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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
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Personally, I don't think this is true:
I'm not seeing the issue....?
You would clearly only include the number of 2GB chips for the RAM allocation you want--presupposing this is the method you want to use for allocating the OS reserve.
It does mean that your OS allocation is limited to a smaller effective bus size, e.g.:
10x chips total: 4x 2GB + 6x 1GB
The game sees 10GB via a 320 bit bus
The OS sees 4GB via a 128 bit bus
But since the OS doesn't need nearly as much bandwidth, with 14Gb/s chips that's still 224GB/s which is plenty for the OS.
But do dynamic objects affect indirect lighting or only receive indirect lighting data from static objects?
Yes they do but the results aren't accurate sometimes the results is a big bugged smudge rather than a defined pattern of colour bleeding or shade which is not sexy to look at tbh.
Nothing as defined as VXGI or any voxel based solution even with low radius, let alone RT.
Edit: Here is a very old example of mine where I sued to toy with LPV. I used to change the colours of lights, blocs and move them to see how the dynamic GI reacts in it with colour bleeding changing, mixing colours and how indirect shadows work too. You can't see me moving those blocs in those pics though. :p
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I will be shocked if we get anything that good-looking on next gen consoles, it just looks too good imo.
Ok.. let me elaborate on the issue.
The whole OS reserve thing is an oversimplification and is actually wrong. The problem is this. Say you have a total of 12 chips making a 384-bit bus and 78GB/s. And these chips are all the same size. For you to use all 384 bit of your bus, and get all 768GB of bandwidth, you have to be reading that data from all 12 chips.
Now let's mix and match the RAM sizes, first with 16GB of total RAM. So thats 4x 2GB chips + 8x 1GB chips. And you want to reserve 4GB for your OS, fine everything works cause as long as your apps are concerned there are12x 1GB chips I the system. The bottleneck here though falls on your OS, as it will only ever have a max of 256GB/s of bandwidth available to it since its technically only on 4 chips and as such only has a 128-bit bus.
Now what happens when you want more RAM? Say you want the system to have 18GB of RAM. So you are looking at 6x 2GB of RAM and 6x 1GB of RAM chips. For the above system to work ow,you will have to reserve 6GB of RAM for your OS. Because if you reserve 4GB 1Gb spread out across 4 chips) you will be left with 2 x 2Gb chips and 6x 1GB chips. The extra 2 GB on those two chips will be useless to you.
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I see, I was mistaken then. Thanks for the clarification
Just out of curiosity, based on the specs we know, is it possible to make the XMB not so much of a sluggish mess when clicking the home button during a game? I'm really hoping a SSD & Zen 2 changes that, but I don't know.
You still need a lot of fast RAM too. On PS4 Pro, when you open a web page, sometiems you get greeted by this message: "failed to load page: not enough free system memory".
Personally, I've only used Unity so far, even my current game project is built on Unity, heh. Although, I may have to learn how to use Unreal Engine 4 during my internship, I suppose. Unity, by comparison, has a more limited real time GI solution that isn't even actually fully real time. You have to set objects as lightmap static first then bake the lighting and dynamic objects will only receive indirect lighting data through light probes. UE4's LPV sounds a lot more interesting
Well yeah, Unity has an integrated support of Geomerics Enlighten dynamic GI. It's some kind of hax, since it is not a real dynamic GI solution, just bakes lightmaps whenever there is a change in ligthing but not something sudden or brusk.
Oh, Ok. I kinda had that supposition too since a friend of yours showed you the game and I presume you didn't travel to Japan to see it. :p
I really hope the team working on it are getting diect support from epic with advanced builds to help them with the game because it would be still hard to make an open world game using UE4 without big efforts and some kind of help from the orginal makers of the engine.
Not next gen consoles but this is fucking insane. 1.2 TRILLION transistor wafer-sized chip (yes, the WHOLE 300mm wafer). Will be interesting to see the ripple effect here for the industry as defect tolerance becomes the norm for this approach.
Doesn't look particularly unbelievable considering you can still see texture pop-in in that and the other video posted.
We're going from a baseline of something near an HD 7790 to GTX 1080 TI/RTX 2080 territory, the results are going to be magnificent.
Sony just bought Insomniac games. That must have been expensive.
We need to downgrade PS5 specs to account for this purchase due to budgetary reasons.
Which means we need to remove some more CUs because thermals.
32 CUs at 2.0 Ghz = 8.1 tflops confirmed.
We need to downgrade PS5 specs to account for this purchase due to budgetary reasons.
Which means we need to remove some more CUs because thermals.
32 CUs at 2.0 Ghz = 8.1 tflops confirmed.
When you see how the decima engine do on such a limited hardware as PS4 and if the spec of PS5 is what we are speculate, it will surpassed it as early as mid gen title.
Spider-Man PS5 will look like this:
XD
What happeend to his claims? What studio MS would buy? Thta is if the claim is true to start with. he also had many false specs of Scarlet (the false lockheart), an ultra weak PS5.
So maybe all his claims were false from start.
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Spider-Man PS5 will look like this:
But wasn't some kind of Xbox Insider claiming that MS would buy some kind of big Studio that worked with Sony and implying it was Insomniac?XD
What happeend to his claims? What studio MS would buy? Thta is if the claim is true to start with. he also had many false specs of Scarlet (the false lockheart), an ultra weak PS5.
So maybe all his claims were false from start.
No idea who you're talking about and not defending him/her, but Lockhart clearly was real at some point. Hell, Phil Spencer just mentioned "consoles" again in that GameSpot interview a few days ago, but no one seemed to notice.
I thought that studio turned out to be Double Fine.Spider-Man PS5 will look like this:
But wasn't some kind of Xbox Insider claiming that MS would buy some kind of big Studio that worked with Sony and implying it was Insomniac?XD
What happeend to his claims? What studio MS would buy? Thta is if the claim is true to start with. he also had many false specs of Scarlet (the false lockheart), an ultra weak PS5.
So maybe all his claims were false from start.
This is mostly art and texture work, you can get pretty close to this IQ even on modern gen consoles (geometry complexity will take the biggest hit I think) but producing a whole game with this level of detail just isn't economically feasible.
The one from reddit who got his posts deleted but was saved by some in imgur. It was posted many times here.
It doesn't matter now. reality is much different than all what he said.
Yeah me too. They are getting in very good terms now and rumors about that are circulating.
I won't eb surprised if Control gets RT Support on PS5 too.
Man I read this shit and literally just bust out laughing. How much is 1886 on sale for now? If you haven't I'd play if for the graphics and gunplay alone. That graphics fidelity with an open world game + dynamic destruction?!
😂😂😂 next gen litty af 🔥
Just a heads up if you guys don't know yet, Insomniac Games the makers of Spiderman is being bought by Sony to be a Playstation exclusive studio, looking forward to see what they have for Nexgen!
I'm not smart enough to understand the technical terms and lingo in this thread outside of a base level...can't catch up on a lot of what was said either.
The latest round of rumors/speculation have the console specs around the same or we still talking that the PS5 will be more powerful?
Doesn't matter too much, just wanna catch up and know where it stands now lol (I know nothing is official)
The latest round of rumors/speculation have the console specs around the same or we still talking that the PS5 will be more powerful?
Doesn't matter too much, just wanna catch up and know where it stands now lol (I know nothing is official)
Tbh, I really doubt anything could come close to the accuracy of PBR and materials of The Order. The photoscanning of The Order 1886 with microscopic details and the natural look of all materials and fabrics is leagues beyond anything else available when it comes to PBR.
UE4 uses Metalness PBR workflow which gives a quite good look on metals but really fails to catch the life-like look of otehr more organic fabrics ehcne everythign stays shiny even non reflective which makes the whole scene look awkward and not natural at all.
So looking like The Order using UE4 is kinda far stretched unless the engine itself is heavily modified with the PBR workflow itself heavily custimized with new physical coefficients, new lighting system and interactions etc which will take so much time and I can't imagine any third party doing such efforts on just a multiplatform game.
You've just repeated your previous post but in different wording. I'm still struggling to see the supposed issue here. The solution to this "problem" you're identifying is simple, i.e. the console maker only uses the number of 2GB chips for the RAM allocation they want for the OS.
Whether it's 12 chips with 4x 2GB and a 4 : 12 ratio for the OS : Game, or 10 chips with 4x 2GB chips and a 4 : 10 ratio for the OS : Game, is immaterial.
The number of 2GB chips can be incremented by 1 and with each chip provides 1 GB for the OS reserve, providing the n GB for the game where n = total chip count.
They can have whatever configuration they want that makes sense for setup they wish to design. It doesn't seem like an issue to me.
You're trying to imply that the extra 1GB on each 2GB chip being forced to be for the OS reserve is inherently problematic. It isn't. That's just the way this particular setup is intended to work.
Crikey! Tis a beast!... Wonder if it can play Crysis?
The PS5 was always powerful, just people here lost so much hope and started to feel gloomy. :p
They got their hopes back recently.
All I needed to hear lol.
Was planning on both PS5 and Scarlett at launch but with the Insomniac news (one of my fav. devs) I'm 100% all in on the PS5.
they are both pretty much the same.
no 40-50% increase in power like last gen. both are on same tech, so no cell like disaster.
they are both going to be more powerful than anything AMD has out right now. ray tracing, SSD, fantastic CPU. its going to be amazing.
Yeah I'm fucking hyped....don't wanna sound like a console warrior asshole but I just trust Cerny more to pull something out of this hat to push it more over the top.
Can't wait.
KP next year or after, after DS sells very much. Kojima can't find a much better producer and support than Sony.
It's gotta be remedy. It would be super weird for an independent dev to congratulate being bought by a big publisher otherwise
Thanks for the reply man! That helps explain why it was always something about 1886's rendering where it doesn't quite look like anything else on the market. The game is a beauty and has a visual identity all of its own.I remember early in development RAD demonstrated some of the destruction they had to ultimately take out, destructible teddy bear, wood splintering and chipping from bullet damage. I'm optimistic, though I hear exactly what your saying.
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