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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA
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I see this all the time. Why don't people just say gaf? Insecurity?
I thought he meant 2 x 1X = anaconda.
So 12 gcn tflops would be 9.6navi tflops
Also 4 x 1s with NAVi would be 4.8tflops because of the 1.25x ppc
A TF is a TF, independent of the architecture. But I was talking about performance per clock of a first generation RDNA GPU
I get the impression, that the minset would be very different if the feature was exclusive to next gen XB platform.
I am fascinated that bunch of people expected they won't have to pay full price and buy new games in order to stream them and that they can get new AAA blockbusters on some ~ $10/month streaming service.
Sams' talk about target performance multipliers tells me these won't be straight power multiples.
I am surprised I get so many (serious) responses on a comment that begins with "⚠Wishful thinking ahead ⚠"!
But I love it! 🕶
But I love it! 🕶
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Expecting some aaa new releases included with the sub does seem somewhat feasible. MS and EA are doing it with their 1st party titles in their subscription things.
Of course-it sounds reasonable only if Google is publisher and fully finances game development (just like MS,EA etc.)
1.You want something revolutionary? That was Cell (difficult to deal with) and Xenos (first unified shader graphics card on any platform).
2. Microsoft's emphasis on gaming comes from upstairs. Phil Spencer finally is answering to someone that believes in gaming as opposed to someone that never invested in it. Shane Kim, Peter Moore etc had the backing of Microsoft in the 360 era, and they invested a lot in games, including Japanese titles that never pushed sales in the market they were designed for. That games will come is not a question of if, but rather when.
3. Lisa Su is a businesswoman. She will praise both parties in public, any opportunity she gets.
Yep anyone that thought 3rd parties were going put there games there day 1 for sub money were kidding there self.
As rich as google is there not going to eat that cost because it damn a lot of money .
PCIe comes from the IO die, not the CPU chiplet. Xbox almost certainly won't use a standard issue IO die.
They're going to get their asses handed to them by xCloud/gamepass if that's seriously their strategy.
This tread is so depressing with all the non-experts expressing opinion as fact...it needs something new and meaty to chew on!
No, it's just we all need to learn to read better.
Lost badly based on what metric exactly?
Yeah, that's the only difference!
No, it's just we all need to learn to read better.
Lost badly based on what metric exactly?
Yeah, that's the only difference!
Jez just told me that this information was leaked beforehand the stream in 2 hours. I have asked for a link and maybe he comes back to me so I can shre it here. If it is a real leak Stadia may be DOA indeed.PCIe comes from the IO die, not the CPU chiplet. Xbox almost certainly won't use a standard issue IO die.
They're going to get their asses handed to them by xCloud/gamepass if that's seriously their strategy.
Hw design (size, dissipation, loudness etc)
Power (cpu,gpu,ram,memory bandwidth, etc)
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Slightly off topic but T-Minus 2 hours till the Stadia E3 conference starts, actually hoping that they show off some next gen games then.
You must have missed this ....
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Hardly surprising considering it released a year later with a significantly higher price!
Please tell me this is not hard information. Otherwise, well, you can remove one player from the market for me. Pointless.
A Sony SSD patent! This is for network accessed devices though.
Tone-mapping.
Virtual memory address mapping. This is application directed rather than OS directed, and there is greater control over allocating more space.
Compiler and linker improvements
Tone-mapping.
Virtual memory address mapping. This is application directed rather than OS directed, and there is greater control over allocating more space.
Compiler and linker improvements
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I wonder if Stadia will get any exclusive games. With subscription AND need to buy games, I would think no publisher would give the exclusivity unless they pay a shit ton of money.
Maybe they have internal studios though.
Maybe they have internal studios though.
But won on time to market and price so it really depends on your metrics doesn't it? It's why the X vs Pro arguments are kinda silly - if the X was released at the same time and price as the Pro it would probably be similar in power and vice versa.
Which is mainly the reason most of us believe Anaconda and the PS5 will be fairly similar in terms of RAM, CPU and TF - they're all dealing with very known quantities. If they release at a similar time and for a similar price it is unlikely there'll be a large difference - they're both going to be using Zen 2, Navi and have HBM, DDR4 and GDDR6 which they can each evaluate. There is no "secret sauce" there to give one a huge advantage over the other.
It's the custom hardware that may differentiate, if there is any.
BH
Like is hardly surprising that ps4 was more powerful because good part of the boom was for the integrated Kinect? We should stop to find excuses .listen...to cut it fast I said in fact ...in a post before this that this time will be interesting because we have Panay (on who I blindly bet..after I seen what he produced on the entire surface line and both the s and x xbox) and cerny who was the supervisor for PS4 and the pro. Let's see who will do better )
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Stadia detailed leak
Era thread: https://www.resetera.com/threads/ru...e-launch-details-line-up.121269/post-21485904
Edit: beaten by FSavage
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Stadia detailed leak
Source: https://kotaku.com/google-stadia-pricing-leaks-will-have-both-subscriptio-1835294433kotaku.com said:
Era thread: https://www.resetera.com/threads/ru...e-launch-details-line-up.121269/post-21485904
Edit: beaten by FSavage
Well yeah, its all about the entry price point. $150 is way too high, but they can easily get a $100 version out there with a controller and chromecast.
If a casual looks at that $150 and compares it to the $500 xbox two and ps5, why wouldnt they go with the $150 streaming device?
But also PS4 was cheaper which offset the Kinect, even with Kinect removed the prices were the same.
I don't doubt this time will be different, but anyone thinking there will be some significant difference in the way the games look (ie resolutions, effects and frame-rate) are likely going to be disappointed. And I suspect that's why Sony have looked to something that could be a real game changer. I'm not saying MS don't have their own game changer/USP (of course), just saying the SSD (or rather their proprietary aspect of it) is likely Sonys USP.
The exclusive games they will get will be the ones the fund unless we talking about smaller games.
lol that Canadian paper that broke the embargo removed the article-it's not available anymore:
Wait why is google stadia information in here? Streaming has nothing to do with the PS5 or the next xbox.
People are going to be in for a big shock when Microsoft stops putting their brand new games on Game Pass once the service takes off.
That said, having to buy a console, subscribe AND buy games without the ability to download is really shite and could sink Stadia by itself.
That said, having to buy a console, subscribe AND buy games without the ability to download is really shite and could sink Stadia by itself.
You could see it as another next gen gaming platform. That's the reason.
Because it's streaming which you'd need super fast connection for and in some places you can't get it or it's expensive...and what if your connection is down (etc) !?
The subscription is to get free games a la game pass. You can stream games you purchase without a subscription.
I expect both MS and Sony will having streaming aspect next gen .
The only question is how deep they going to go .
Stadia already at disadvantage since they only streaming.
not fast enough for the wayback machine : https://web.archive.org/web/2019060...dia-jouer-grace-a-linfonuagique-pour-169-.php
well then its not for them. besides, thats not what i meant.
Sorry I meant for just playing yourself, no streaming, obviously a limitation of a streaming box
Though this will be 100% the case with xCloud and neo-PSNow as well to be fair. The first proper generation of game streaming is going to be a bit rubbish.
EDIT: By the above, I mean xCloud and neoPSNow games not played on native hardware at least
It was discussed. We are almost certain PlayStation will have one SKU
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