Prety much, the same reason Sony haven't joining in.
The only reason EA and Ubisoft have join in is because of the GAAS models, should expect Activision to jump soon as well.
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Prety much, the same reason Sony haven't joining in.
The only reason EA and Ubisoft have join in is because of the GAAS models, should expect Activision to jump soon as well.
Some interesting tests made by Hardware Unboxed to compare IPC and latency between Ryzen 3000 and Intel i9 8800K under the same conditions (Clock Speed).
Worth a watch/listen.
Most interesting to me was that AMD now has indeed a better IPC than Intel but struggles at Core and Memory Latency quite a bit.
That is (as mentioned in the video) by a high chance the reason why Intel is still better in gaming.
One root cause for the latency issue could be the chiplet based design with the bandwidth/latency limitations of the Infinity Fabric AMD is using.
If a monolithic design can solve those issues we probably can expect better results regarding latency and in result better performance for games comopared to a PC counterpart at similar clocks..
This is also why I never really supported a chiplet design for next gen consoles.
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The Latency charts, for those that are too lazy to watch the whole video ;)
Worth a watch/listen.
Most interesting to me was that AMD now has indeed a better IPC than Intel but struggles at Core and Memory Latency quite a bit.
That is (as mentioned in the video) by a high chance the reason why Intel is still better in gaming.
One root cause for the latency issue could be the chiplet based design with the bandwidth/latency limitations of the Infinity Fabric AMD is using.
If a monolithic design can solve those issues we probably can expect better results regarding latency and in result better performance for games comopared to a PC counterpart at similar clocks..
This is also why I never really supported a chiplet design for next gen consoles.
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The Latency charts, for those that are too lazy to watch the whole video ;)
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Yea user engagement is good for GAAS model.GTA online is gaas though no ?
very interesting, i wonder by how much could a monolithic design lower the latency.
We potentially will never know. But I think at least memory latency can be solved by the monolithic approach.
I also have added the two charts about Core/Thread and memory latency to my comment.
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Because subscriptions are perfect for small games (indie or AA) and for non annual GAAS. Take-Two releases few games and single player is a big part of them. I don't think they have any game that would benefits of subscription.
Exactly from an economical point of view and for indie it is ideal for well known studio. It is more difficult for new indie studio... Subscription will not replace everything, this is just one sales channel...
You are right . Not every publisher offering is suited for subscription based model. Which publisher you see as potential for subscription model based on their offerings ?
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I am 100% against this subscriptions nonsense. Especially with regards to gaming. I could understand why PS+ and XBL exists. And there is an indisputable added value in getting either of those services. But what I was afraid of when EAaccess became a thing is exactly what I see happening now. We keep talking about how great a "$5" subscription price would do. How "cheap" it is. But now of those subscriptions exist in a vacuum.
Just for me, I have PS+, Netflix and Amazon Prime (and would have Youtube TV/PS Vue if it were supported in my region). So what happens if EA, SE, Ubisoft, Activation, Take two...etc all roll out their own subscriptions services. So say we tack on another $5 for each individual service. then Disney wants to make their own sub service.... can't you see where this is going? Honestly, I would rather these companies adopt an ad-supported model, yes make me sit through 30-sec ads at certain intervals or whatnot. I would take that over paying for yet another subscription any day.
True and u forgot spotify/Apple music/google music as well.
I doubt that these issues will be solved in console APUs, for two reasons:
A. These stem from them using a 4 core CCX as a basis of Zen2 CPUs. It's highly unlikely that this will change in consoles as in that case we'd have seen 8 core CCX in Zen2 already.
B. Even if they have an 8 core CCX design I would expect them to go with Zen2 design for consoles as this will create an incentive to optimize all the gaming code to Zen2's CCX layout transferring these optimizations to PC platform eventually and robbing Intel of the last solid advantage they have over Zen designs.
So a subscription service you can choose to subscribe to or not is a no no but an ad supported service that would break up gameplay with adverts is a winner?
Can I ask, have you ever subscribed to Game Pass. A lot of the negativity and criticisms I see labelled against it are from people who have actually never tried the service.
I'm subscribed for the next two and a half years right through the next gen launch and then some, the value is insane and it hasn't even got out of third gear yet.
This is irrelevant, you don't need to subscribe to something to be against subscriptions, and they already gave their reasons.
Sony could not crush ms first party technically with a 40% difference and better ram this gen, so if the gap is even smaller next gen there's an even smaller chance of them "crushing" ms first party graphically.
The reason why people say Sony 1st party look better this gen, is there more appealing artstyle, but technicaly games like gears 4( and soon 5) trade blows with god of war and uncharted 4.
Its so silly to use exclusives to compare visuals because this gen both platforms exclusives use completely different art styles, locations and themes.
I mean God of war has more beautiful vistas and particle effects but gears 4 has some better effects like rain dripping off glass/armour, reflections, and texture clarity+detail.
I hope we get some exclusives next gen which a very similar so graphic comparisons are more worthwhile.
I agree with what your saying art style wise. If Sony has an SSD than third party games (at least) will have faster loading times on the PS5.
Edit: Gears 5, Halo Infinite, and Forza Horizon 4 do all look gorgeous. MS just didn't have enough first party support this gen to really show what their made of.
This may be off topic but how do we think devs will utilize the new 3D audio chips? Will most devs utilize it? Only a handful?
I'm highly anticipating it even if the chips won't be that cutting edge.
I'm highly anticipating it even if the chips won't be that cutting edge.
God damn. Imagine GTA VI with Rockstar taking advantage of 8c/16t Zen 2 and ultra fast SSD (not to mention the significant bump in GPU and RAM).
rockstar already has probably one of the best data streaming tech in the industry, them with such a fast SSD would be ridiculous.
We have to remember that GTA V was developed with the 7th gen consoles in mind. Since GTA VI is being developed with next gen in mind.... Oh boy:
- ~10-12x in CPU power (probably more since the 360's CPU was weaker than the Cell)
- ~52x in GPU power
- ~30-45x in RAM (I don't know how much was usable for devs in the PS3/360 era)
- SSD that's hundreds of times faster
GTA VI better destroy our minds.
Hopefully GTA Vi is released by Fall 2023, a full decade after V.
Now if we're lucky, it'll be in 2022.
Now if we're lucky, it'll be in 2022.
there were rumors that you would be able to travel between vice city and liberty city in the next gta. and not just fast travel, actually travel using cars and planes. i wouldnt be surprised if the next gta is next gen only.
I wouldn't mind if Rockstar went with an East coast theme. San Andreas sorta had a West coast theme.
Edit: Imagine being in Vice City and looking across the map and you see a highly detailed Liberty City. That would give me chills.
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Shouldn't we be getting decent surround sound (or binaural) audio as default through any pair of headphones..?
Yes, but with the new dedicated chips we're getting (hopefully MS will have one too) games will finally be designed around them.
You don't have to get each and every subscription though, and it's unlikely that anyone would want to play every single game by every single publisher.
The most likely use case isn't that everyone is subscribed to every single service at once. I imagine it is that for instance, someone plays most games that EA releases on Day 1 (poor bugger), so it makes sense for them to subscribe, and then they continue to buy games by other publishers off the shelf when they hit the price they're willing to pay for them.
There's another reason to add - CCX latency is largely a non-issue in consoles to begin with, as software actually performs (and can afford to do so) a lot more explicit control over thread distribution and lifetimes, removing the occurrences of it most of the time.
2 CPU clusters is also exactly the same scenario current gen consoles dealt with - and the penalty for it was much worse on Jaguar CPUs.
Yeah, this as well - there's not a lot of reasons to even go with an 8 core CCX in a console APU.
What about that ray traced audio I've heard about.
Something like Ray Traced Atmos Sound would be pretty awesome, but not sure if that's possible or redundant
Cerny implied that the 3D audio would be rendered using ray tracing. Rays can be used for than just light. I saw someone on Reddit mention how rays could be used to simulate wind (for a game like Ace Combat for example).
Recently I upgraded my internet and I m downloading 80 GB game in 26 min (yesterday).to me that's not bad at all
Last option probably if the SSD is as revolutionary as stated. I wouldn't mind 1TB and being able to use external storage to keep a pool of games available, with an efficient automatic transfer occuring when you want to play one of those games. What sort of transfer times are possible with modern USBC drives these days?
i thought it was the 5700, but in fact it's the XT... I hope 5700 will reach 2,2Ghz too
Damn, mine is 1 Gb/s. Doesn't PSN have a cap though. I just recently downloaded Detroit but I forgot to check how fast it was.
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