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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA
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It's how it already works on the X. If a game has variable resolution it will max out on the X. If it has an unlocked frame rate it will max out.
You get benefits depending upon the game.
Ah okay then, read too much into it lol.
I think Square Enix will probably leave that character in past. I don't think they have any intention of RT her.
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Define advanced? Those rops lack features found in the Pro(and there's half of them), and while I'd attribute that to design goals(not pursuing 'advancement') the question still stands.
I honestly don't believe that MS and Sony doesn't know about each dev kits and target, I mean both are out with the devs and am pretty sure both of them have good connection and friends developing for both so it's not hard to have an idea about the competition specs
We'll see what happens, but I'm skeptical this will ever go in to consumer hardware. I don't doubt they can pull a 2nm node off, but at what cost?
Somewhere between the Vega 64 and the RTX 2070 with HW RT is the most likely scenario for the Next Gen graphics card.
More likely additional boost mode (higher frame rates again, super-super sampling :) )
Quoting myself, here's a transcript:
G: What we saw there that's running on prototype hardware of what Scarlett will look like?
A: Halo Infinite is running in the slipstream engine, that's actually in engine, in game
G: And is that a quality level...
A: That's in game, that's actually in game footage
G: And at the scale that's running on Scarlett hardware?
A: We're working on getting the dev kits out for Scarlett and performance and all that, so I don't think we want to say this is what Scarlett spec looks like quite yet but the nice thing about Scarlett, huge increase in processing power, that's going to enable us to deliver not just native 4K but also 120 frames, we talked about being 40x faster with a solid state drive... so not just graphical improvements
They said Hardware Ray Tracing. That might be cores, that might be specifically engineered hardware outside of the core that just do RT, who knows! It's Hardware Based, therefore it's the best option for high performance RT.
He indeed said he would put out info about it after the DF Direct! So should be soon.
Lets prey to god then that Sony releases some info around PSX as like you imply it will just be the same conversations repeated every 3 days at least until next E3. The main problem as it seams are "insiders" are just mudding the waters.
I bet the planning discussions on going to the moon were less LOL.
Cheers. So long as I haven't missed it. Been doing a lot of early hour starts for work and have lost my time bearings....
I wouldn't go that far, but it is telling they already moved the BC team on. Scarlett should be able to equal the Xbox One X out of the box because of the shared architectures. They can just brute force it. If they're working on BC now, it's to enhance performance beyond equalling X1X IMO.
I am a bit puzzled cause he said he will talk with AMD PR people about next gen consoles,or something like that,right?
I wonder what makes him think AMD will discuss those things publicly...it's odd. Lisa & co. were very careful with their next gen console statements.I can't believe they will suddenly go into tech details without Sony/MS talking first about it.
Yeah but even software accelerated ray tracing has to run on HARDWARE too.
So seems like RT Cores is the gold standard.
From what Richard said right at the end of the last DF Direct, he and others poured over the slides and how they relate specifically to PS5 and maybe Scarlett.
My immediate thoughts went back to the rumours of Navi being made for PS5. I've always thought that was wrong and more think it was confused because Sony simply started work with AMD on PS5 first.
Hopefully later today we get the video.
I would highly question my source if that's what came out of their mouth.
One would assume the perf 8x Zen 2 cores gives them should allow them to eventually be able to emulate XB360 fully -- so provide a universal emulator that runs every game at full speed.
I guess the eDRAM+ROPs arrangement of the 360 may inject some timing inconsistencies that might still cause issues in some games? I dunno
I'm ready for those too. They should be coming in the second half of this year.
I always thought that a $499 next gen console would have vega 64 performance.
I think it's pretty clear most of the hangups are not technical but licensing (in terms of number of available titles). On tech side the uprez method doesn't look to work in a generic manner, but I guess people wouldn't mind giving that up on most titles if it meant access to the whole library?
I'm sure you already know this.
But ppl wanting 14tflops were talking about GCN tflops.
The 5700xt is more powerful then an RTX 2070 which trades blows with a vega 7 which is a 13.82TFLOP gpu.
So if we do get a 5700 or 5700xt gpu in next gen we will be getting 12 - 14 gcn tflop performance.
So basicly, they did it, sony + ms are going for the high end of most predictions here.
People should be very happy.
In the case of a universal platform emulator, I don't think game licenses can even restrict playback. I would guess they can restrict re-sale for a new platform or distribution on new distribution platforms, but games already sold and in public circulation can be played on anything that will run them. So if MS is able to provide an OS-level emulator that makes XB2 behave like a 360, gamers can play what they like on it.
XB1's current BC approach isn't a universal platform emulator though.
Sure, but it didn't stop folks meltdowns in this very thread.
Doubt they could reveal concretely something more about the ps5 if not just some of their presumptions.
I don't know, certain people were still having meltdowns even with the 5700/5700 XT benchmarks staring them right in the face. I think some are just married to the idea of having double digit TFLOP numbers, otherwise I don't know why anyone would be upset with getting ~2070 performance in a next gen console.
Yep. Some posters in this thread basically prove why MS and Sony should go with multipliers rather than tflops for marketing.
We seem to be getting great next gen consoles and some folks still lost their minds over the number.
All you got to do is put into perspective the games we got this gen with the flops from this gen.
Just think about it.
But just out of curiosity, what is ~2070 performance wise?
So people would rather have 12 gcn tflops then 8.5 RDNA tflops?
Because that is incredibly stupid, I cant believe people here don't understand RDNA tflops are significantly superior to gcn tflops.
In AMD terms its between Vega 64 and their top end Radeon VII, probably closer to Radeon VII. In console terms, let's say ~7x base PS4.
It's why if folks are waiting on Sony/MS to give them a TFLOP number, they might be waiting quite awhile. I expect Sony to talk in terms of performance multipliers as well.
Do you have any idea about the two different devkits Sony had? Supposedly the older devkit was changed significantly suggesting a rethink.
Well, 8.5 RDNA Tflops is equal to around 10.625 GCN Tflops, so yes, I would rather have 12 GCN Tflops.
I have a hard time seeing how that would happen though, considering their new ~10 TFLOP card is going to be $450 alone. Unless we're expecting a huge jump in shaders and prices in the next year.
How is that the case when a 7+tflop 5700 has the same performance of a 12.6tflop vega 64?
It might be best guess stuff based on the AMD Navi slides but equally I wouldn't rule out Rich and co also having their own sources for the console hardware side. Having both would now (hopefully) bring things into focus.
I did find it somewhat interesting at least that Microsoft did not specifically mention an 8-core Zen 2 CPU, and there is this note from a Windows Central article today - https://www.windowscentral.com/micr...t-be-best-console-says-xbox-head-phil-spencer:
"There are rumors floating around that Scarlett features a 12-core processor compared to the 8-core one found in the PS5, but nothing has been confirmed yet. As with any such leak, take it with a grain of salt until we receive official confirmation and both parties confirm specifications."
"There are rumors floating around that Scarlett features a 12-core processor compared to the 8-core one found in the PS5, but nothing has been confirmed yet. As with any such leak, take it with a grain of salt until we receive official confirmation and both parties confirm specifications."
GCN evolved a lot over the course of consoles. Vega may not be great, but it's a lot faster than early GCN. They should be able to easily claim 10X X1S.
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