When his Twitter bio says the following I'll take this with the smallest grain of salt, literally:
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA
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When his Twitter bio says the following I'll take this with the smallest grain of salt, literally:
Damn. Explains so much.
With the two SKU approach, MS was confident they'd have the most powerful console. After cancelling Lockhart, I think they're aiming for $399 and not $499. The $499 box was probably 12TF. The new box is 8-10TF I'm betting.
They are not reacting to the competition but to the developers who with all indications were not happy at all with a two SKU approach. If they planned for two but upon seeing reaction changed it to one SKU, that is a reaction. But let's be clear, a good reaction. I would rather that decision than shoving an unwanted SKU down the throat of developers.
Hey matt should we expect above 10 TF consoles
Seriously. 😂
Seriously. 😂
Lockhart is gone it seems.
Which means I needed to update my prediction.
Guess what.
UPDATED PREDICTION
Which means I needed to update my prediction.
Guess what.
UPDATED PREDICTION
Those 5 OT's weren't in the last 6 months lol. More like in the last 16+
No
And floating isn't confirmation.
Yeah?!
That's the point.
But again, no one said was cancelled until today.
5 OT's of people speculating about Lockhart and Anaconda, 6 months of discussion, no one appears denying the information.
But you're the first saying PS5 has RT hardware few hours after Xbox conference.
But again, it's not your job confirm or deny any information.
I'm fine with this
Thanks :)
Why not condense this further since you're using the same specs for PS5/Scarlett in all 3 categories anyway? 🤔
If people at the time don't know that information that they thought was correct and up to date was actually outdated, then yes obviously to them it's going to be correct information. I'm not sure why that's so hard to understand.
Have you ever been waiting for some sort of delivery and you get given a specific time that it'll be at your house? If the delivery doesn't show up at that specific time, does that mean that the delivery people at the time of first giving you that information were lying to you and purposefully giving you fake information? No, of course not*. It just means plans change.
*Well, I guess some of them might, but I'm sure you get the idea.
A regurgitation of the reddit "leak" + estimates of the Scarlett SOC.
I've never been much into specs and all that, only when I was still PC gamer only. After I bought the first Xbox it was just that, done. Not paying specs any mind, just buy it and go!
So with that I'm saying I don't know terribly much about tflops and all that. But that tflop number sounds like a significant difference. Not even counting less ram as well, I know you're just speculating but could such a situation be comparable to X and Pro now or not even close?
I see. Well, I'll then just hope next Xbox won't fall too far behind PS5.
I never endorsed it either...after 6 months of discussion...wonder why that might be...
Legit thought it was Panela. You Portuguese speakers out there will get the joke.
I had a friend whose mother died of Panela, this isn't funny nor a joke. She was crossing the street and a car came and PA! NELA!
I don't think that qualifies as a reaction n this case. Being that the consoles are unreleased.
I honestly don't know what the big deal is with this.
MS set out to make two SKUs. One to fit the $299-$399 budget price point and the other to be a premium console. For whatever reason, devs or otherwise.... they changed their minds. And that change could have been as recently as GDC this year which could explain why all the insiders had dated information. That change could also have been something MS hadn't settled o and were still keeping their options open.
Now they are defaulting to whatever option they had in place already for if they were to release just one SKU.... cause I can promise you they probably had that shit figured out too. Why any of this is a big deal here now is beyond me.
Some may call it reacting to devs... I look at it as listening to them. The same way sony listened to devs and went with 8GB instead of 4GB. The whole point of the two SKU approach was cause MS wanted to avoid having to compete with Sony on level footing. They wanted to have the cheapest next-gen console and the most powerful next-gen console. The only way to guarantee that was with multiple SKUs.
Honestly, the only shade I have to throw on MS is like I have been saying before; them not knowing how to keep their mouths shut. There was absolutely zero reasons for them to "announce" releasing multiple consoles. That should have been something they just discussed internally with devs. So if it doesn't pan out, none of this nonsense would be happening now.
Anaconda will certainly need to be scaled back to make yields more cost effective.
Now that there is no Lockhart to absorb binned chips.
I mean, it won't be neutered. Just not the "premium console in a 2 SKU strategy" kinda powerful.
I guess this is probably why they're not so sure about being the more "powerful console" anymore, more so than knowing what the PS5 is up to. They're probably targeting the same price class now, instead of Anaconda being definitely more expensive than PS5.
Well It is indeed hard for me to understand something as dumb as that.
If you're in your room and you're house is on fire but you're not aware of it, was your house not on fire until the moment you were aware of it? NO, it had been burning all along lmao. It's not about lying or giving fake information, I didn't say that, it's about the information, at the time it is being given, being incorrect, whether you, the person who is receiving, or the person who is giving being aware of it or not, it's that simple. And if the delivery guys gave you a time period for the delivery but the plans had already changed, then yes, at that time it was incorrect information, you or them not being aware of it does not matter
To me an implication of this could be the supposedly large die space of anaconda no longer be as much of an indicator as we thought. They may be disabling more CU's to increase yields. We know it won't have cooling problems for sure
I'm not really clear here, there are some in here talking like teams are scrambling around at MS like ever since E3, when it seems it's being said this change in strategy wasn't even made this year but sometime prior to 2019, so certainly the development plans have been adjusted already.
About the worst thing I guess I can see is if they're stuck with the costs of a larger die size without any of the benefits of having a larger die.
About the worst thing I guess I can see is if they're stuck with the costs of a larger die size without any of the benefits of having a larger die.
I'm sure they have been. But it's one of those puzzle pieces that clicked into place with people wondering why they stopped being absolutely positive they would be more powerful. It's an "ohhh that makes sense" moment.
Sounds like it was shelved last year, so whatever affects it may have had have already been considered. We are way post reaction.
I don't doubt that Anaconda and PS5 Si is 95% shored up at this points as well.
While Lockhart and Anaconda were both a thing, I totally saw Anaconda at $499 or even $599
Now, if we really are only getting one SKU, fair chance MS will take a hit at $399 now. Even MORE so if we're going to now believe these brand new rumours of a pared back Anaconda.
Someone put a "Sony" over Van Damme's head, and this gif is ready for the PS5 reveal conference thread.
He said it won't be the same as if there were 2 SKUs .
Not sure how that means neutered but here we are .
Perfection.
New generation consoles reveal/conference times are the best. The speculation, the crazy reactions, the GIFs, the epic meltdowns. Hopefully this gen will be as fruitful as the current one. 2013 was wild.
Maybe less RAM? The mixed memory chip configuration we saw in the Scarlett reveal video seems pretty unusual.
Well that is obvious.
It can't be the same, as it's a totally different strategy.
Could be lower clocks, less RAM, more disabled CUs for better yields.
A more cost efficient ID and whatnot.
Since I was tagged in this thread.
1. A while means last year. There is a reason I never really commented much, if at all, on those rumors.
2. MS next gen plans are strong and still on track, I wouldn't read too much into the news.
3. Given I've seen some confusion around it. Klobrille isn't verified on Era. Although they are free to send a PM to myself if they want to be.
1. A while means last year. There is a reason I never really commented much, if at all, on those rumors.
2. MS next gen plans are strong and still on track, I wouldn't read too much into the news.
3. Given I've seen some confusion around it. Klobrille isn't verified on Era. Although they are free to send a PM to myself if they want to be.
Sorry I missed your post earlier.
Thank you so much for the detailed overview.
From your post, in the greater scheme of things, I am unable discern the difference between the traditional and Hovis method of creating a finished console besides the latter offering better diagnostic capabilities to assess which parts require extra power and craft customized power profile for that specific unit (as opposed to simply feeding extra wattage to the overall system so that the overall TF value or computational capacity for the unit is on par with the reference).
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