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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
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I don't think there would be much point of speaking on it being above 9.2 if it is, say, 9.5. This is just my interpretation but I took it to mean it is, at minimum, in the upper 9/low 10 range and ~11TF would be the max.
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Just keep adding to the list.
"SSDs will NOT be in the systems"
Nope.
"RT will NOT be in the systems"
Nope.
"Navi will be GCN"
Nope.
It is looking like "10TF+ will NOT happen" will be added eventually.
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I'm more interested in the minimum baseline too. It will be what every game is developed for from fall next year to the end of the gen. That is more interesting than arguing over less than a flop difference.
So since both are Said to be over 9.2 tf, i can't help but think they will be over 10 TF purely from a marketing standpoint.
Like, if you got your console to 9.3 TF, surely you will try to get it to at least 10 TF. How much more could it cost to get that ~0.5? And wouldnt it be worth it?
Like, if you got your console to 9.3 TF, surely you will try to get it to at least 10 TF. How much more could it cost to get that ~0.5? And wouldnt it be worth it?
So if ps5 is like xone s and scarlet is x one then ps5 is 1.07x faster and we know that both console are above 9.2tf so 10tf for scsrlett and 10.7 ps5 :d
I just learned my wife's friend's hubby works at Rocksteady.
Gonna try and find out if they have next-gen devkits, and also what their next game is.
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Don't hold your breath though folks. We're only on first name terms, so I doubt he'd tell me anything.
Gonna try and find out if they have next-gen devkits, and also what their next game is.
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Don't hold your breath though folks. We're only on first name terms, so I doubt he'd tell me anything.
This is what happens when people spend 5 threads trying to make up differences between the two without any evidence that there would be a difference.
There was no rational reason to speculate on anything other than a basic setup as a baseline for next-gen specs. Certainly in the absence of a credible, verified leak. Instead we spent nearly two years fighting over imagined specs and imagined differences. It only fueled the console warring, and we still barely have anything over the official info that we treated with hostility and ridiculed when suggested by anyone before this past E3.
"What if" they are pretty much identical because one of them is holding back (true potential) final specs to not show their full hand. But at the same time deliver sufficient power for the devkits to the developers (that is at least the same power of the competitor to allow at least parity between the games).
That is at least a route I would consider, since its still over one year before release the competitor would also get their hands on dev kits and will have the time to close and even surpass the gap. Probably a similar scenario as with the 4GB / 8GB PS4 ram (although in this case not on purpose) that could have caught MS by surprise.
That is at least a route I would consider, since its still over one year before release the competitor would also get their hands on dev kits and will have the time to close and even surpass the gap. Probably a similar scenario as with the 4GB / 8GB PS4 ram (although in this case not on purpose) that could have caught MS by surprise.
Honestly a lot of this is pent up aggression over the years and marketing gone mental.
It started off this generation with the 1080p VS 900p VS 720p fiasco.
It reignited when PS4 Pro and Xbox One X both launched with adverts claiming world's most powerful console, etc.
And the final and most recent present was setup by the Scarlett announcement where Phil pledged a commitment to performance leadership and setting a benchmark for consoles.
When all things become equal there's one major differentiator: GAMES
Maybe have a BBQ and get a few drinks in him first..
Definitely gotta ease your way into it.
Double date!
Something like that, yeah.
well i am sure he wont answer you the second question (as much as i would love to know the answer to that...)
and i guess that they are NDA'd about the dev kits, but maybe he would just say if they have any, but at this point, i have to believe they have something.
do you realize how expensive it would be to create a whole new different specced devkit just to trick the other side? no way that is happening.
that part doesnt add up to me either. i get that they are using low level APIs and all that, but the move to x86 should have still made it possible in time for 2019.
unless if the BC issues we are talking about is PS3 BC :p
That's the thing, I had "insider" info of PS5 back in late 2014, hence why this makes no sense to me.
Not saying it can't be true, but I'm more interested to know what the issue was specifically.
Bingo!
But yeah, I could actually see it taking some time on Sony's end. They really need to nail it day 1. If they really are planning for something like PS1-PS3 BC, and for BC to improve games, it will take time.
What insider info did you have and how does bc issues collide with that?
PS5 having access to PS1 to PS4 games would be nice selling point early on .
For me don't care about games so old but would make certain people happy.
considering sony are apparnetly going heavy on the "hardcore" marketing, at least for the beginning of the generation, it makes sense to have this BC "megaton" announcement
I always think BC is at its best at the very beginning of a gen. I'd get some mileage from it (I need to play more Ratchet and Clank games!) but I would definitely be more interested in the new next gen games.
Looks like the January Reddit leak all over again.
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If he is correct your gonna be getting the "dream" console tho ;)
It is the BC software issues that confuses me. PS4 BC will be hardware based and the Wired article goes even further here and states the PS5 APU is partly based on the PS4 architecture. Even if there would need to be some sort of software layer added it surely wouldn't result in a substantial delay?
The current devkit is not even finalised and will most likely have multiple revisions before release, so not sure why they would not, that is, if it is important to them to keep it a secret from the competitor.
I am not talking about completely changing the specs, this would be too drastic and foolish since that would probably also cause compatibility issues. I am talking for example about deliberately significantly(5-10% TF) holding back on GPU and CPU frequencies / memory amount that would not hamper the development of the games until devkits are more finalised closer to release (6 months before release?) and official reveals are made.
I don't think it was BC issues that delayed the PS5 (though I suppose it could have been a factor I'm unaware of).
5~10% different will just keep them close together and wouldnt serve as any actual help.
welcome back and thanks for the response :)
PS1-PS3 (may also vita and PSP) BC would be a megaton.
"PS5 - play any playstation game" would be pretty amazing.
i still highly doubt we will see vita BC (more than PS3 BC) because there is no working emulator for it, plus lack of return (too small of a fanbase for Vita).
but if they can do PS1-PS4 BC they can market it as "relieve all generations of play" or something like that.
Start with a gentle question, like why they only released one game this gen.
A roller coaster is just a hype train with hills.
Absolutely.
Even if it doesn't make it day 1, I do see them getting it to happen sooner or later. A PS Meeting/E3 announcement of PS5 having all gens day 1 (with enhancements) would be huge.
The 5-10% difference wont give a noticeable difference between third party games, but a 12TF vs 11TF will add an important tag line to a console ("most powerful console") which especially MS would like to keep using, and for which some costumers are susceptible for.
Kind of goes back to what Ed Boon was saying on Twitter. They don't know final clocks so no telling which is more powerful. It makes more sense now that we have the context that both systems are very close. Clocks may decide.
The thing about a 5 or 10% difference is that, unless there were drastic silicone decisions made that meant they're at the very edge of what each company managed to get out of them (which I find highly unlikely), it's a difference that can be closed with a pre-release overclock.
Matt,is there any sign of PSX(25th anniversary)/PS Meeting later this year or you think we will have to wait 2020 for that?
Bingo.
I'm fairly confident there will be an indiscernible difference between 3rd party games running on PS5 and Scarlett. At that point which is most powerful is entirely academic and moot outside of those who are susceptible to PR manipulation.
Nah. During shit times escapism is in strong demand. We're recession proof like ice cream.
Every retrogame YouTuber would make a billion videos about it, that's a lot of marketing from the right people. Just not sure if the r&d is worth it.
The Wii sold 3.8M in December 2009, and sold 9.6M that year.
DS sold 3.3M that same December, and even peaked at 11.2M in 2009.
Xbox 360 and PS3 increased from 2008 as well, both selling over 4M.
Video games will do okay in a economic downturn.
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