as it isn’t built as a $400 machine
 

BradGrenz

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this would fit with MS talking about their SSD as virtual ram while cerny is talking about the SSD as a means of eliminating loading and streaming assets as fast as possible.
basically MS are planning to use the SSD as an actual additional ram which they write to a lot, while the SSD based off sony's patents will mostly read data very fast.
wonder what will developers favor more.
i do fear that writing to the SSD that much might increase the likelyhood of a SSD fault.
Page files suck as a rule. Even if on an SSD. Bragging about needing virtual RAM in Scarlett is a bizarre flex for MS. It suggests to me they expect the PS5 to have more RAM. Devs will absolutely prefer greater read speed. You don't need to resort to virtual RAM when you can load data on demand more efficiently.
 

Thera

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I heard relation of person that watched new gamplay after e3 2019 of Cyberpunk. Graphic is ok but it's not new quality at all(there are better looking games), is curentgen title so will look ok on ps4 and xone.
The french gamesite I follow (gamekult) clearly state that the e3 demo 2019 doesn't match the e3 demo 2018. He thinks the 2018 version was a vertical slice.
 

VX1

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Outside of taking a massive loss, I don’t see how Sony could possibly sell the PS5 for $400.
I agree ,if they kept late 2019 launch there is no way they could avoid 499 price with Zen2+Navi 10+SSD+GDDR6.
But we are talking now about late 2020 launch and that is a different story,none of the tech in PS5 will be new by then-next year this time AMD will have Zen3,Navi 20 or whatever,price of SSD and memory will go down,so i think 399 price (with some smallish 50-100 loss) will be possible.
 

modiz

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Page files suck as a rule. Even if on an SSD. Bragging about needing virtual RAM in Scarlett is a bizarre flex for MS. It suggests to me they expect the PS5 to have more RAM. Devs will absolutely prefer greater read speed. You don't need to resort to virtual RAM when you can load data on demand more efficiently.
Interesting way to look at it
 

Andromeda

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Page files suck as a rule. Even if on an SSD. Bragging about needing virtual RAM in Scarlett is a bizarre flex for MS. It suggests to me they expect the PS5 to have more RAM. Devs will absolutely prefer greater read speed. You don't need to resort to virtual RAM when you can load data on demand more efficiently.
It's not bizarre. It's a diversion. Hey our SSD is not a relatively slow PC SSD (compared to fully custom PS5 SSD with x GB of dedicated cache + custom file system ) : it's a "custom" SSD. Custom, like PS5 custom SSD.
 

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This seems more impressive than I would've thought. Is there much chance of AMD's Content Aware Sharpening appearing in the consoles? Possibly even an enhanced version tailored to specific games?
I am curious if AMD’s lag reduction will get increased focus on consoles. With this feature, VRR, QFT, ALLM, 240 Hz and esports all being buzzwords, this area may see some increased focus too. I don’t think I’ve ever seen PS4 compared to XB1 lag.
 

Pheonix

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I agree ,if they kept late 2019 launch there is no way they could avoid 499 price with Zen2+Navi 10+SSD+GDDR6.
But we are talking now about late 2020 launch and that is a different story,none of the tech in PS5 will be new by then-next year this time AMD will have Zen3,Navi 20 or whatever,price of SSD and memory will go down,so i think 399 price (with some smallish 50-100 loss) will be possible.
I asked ths before and you conveniently ignored it so I wil ask it again.

Has it occurred to you that waiting till 2020 was the only way they could get to sell a system like what the PS5 is shaping out to be for $499?

Has it crossed your mind that $499 is what they get when they give the current gen a year extra so prices can go down a bit more on next-gen components?
 
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