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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA
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It's ssd-backed virtualization of data and assets in general I guess. In the PS5 'ssd patent' thread I floated ideas of more ambitious rethinking of speed/space trade offs in memory hierarchies next gen if the storage is fast enough. Talk of virtual ram kind of confirms to me that we may be looking at that, which is kind of exciting :)
It would also make the ssd and IO performance a potentially important part of the performance puzzle next gen if the expectation is that games will lean in heavily on the use of storage throughput.
It has nothing to do with drivers and everything to do with Kepler aging badly in recent engines & games. A result of consoles having AMD gpus. On older games & engines the 780ti stil beats a 970.
Yes, a 1070 can't match an OC'd 980Ti. I don't see how that's relevant though. A stock 1070 is 10% faster than a 980Ti.
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Just more PR talking head nonsense.
Its literally just SWAP RAM. Basically, part of the SSD will be sectioned off to be used as a kinda virtual RAM. Its been on PCs forever and its a no brainer that it will be in the next gen consoles especially if you have SSDs. More importantly, this pretty much confirms (or strongly suggests) that we won't be seeing anywhere near 24GB of RAM. Probably more like 16GB-18GB or something like that.
He mentioned audio, but i think both will use ray tracing via compute & call that hardware ray tracing. Nvidia's tech is likely to be exclusive to them because they spend billions on that for ai then transitioned that to their GPU's, AMD hasn't done that.
I said he semi confirmed .and if u read the thread and the post I posted u can see why I saw it that way before he cleared it up saying both are aiming high. (In the thread about ps5 being mroe powerful he replied : "there is a reason why MS didn't mention TF ;) " . What do u make of that ?
Anyways back on topic.
Hope we get more info tomorrow at AMD briefing
Specs are looking good for MS, i'm curious of how sony would beat that.
Still the halo trailer really dissapointed me, as they showed it was for next gen but it looked worst than cyberpunk and others they showed on current gen. I really hoped for a open scene trailer for next gen and not a current gen game look a like in a spaceship. I hope they will do something lile nintendo direct and share new footages of next gen games
Still the halo trailer really dissapointed me, as they showed it was for next gen but it looked worst than cyberpunk and others they showed on current gen. I really hoped for a open scene trailer for next gen and not a current gen game look a like in a spaceship. I hope they will do something lile nintendo direct and share new footages of next gen games
You can add 4 generations of backwards compatibility content and Crossplatform play with other companies to that list too which were also confirmed with the Scarlet teaser.
For me personally it's not really important as I'll buy both systems, however I will say that the group of people I play with only have and will buy one console. I get asked all the time if there's something known about when the next console will arrive and which one will be the most powerful.
These are people that have switched before from Playstation to Xbox and then back. It basically seems to go in a pattern; me and 1 or two others in the group buy a console at launch based mostly on which is most powerful and then the rest follows in the months after.
I really think that being the most powerful matters more than most like to admit and it really helped Playstation a lot this gen.
These are people that have switched before from Playstation to Xbox and then back. It basically seems to go in a pattern; me and 1 or two others in the group buy a console at launch based mostly on which is most powerful and then the rest follows in the months after.
I really think that being the most powerful matters more than most like to admit and it really helped Playstation a lot this gen.
What does have to do with what I wrote ?replied to wrong message ?
I wonder how each platforms ray tracing implementations will differ.
We now know scarlett will have hardware accelerated RT, I wonder if that something amd is working on or something more custom form ms?
We now know scarlett will have hardware accelerated RT, I wonder if that something amd is working on or something more custom form ms?
Sony could beat it by being more opaque and misleading with their power comparisons.
This! Thank you! The metric for is unknown. However, to many folks who are not tech savvy or technically minded and were sold Scorpio with "6 TF" as primary marketing push, this would indeed be, to put it kindly, confusing especially given they also specified the performance gains on storage front being 40 times that of current gen machine.
hw rt, probably 384bit 24 gdd6, ssd, 4x xonex perf and they still not sure that will end up faster than ps5, nextgen consoles sounds really good ;)
I wonder if anyone with a keen eye can confirm if there is DDR4 or not? cause that means some GDDR6 will be moved to the OS, i would rather discuss this than shit fling about leaks of PS5's power when in all honesty it's just gonna be a similar Navi GPU.
Shareplay doesn't work with all games. Remote play does and we been doing it since vita. If there was ever a time for the what year is this.gif it would be now.
No he didn't, please stop with this nonsense.
Lol more lies, you clearly said matt confirmed PS5 is more powerful.
This thread goes places. Tomorrow should be fun too.
Why do you assume that it will differ?
Until we get another year of so and so console is better than so and so console because of secret sauce ; )
So as a recap for Scarlett,
CPU: latest Zen 2
GPU: latest Navi
RAM: GDDR6
Storage: SSD (to be used as virtual RAM)
RT: hardware accelerated
Supports: 8K, up to 120fps, VRR
Did I miss anything else?
Nothing specific was said about SSD outside of its use as virtual RAM. Im gonna guess Sony's is better only because it was demoed and had a bit more info on it.
Im assuming Xbox using Dolby for the audio. Let's see how that measures up to Sony's 3D audio tech.
I am curious as to why MS didn't specifically say 8-core Zen 2.
CPU: latest Zen 2
GPU: latest Navi
RAM: GDDR6
Storage: SSD (to be used as virtual RAM)
RT: hardware accelerated
Supports: 8K, up to 120fps, VRR
Did I miss anything else?
Nothing specific was said about SSD outside of its use as virtual RAM. Im gonna guess Sony's is better only because it was demoed and had a bit more info on it.
Im assuming Xbox using Dolby for the audio. Let's see how that measures up to Sony's 3D audio tech.
I am curious as to why MS didn't specifically say 8-core Zen 2.
I know that. Obviously. But he has a lot of friends who are devs, eitherway, maybe he won't share some numbers even if maybe he knows something
Performance metric.not TF number.thentest the ran on x and Scarlet , ran 4 times better on scarlet.combinatiin of gpu , cpu, ram, SSD etc..
Still sticking with my prediction that they'll have a one SKU launch. They came to their senses.
Use your head. That's 1.5 times the power of a 2080 Ti which AMD can't match (let alone beat) with a big, hot, dGPU.
They're clearly talking about overall system capability, but they know their BS will work on some percentage of the population.
If they are roughly the same power and price then Playstations more global following will probably be the difference, we should still see scenes of germans kicking the shit out of each other on day 1.
Indeed. I suspect they will be using the same implementation. Probably from AMD.
I have no idea about Ps5 performance, but with 672GB/s bandwidth the next Xbox performance range is what I expected.
12 - 14TF was my range for Anaconda.
You know the RAM configuration was shown?
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He didn't what ? He specifically said that .here :
Not gonna respond to this anymore.so let's agree to disagree.kthanxbi
What specs? MS basically repeated what Cerny said in his Wired article.
no one knows how Microsoft go that number. they could be factoring in cloud computing, which would be a stupid move on their part but saying 4x is a mistake itself. sure it probably gets sony wondering wtf and will make this thread interesting in the coming months but because the final unit wont be 4x an X(TF wise), there will be people complaining it's downgraded or Microsoft lied no matter what.
Anyone else think the Halo graphics were a little underwhelming for next gen?
The lighting was great (ray tracing in action) but aside from that I could almost believe it's current gen.
The lighting was great (ray tracing in action) but aside from that I could almost believe it's current gen.
The issue is that halo didnt looked any better as all most current gen aaa titles. It needs to lift the bar in realistic gfx somethin more like this https://youtu.be/J3ue35ago3Y ingame, otherwise it will be just current gen with high res
Finally a lot of the bullshit that has plagued these discussions for months has been put to rest and the anaconda powerhouse dream is over.
Both consoles will be based around the same key amd technologies. I doubt there will be meaningful differences as both companies are totally aligned on the same priorities (Zen CPU, Navi GPU with ray tracing and fast load times with SSD). To get a significant power difference a significant price difference would be required but it seems both are targeting the high end in the same way.
On this matter....what about the Lockheart SKU? Did they decide just to focus on their top model to make headlines for now or they scrapped it or maybe it simply didn't exist?
Both consoles will be based around the same key amd technologies. I doubt there will be meaningful differences as both companies are totally aligned on the same priorities (Zen CPU, Navi GPU with ray tracing and fast load times with SSD). To get a significant power difference a significant price difference would be required but it seems both are targeting the high end in the same way.
On this matter....what about the Lockheart SKU? Did they decide just to focus on their top model to make headlines for now or they scrapped it or maybe it simply didn't exist?
I would have liked some kind of smaller focused tech demo, but i suppose that might give too much away.
24TF is impossible, it's 4x because they are counting the CPU improvements, it's the same marketing as "the highest quality pixels"
1. They referred to the One X as a "monster", so it's in reference to that.
2. It's not gonna be 24tf, lol.
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