Way too big imo ...
That is even without audio block and RT!
It is getting worse if you actually put the underlying 320-bit memory bus into the SOC ... again without Audio and RT!
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That is even without audio block and RT!
It is getting worse if you actually put the underlying 320-bit memory bus into the SOC ... again without Audio and RT!
cc Oluasc
My calculations based on component estimates from Duke and Liabe Brave are different. I get ~395ish with 320bit bus.Way too big imo ...
That is even without audio block and RT!
It is getting worse if you actually put the underlying 320-bit memory bus into the SOC ... again without Audio and RT!
cc Oluasc
(Old picture from VideoCardz after the first name drop of Arcturus)
The identity of Arcturus is finally revealed:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Arcturus-Linux-Driver-Patches
Thanks to the Arcturus codename we could dumb a lot of false rumors instantly, I will miss that a bit.
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I incorporated a flub factor of 25mm^2 for audio, rt, vrs, and others. Not saying I'm correct, but that's how my numbers worked out.
(Old picture from VideoCardz after the first name drop of Arcturus)
The identity of Arcturus is finally revealed:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Arcturus-Linux-Driver-Patches
Thanks to the Arcturus codename we could dumb a lot of false rumors instantly, I will miss that a bit.
Hopefully that will kill Arcturus related speculation once and for all.
It won't.
Also, will miss your old GitS avatar. Had to track that illustration and get it as a wallpaper. Way too good.
320. I think I used 4.5mm^2 per 32 but bus, based mostly on what Duke measured. I'm no expert in this stuff, so I could be way off. Just pieced it together based on various estimates from others. I've got a spreadsheet saved on my laptop that I used to put all the info together.
It all makes sense. Arcturus is a compute non-graphics related part derived from Vega. MS will have second GPU, MS will use Vega claimers redeemed!
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I think there is the difference.
I use 8.17mm^2 for a 32-bit GDDR6 PHY. Using my formula I also get to the 251.1mm^2 of a RX 5700 as a result (see below).
With your formula you should get a too low result.
Can you share your result for a RX 5700 XT with the below attributes (40 CUs, 2SE, 256-Bit memory bus)?
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Way too big imo ...
That is even without audio block and RT!
It is getting worse if you actually put the underlying 320-bit memory bus into the SOC ... again without Audio and RT!
cc Oluasc
Thanks.
52CU or 48CU most likely?
52CU @ 1.65GHz
320-bit Bus
I dig it.
It seems Intel couldn't fathom the superiority of Zen 2 performance wise and price wise they are already announcing Comet Lake Core i10 (or whatever it will be).
Alas, by then AMD would already be doing a new Zen and still outclassing them. XD
Alas, by then AMD would already be doing a new Zen and still outclassing them. XD
I mean I like to have knowledge to invalidate false rumors immediately.
Otherwise you have even more spinning discussions about certain claims and people build wrong expectations.
PS: I would probaly still have the old avatar but I saw another ResetEra member using it and thought it would be time to settle down with something I made myself and wouldn't lead to possible confusion.
Decide yourself. That is what I calculated for a SOC without Audio and RT for both scenarios ... SOC size stays the same with a GPU that has no deactivated WGPs.
Oh really? Anyway, I thougth it would be too reckless anyway to announce a successor to what they have so soon just to counter AMD so quickly. They need to take their time for that and scheme a good plan for that.
Decide yourself. That is what I calculated for a SOC without Audio and RT for both scenarios ... SOC size stays the same with a GPU has no deactivated WGPs.
#Teamdisappointment :P
My calc spreadsheet is on my laptop which I left at work, I'll check it out tomorrow and see what I've got.I think there is the difference.
I use 8.17mm^2 for a 32-bit GDDR6 PHY. Using my formula I also get to the 251.1mm^2 of a RX 5700 as a result (see below).
With your formula you should get a too low result.
Can you share your result for a RX 5700 XT with the below attributes (40 CUs, 2SE, 256-Bit memory bus)?
Make use of the cloud! I can access this (my) Excel sheet from anywhere, even on my phones ;)
Okay I will stop it. But it is a good indicator tool for what is realistic and what is not!
Just a reality check ... and a reason why I am still on 256-bit in my own prediction!
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Right now in top 10 Amazon us video games, there are 4 PlayStation consoles . No wonder Sony doesn't feel the need to reveal more about ps5.they r selling PS4 strongly .Feb 2020 is the earliest we hear about ps5 .it is what it is I guess but damn I was hoping we would hear about it earlier rather than later .
I'm pretty sure this has been shared already but how does resolution affect file size? Unless their talking about 8K assets.
I didn't mean to discourage it! It's very useful, in depth information. It's just something my brain isn't good at tracking. That's why we all collaborate here.
Have we seen any in game benchmarks on RX 5700 overclocked (maybe with a BIOS flash) to XT speeds? The non-XT card is already suspiciously close to the XT in most benchmarks. I wonder how Navi scales with extra CUs.
I was going to comment on the same thing. They think 8K cutscenes will weigh much more but nope if the cutscenes are ingame and not pre-rendered, they won't cost anything, it's all part of the game itself.
Lol what about us? Sony can take their time but we can't damn it haha . I need some leaks.even pastebins stopped lol
They're all going quiet... They're gonna strike in September...
Yea but US Amazon has 4 PS consoles in top 10.like WTH it's 6 years old already.let it die and let Sony announce new shit lol
I was not aware there would be such a big difference in FPS between the 3700x and the 2700x and 1800x (about 10% and 20% respectively), let alone the difference between current gen CPU and a ZEN 2 CPU. Combined with a SSD and Navi GPU+RT, besides the graphical advancements will also make it possible to have novel gameplay elements not possible with current gen. And with all this to have a significant leap over current gen including the pro and xbox x a price tag of 499 is almost a certainty imo. As I doubt both Microsoft and Sony would risk going any higher.
Next gen to me is really promising with the focus on not having bottle necks and trying to introduce new technology with lessons learned from the past.
Next gen to me is really promising with the focus on not having bottle necks and trying to introduce new technology with lessons learned from the past.
My question though is can Indies take advantage of those options? Or is it just first party, Ubisoft and Bethesda?
You know, a part of me wants you to be right with your table.
A small part - because it would be the most boring generation in history, but still, it would almost be worth it to see the existential terror for well... journalists and fanbases alike.
That does not really matter, indie games that do not take advantage of the hardware can be fun as well, as with current gen you have seen that many games have not taken fully advantage of the ps4/xbox hardware. However they should for example be able to run better physics / higher framerates / resolutions, or focus on few elements of the new hardware to make their indie game standout.
There are still plenty of studios that can take full advantage of the hardware, and I believe these AAA games will be a major selling point for the new consoles.
A fair number of indies had a number of performance issues due to the low speed CPUs in current consoles, especially if they were built on Unity. New hardware will allow them to power through issues like that and have the game be more polished on more platforms. Higher specs raise everyone up. Plus raytracing could help indie devs speed up advanced lighting processes, CPUs could allow for more complex physics interactions, SSDs will speed up load times for everything. Lots of benefits to games outside of AAA.
Yep we will get better res , frame rate , effects for indies .
More power will help everyone even if they don't take full advantage of it .
I'd say that some stuff, like vastly increased CPU power, might end up having a bigger impact on a certain crop of indies than in most AAA gaming. If you're doing a lot of procedural generation on the fly, for instance, something that tends to show up much more often in indie games.
And now we just wait for the inevitable No Man's Sky port for the PS5 :D
And now we just wait for the inevitable No Man's Sky port for the PS5 :D
Speaking of indies I could not imagine what a game like Outlast would be like with 3D audio!
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I guess I am a pessimist still disappointed with the the PSX -> Ps2 leap from way back.
For an affordable console I am guesstimating it'll match a high end PC performance circa 2014 which will be pretty nice considering the price point.
From what I have read a lot of the USP's seems to revolve around incorporating an SSD and fast RAM to reduce loading times.
For a consumer product for the mass market it is going to be priced attractively while not bringing anything revolutionary.
I will be very successful no doubt.
Personally I am still a bit bummed about getting the PS4Pro and realizing that 4K/60 was just a pipe-dream.
My PC from five years ago is still going strong so I am not missing out. But then, I paid an arm and a leg for that thing.
Can't wait to buy the PS5Pro for half of that price.
Team 599 (799, adjusted for inflation).
For an affordable console I am guesstimating it'll match a high end PC performance circa 2014 which will be pretty nice considering the price point.
From what I have read a lot of the USP's seems to revolve around incorporating an SSD and fast RAM to reduce loading times.
For a consumer product for the mass market it is going to be priced attractively while not bringing anything revolutionary.
I will be very successful no doubt.
Personally I am still a bit bummed about getting the PS4Pro and realizing that 4K/60 was just a pipe-dream.
My PC from five years ago is still going strong so I am not missing out. But then, I paid an arm and a leg for that thing.
Can't wait to buy the PS5Pro for half of that price.
Team 599 (799, adjusted for inflation).
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