HOLY HOT DAMN! Finally a view of the future. I want to lick my phone screen.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
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HOLY HOT DAMN! Finally a view of the future. I want to lick my phone screen.
I think of Nadine from Uncharted with this hair...
I'd avoid doing that, phone screens are notoriously filthy and absolutely packed with bacteria, yeasts and mold (reportedly 3 to 10 times more infectious agents per cm² than your average toilet seat) :D
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Is this going to be a real game character or just done for presentation? I'd love to see that character in some game. Impressive either way.
I think the poll is pretty boring. You know the answer before even asking the question.
It's why the pricing sweetspot for consoles has been $400 to $500 since... like... forever.
It's why the pricing sweetspot for consoles has been $400 to $500 since... like... forever.
Win the next gen market and have a more successful product than the competition. Agree or not, why 'sigh'? Someone is predicting the next gen gaming market. So what?
Realtime hair physics during actual gameplay and not just during cut-scenes, now that would be fantastic.
How many times have we seen a visually good looking 'real-time' cutscene only to transition back to an okayish looking visuals and meh character animations during gameplay?
Looking at you Days Gone.
How many times have we seen a visually good looking 'real-time' cutscene only to transition back to an okayish looking visuals and meh character animations during gameplay?
Looking at you Days Gone.
Console warrior pissing contest shit lmao. But okay honey, do you. If it makes you sleep better.
Days Gone is hardly the only game guilty of this.
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But yes, i do hope that next gen ingame models come very close to their realtime cutscene models. it has bugged me in every game this gen. Even horizon and god of war use a different lower quality model and it just bugs me. the entire point of realtime cutscenes is to keep the gulf between character models as small as possible but it seems to get wider with every game.
The problem isn't just inflation. Yu'vegotta be more reasonable(or at least fair)
But first with inflation $400 2013 money is equivalent to $440 in 2020. So technically a $500 PS5 in 2020 cost only $60 more tan what a PS4 cost in 2013. But you are getting an SSD with twice the storage size, and at least twice the RAM. And then you also need to consider that 7nm fabrication, SSD, the type of RAM and even the type of cooling they are using all cost more than what was used in their 2013 counterparts.
So the issue is that the tech used to make a dent 2020 console just flat out cot more than $399. A 300mm2+ 7nm APU, 16GB+ of GDDR6, NVMe4 grade SSD and what will most likely be a vapor chamber cooler of some sort will cost them nothing less than $480 - $520 to pull off in 2020. So you expect them to set out to lose like $80 - $120 per console sold? The only way that happens is if they both have near identical specs and one of them opts to bite the loss and come in at $399. Te other must match that price.
Yup, and they will ALWAYS be stuff like that in games. No matter how its spun, real time cut-scene models will always look better than in game models. For the same reasons that majority of devs will still make a 30fps game.Days Gone is hardly the only game guilty of this.
But yes, i do hope that next gen ingame models come very close to their realtime cutscene models. it has bugged me in every game this gen. Even horizon and god of war use a different lower quality model and it just bugs me. the entire point of realtime cutscenes is to keep the gulf between character models as small as possible but it seems to get wider with every game.
Don't worry... you will see that character in lots of games. As long as you are ok with the fact that the character in question here is the hair.
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I expect them to have designed a console they can sell for $399. An initial loss on each console sold is pretty much guaranteed by their financial projections and statements on the subject since. How big of a loss is anyone's guess, but I'm betting it's bigger and for longer than the PS4's.
A $399 console n 2020 wil be a very bad console. Especially when its possible yor competition is making a $560 console that its going to sell for $499.
I agree that there will be a loss that is taken by both, I just believe that the state of the competition today kinda demands that both companies lead with their best foot forward. NEITHER of them is going to "noticeably" give the other a power/perf advantage to the pint where that better console by default becomes the "lead" platform during reviews and comparisons.
Its better to make a $550 console knowing fully well that there is very little your rival can do to top your hardware, and sell that console for $499... or if you must (because your rival is being aggressive), sell it for $399-$450 and take a $100+ loss (but ONLY if you must) than to make a weak $399 console and be the weakest console by a noticeable margin for the rest of the gen.
Going with a weaker $399 console is even more stupid to do when you consider that the people buying your console in the first year are the consumers that are least affected by price. And those are the consumers that become your moth piece for word of mouth marketing when the price actually starts to drop.
Oh... and its just time... in case you didn't notice there is a trend of sorts. 5th and 6th gen entry price pint was $299. 7th and 8th gen it was $399 (ignoring the arcade). t only makes sense that the entry point goes up again.
That won't happen. Nor should it, since we'd be facing a heavily compromised console.
The things that both figured they needed for next gen (SSD, RT, etc...) will force a $499 price point.
You can't get what these consoles are offering for a $399 price point unless one or both companies are willing to lose >$100.
You can't get what these consoles are offering for a $399 price point unless one or both companies are willing to lose >$100.
People soon forget the 8GB of GDDR5 megaton and calls of $599 for PS4 confirmed.
You're all under Sony's spell. I would've loved to see Cerny's face when he told Wired PS5 will be sold at a compelling price. I think something like this:
Oh, don't get me wrong. If they actually end up giving us pretty advanced consoles for a $399 price point, I'd be over the moon. I just don't think they are willing to lose >$100 for it.People soon forget the 8GB of GDDR5 megaton and calls of $599 for PS4 confirmed.
You're all under Sony's spell. I would've loved to see Cerny's face when he told Wired PS5 will be sold at a compelling price. I think something like this:
And I ain't banking on $399 either. I just believe there is much exaggeration about costs of components to Sony/MS. Not even the custom SSD is anything new/exotic tech wise unlike stuff in PS3 for example. For all we know the rumoured delay for PS5 could be to enable $399 because it just wasn't possible for 2019? Of course everything is subject to tariffs, Brexit uncertainty and possible recession etc.
This crossed my mind several times,yeah.
Zen2 won't be hot new thing in late 2020,AMD will have Zen3 next year,GDDR6 and SSD will only get cheaper etc.
Btw,if they launch $399 PS5 we shouldn't expect any price cut for a very,very long time...that strategy worked very well for PS4.
Ill gladly pay $599 US if the tech is there to support it. That's just a hair under $800 Canadian, so 700-800 got my vote.
One of the most important thing for them,as Jim Ryan said few months ago, is massive adoption and fast transfer of existing PS4 owners to PS5.That will not happen with $499 price.Enthusiast market will buy $499 console but after ~6 months sales would slump with next global recession around the corner.
Yeah the $399 could be kept for years just like with PS4. I think when Sony talked about wanting to even out the boom/bust model from generation cross overs in their IR Day reports a stable price for a long period was a big part of it as its worked so well with PS4?
this is a great point, but I am finding the (assumed)components list difficult to price at $399.
Just saw this, you can already get 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD for $95.
1 year from now that thing will be available for what, ~$80?
Sony and MS will probably pay less then $50 for them.It seems SSD prices are going down faster then i expected.
I honestly haven't noticed much of that this gen (referring to mostly Sony exclusives).
Days Gone is hardly the only game guilty of this.
But yes, i do hope that next gen ingame models come very close to their realtime cutscene models. it has bugged me in every game this gen. Even horizon and god of war use a different lower quality model and it just bugs me. the entire point of realtime cutscenes is to keep the gulf between character models as small as possible but it seems to get wider with every game.
What are y'all talking about? As far as Sony's exclusives go the cutscene models look just as good as the "real time" ones.
Edit: I was talking to that game dev again and... y'all gonna be surprised!
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Stuff is impressive , don't like how fuzzy it looks sometimes .
Still best to wait and see how other devs engines going to look .
Don't forget we not really see much next gen stuff yet .
For the people are are worrying about visuals next-gen, just don't.
It's the least of our worries. Sorry if I sound like a smartass but judging from what I was talking about with that game dev he convinced me that we're going to be all set
with visuals. It's the utilization of the CPU and SSD (GPU too) that I have daunting concerns about.
It's the least of our worries. Sorry if I sound like a smartass but judging from what I was talking about with that game dev he convinced me that we're going to be all set
with visuals. It's the utilization of the CPU and SSD (GPU too) that I have daunting concerns about.
Can you please give me the original link or source or thread of those gifs? Is there a presentation we can watch?
The livestream presentation was deleted from internet
there is an article about it on this thread
I was talking about the SE demo .
It's impressive but we should wait and see what they other devs up to engine wise .
Thread has a habit of comparing next gen tech to current gen tech engine wise with games.
As for character models i know for certain they said for UC4 that drake is the same in gameplay and cutscene .
Still cutscene will alway slook better since they have more control over everything .
She's not using the proper hair products
Source: dude with a receding hairline
Days Gone is hardly the only game guilty of this.
But yes, i do hope that next gen ingame models come very close to their realtime cutscene models. it has bugged me in every game this gen. Even horizon and god of war use a different lower quality model and it just bugs me. the entire point of realtime cutscenes is to keep the gulf between character models as small as possible but it seems to get wider with every game.
Yeah there's a lot of games this gen that are guilty of this, days gone was just a personal gripe of mine, you're right there's been so many games throughout this entire generation that have swapped out between high quality and low quality models between cutscenes and in game.
Is this because of current gen hardware limitations or just a way for developers to reduce development time and cost? it's a question that's been bugging me probably since the PS3 days lol.
if it's the former then i hope that with the implementation of an SSD plus a newer CPU somehow reduces the likeliness of this happening again next gen.
Ya, it also depends on the lighting in the scene and the camera angle. Other techniques such as SSS effect that as well.
I know other games do it but UC4 was not one of them .
Would have to check and see if it the same for other Sony games if the info out there.
I don't think people are exaggerating prices. Lets look back at 2013. 28nm APU, 8GB of GDDR5 and 500GB HDD cost sony like $100, $88 and $23 respectively. Thats $211 before you factor in cooling and other components. So you believe a 7nm APU (even after AMD has repeatedly shown and said it costs more), 16GB+ of GDDR6, and 1TB SSD will still land at around $220? And then you now factor in things like the better cooling solution and at least a faster BR drive (even if just going from 6x to 8x, and things like these have a price floor they will not go below).
My guess is that those three primary components I listed will end up costing them at least $280... if not $300.
Is it off at all times or is it dynamically adjusted around rest of the game load at any given time (because sometimes it is very clear that it is lacking SSR but at other times, I can't figure it out)?
I ask because:
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Hey buddy, didn't I explain to you the reason for that some time ago here in the same thread? Also you kept writing SSR while it's SSS, you seem to have forgotten.
Dictator explaiend it to you again.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFuck you're 100% correct. IIRC I even have it bookmarked. God damn. Sorry & Thanks.
Does not look better then the recent UE4 digital humans
At 1min mark
Also on a side note
What if the PS5 is 10 - 15% more powerful in tflop count, but scarlett has better ray tracing performance.
Which console can claim "the most powerful"?
Well, I'm just going off what has been said here. Zen, Navi, etc.. aren't cheap. You have to factor in the extra year (the consoles will launch fall 2020) and the reduced prices Sony/MS get for ordering so many parts. However, the base prices are still up there.
i doubt it. its all GPU stuff, and the devs are simply using low quality models to save resources for the environment. you mostly only see the faces of characters when you turn the camera around which is very rare in a shooter like gears.
LOD isnt the only thing that gets downgraded, the lighting during cutscenes is enhanced and they fake a lot of the lighting to ensure the character's faces are properly lit regardless of the current lighting in the environment. tbh, i dont know how you can ever simulate cutscene lighting during gameplay sequences.
Days Gone is hardly the only game guilty of this.
But yes, i do hope that next gen ingame models come very close to their realtime cutscene models. it has bugged me in every game this gen. Even horizon and god of war use a different lower quality model and it just bugs me. the entire point of realtime cutscenes is to keep the gulf between character models as small as possible but it seems to get wider with every game.
The Uncharted 4 is less flagrant than the Gears one. I remember reading that the cutscenes use LOD0 of characters and the only way to see it ingame is throughout photomode or in very close up cameras when you stop moving and move the camera the closest to your character.
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No its not the gameplay characters in UC4 can look just as downgraded as the gears 5 ones in gameplay.
Are you talking about UC4 everything i seem to find say the drake character model is the same as cutscenes .
It not looking as good has more do with other things like camera , lighting etc etc .
Uncharted 4 has various LOD models which are displayed according to viewing distances. In PSX 2014 gameplay they used dynamic tesselation which makes some details get improved dynamically when nearing the camera like the nose and the belt but it was too apparent and slow to notice so they dropped the dynamic tesselation method for a traditional LOD model swapping. The only way to see the LOD0 from cutscenes is in photomode or in the nearest closeup during gameplay (technically when you are still obviously, to have a chance to get the close with the camera).
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