Dit I miss something or dis Kleegamefan confirm this? Will the PS5 incluse a CELL processor to ensure PS3 BC like how the early PS3s had Emotion Engines to allow flawless PS2 BC or will the PS5 have efficient CELL emulation?
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
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Dit I miss something or dis Kleegamefan confirm this? Will the PS5 incluse a CELL processor to ensure PS3 BC like how the early PS3s had Emotion Engines to allow flawless PS2 BC or will the PS5 have efficient CELL emulation?
I thought "Perfect Cell" would've made the joke obvious.
It's obviously Mr Perfect Cell.
64 RDNA CUs in a console is one big fat, thick vascular pipe dream.
This may be a dumb question, but I'm going to ask it anyway. To be honest, much of this thread goes way over my head. I still read it religiously, though.
I'm about to upgrade my 2011 iMac. According to benchmarks, the 2019 iMac is about 2.5 times faster than my current computer. After eight years, I ascribed the relatively modest increase to Moore's Law. So how is it that the power of consoles has increased far more in less time?
I'm about to upgrade my 2011 iMac. According to benchmarks, the 2019 iMac is about 2.5 times faster than my current computer. After eight years, I ascribed the relatively modest increase to Moore's Law. So how is it that the power of consoles has increased far more in less time?
It all depends on what you measure, as the tool, the method and the environment used. A benchmark can end to only measure itself if didn't correctly written or used. Some software will drastically take advantage of new CPU instructions, others from memory bandwidth or GPU. So the progress won't be linear if you chose on or other benchmark to illustrate it. Tflop used im this thread are based on very general approach of computing power, based on raw calculations. When computers manufacturers wants to illustrate a progressions, they tend to use thing more practical like video encoding, files exportations, database rebuilding or code compilation.
Thanks for the great answer! I used Geekbench as a reference.
I'm very interested to see if Microsoft shoot for 60fps across the board on Scarlett. It sure sounds like they will going by what they achieved this gen with the likes of Gears, Forza and Halo as well as what Phil Spencer has been saying about next-gen since 2018.
Guys another dev yesterday talked about both next gen consoles and he proceeded again to rave about ps5 SSD solution and how much effect it has on game design on top of the load times.
I feel it's safe to assume ps5 has a superior SSD solution between the two.
Thought ?
*If you want the article let me know and I can post it .
I feel it's safe to assume ps5 has a superior SSD solution between the two.
Thought ?
*If you want the article let me know and I can post it .
They're definitely transitioning all their first party games to 60fps, that's for sure.
It could also be that the PS5 is their lead platform so he chose to use that to make his point.
At the end of the day, that developer is limited by the lowest common denominator anyway so in terms of game design it wouldn't even matter if PS5 has a faster SSD solution.
This is like saying it's safe to assume Xbox has superior RT between the two. Without actual specs, making such an assumption is pointless.
And of course a source would be good. If a dev source is anonymous, then at least the journalistic source has to be credible. If neither is mentioned then what's the use discussing this?
I dont think PS5 will be always online because just a few months ago shawn layden said that they have a lot of consumers in weaker countries without a reliable internet connection. So maybe this is talking about scarlett?
What i do find interesting in their quote is more storage, maybe we will see over 1TB like i predicted?
His name is tim Ash from boxfrog games
""Lost Wing has a lot of respawning (well, when I play it does…), and hence reloading," said, Ash. "Thankfully we're very prompt on load times after the initial load, but the advent of having high performance SSDs on PS5 is a bigger deal for general performance and immersion than I think a lot of people realise.""
I need to rectify an error. Looking at BC collection for OG Xbox games on S and X, it looks like ALL of them inherently are made playable at higher resolution (9x for X). So you were correct.
Unfortunately, this does not apply to all BC 360 titles on S and X.
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That article was posted here before already, a couple of pages back I think.
Yep, it's from 06th.September
The hell of logic is that? Sony worked for this patent for years. That's a bit expectable their loading solutions should be better in some way. No one said MS will sleep on it but doesn't seems they are worked on it many years like did sony. Not sure what should indicate RT would be better in the MS front.
I hope to fuck 60fps is a focus.
I don't want to play 30fps games. I haven't since the dreamcast.
I don't want to play 30fps games. I haven't since the dreamcast.
I don't care if the PS5 has an faster SSD then Scarlett (or vice versa), the most important thing is that both will use them and we will be happy with it.
That's your loss, you missed a lot of good games.
I hope to fuck 60fps is a focus.
I don't want to play 30fps games. I haven't since the dreamcast.
I don't want to play 30fps games. I haven't since the dreamcast.
I can't imagine Sony or Microsoft being this dumb. What if you want to take your console with you on a trip, on your mobile home, RV or whatever.
I think we shouldn't jump to be obtuse about the 'always online' thing.
My PS4, my iPhone is 'always online'. My PS4 can network-wake and do things and go back to sleep. But I can disconnect it and use it offline if I want.
'Always online' does not mean mandatory online connectivity in the original XB1 sense. It means - I'm sure - in the sense of any modern device with network connectivity.
My PS4, my iPhone is 'always online'. My PS4 can network-wake and do things and go back to sleep. But I can disconnect it and use it offline if I want.
'Always online' does not mean mandatory online connectivity in the original XB1 sense. It means - I'm sure - in the sense of any modern device with network connectivity.
It's too late Gofreak, I've already started the #PS5NoDRM twitter campaign.
I mean, of course it's not gonna happen, but it's fun to dream.
I never had an issue with always-online as long you were able to play your games offline for a period of time if for instance the service is not available. Most games today expect an online connection anyway.
Mandatory online connection is a purely a consumer hostile move. Hopefully they learned the lesson and neither of them will try this bullshit again.
It's up to developers. Most of them seem to choose 30fps with better visuals. I don't think Sony ever put a frames restriction
They don't, they won't, and they shouldn't. Should always be a dev choice, because each game benefits from different things.
'cept, of course, for VR, for obvious reasons.
Neither Sony or MS will enforce a mandatory minimum frame rate target from third party developers.
I don't think MS will do the 60fps for all fp on scarlett either, unless if they are going forward with their plan of keeping the Xbox one forward compatible with exclusives.
I don't think MS will do the 60fps for all fp on scarlett either, unless if they are going forward with their plan of keeping the Xbox one forward compatible with exclusives.
I'm so in on this. I would get anaconda and PS5 in a heartbeat. In reality I bet we are getting 1ps5 and 1 Xbox and they will probably be about the same.
I know trust me I've had many arguments with a pc gamer friend.
"The PS4 is too weak for 60fps"
"That not how it works, the megadrive was 60fps"
I just wish with the level of power available the majority of devs aim for responsive smooth readable games.
I don't have faith in Western devs who don't seem to realise that games are interactive.
Back in Sega's Halcyon days 60fps blazing fast blue skies arcade gameplay, easy to play tough to master.. oh what a time to be alive. The glory days.
These days even Sega's arcade games are at 30hx (sometimes.)
Like Wonderland Wars.
A great looking toybox real-time strategy game (which should be ported) but runs at a choppy 30 fps....so sad.
Gears 5 is 60fps on all modes whilst OG Xbox is 30fps for campaign and 60fps for multi. Phil has spoken repeatedly about how frames are important to them for Scarlett. I think you can book the prioritizing of fps coming from first party studios.
The point is that it's comparing and deciding on superiority of solutions based on no available specs.
We've already went through similar stuff for several threads and it ended up doing nothing but inflame console warring.
while i agree that mandatory frame rates shouldn't be enforced i would love it if more an more developers support "custom experiences" within their games that the player can adjust to suit their tastes, such as 1080p@60fps mode or cb4K@60fps etc, like the mid gen refreshes.
Of course 60fps can't be the focus and won't be.
Are we really expecting 4K/60fps with ray tracing to be the focus?
The best thing that developers can do is to give graphics options in their games.
Are we really expecting 4K/60fps with ray tracing to be the focus?
The best thing that developers can do is to give graphics options in their games.
Oh yeah I wasn't advocating for that
I usually choose graphics over performance when they give me the option anyway
I think something like 45fps will be a nice compromise with VRR displays.
We don't need to go all the way up to 60fps with VRR. Though some games might want to push 120fps if they don't care about resolution and have simple stylised graphics.
We don't need to go all the way up to 60fps with VRR. Though some games might want to push 120fps if they don't care about resolution and have simple stylised graphics.
I agree. Because MS already confirmed all 1st party XBOX games will be multi-plats (no exclusive Scarlett games) for the time being ("when Scarlett launches), hence whatever runs on an XBOX One S should easily be able to run at 60fps on their next gen console.
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