Edge by what? 0.2 TF? Lol
What about the 0.4 ghz in CPU and 48 in bandwidth in favor of Scarlett?
If these specs are true then there is no edge to write home about.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
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Edge by what? 0.2 TF? Lol
What about the 0.4 ghz in CPU and 48 in bandwidth in favor of Scarlett?
If these specs are true then there is no edge to write home about.
Oh ok I haven't been in this thread much, didn't know about the GI Editors info, I did hear about the KLee GameFan guy talking in here a while ago. Interesting.
Kleegamefan - he suggested that PS5 has the ever slightest edge
Thanks for the info. Funny thing is that I have still not seen this flute rumor. I think I was either banned when it was making the rounds and just never bothered to look at it properly or its one of those things I dismissed lol.
As or the MS RAM thing, I am leaning more towards the RAMchip mixture they used being a misdirect so as to not give an exact number on ram mount of their hardware. Because the wole mixture thing just doesn't work based on how I understand GDDR6 working.
That's why I mentioned the move away from baking. It would make a lot of sense for devs to want it simply for that reason.
Flute popped up in the userbench DB, found by Kemchi. It had:
- CPU score very similar to the 1700X.
- 8 cores 16 threads at 1.6Ghz and 3.2Ghz boost.
- 16 1GB GDDR6 chips in a clamshell that scored 530GB/s in the benchmark.
- GPU was 2Ghz.
The benchmark was taken down so no link to it anymore, maybe someone here has a screenshot. Flute is also a Shakespeare reference so the leak seemed pretty sound and it replaced the good old Gonzalo leak.
So from that leak, we can assume that PS5 has a 256-bit bus with 16GB of 18Gbps GDDR6 running at an unknown speed, probably a bit under 18Gbps which means a bit under 576GB/s.
I'm not sure what kind of misdirect the can do using that setup. If it's not mixed it's 10GB of GDDR6 or 20GB of GDDR6, no other option, and I'm pretty sure it's not 10GB :)
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I think you use the word "edge" different than everyone else.
Yep.
Anything that makes life even slightly easier for devs is a major plus in my book. Game development is no joke.
I don't know how I missed all that.
Sounds very very legit, especially the clamshell thing because at the time of running that test they probably didn't have access to 16Gb GDDR6 chips.
But if that's the case then it would also mean PS5 would definitely have to have some sort of LPDDR4 additional RAM or something. No way it makes sense they share that 16GB GDDR6 between the OS and apps.
I wouldn't be surprised if all three were downclocked for the final retail product compared to dev kit. Just my speculation, however.
If true that's all they need for marketing. Even if by .Infinite...001 TF. .infinite 99999< 1
What if the mixed RAM density thing is due to a non-unified RAM pool? We know that access contention between CPU and GPU can have a pretty disproportionate impact on available bandwidth and, with Zen 2 being considerably more powerful and sensitive to latency, it might make sense to give the CPU its own set of pipes. HBCC could be used to both virtually unify the pools and shuttle data between them, if necessary.
Say, a 256bit bus for the GPU and your typical 64bit bus for the CPU.
Say, a 256bit bus for the GPU and your typical 64bit bus for the CPU.
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Fair enough. Even though I think a proper leak would be exciting, it might be cool to experience a proper reveal (for once).
When looking back at things they did right with the PS4 design, I imagine unified memory would be up high on their list, so I can't imagine it changing.
I think everyone finding out at the same time during a reveal would be cool. We're probably ~4 months away from it anyway. It is right around the corner.
I really don't know about this... But I can't say for certain because I am not sure because there has never been a single GPU or system that uses different sizes of GDDR RAM. Even the RTX 2080 TI that has 11GB simply left a space on the board blank as opposed to 10x1GB modules + 2x 512MB modules whch would have meant it would have had a higher bus width and in turn higher bandwidth. There has to be a reason for that. Here's an image of the RTX 2080 ti PCB.
Notice they opted to leave a space blank? If you could mix GDDR sizes, wouldnt ithave been better for them to use 10x1GB modules and 2x512MB mdeuls to notjustget their 11GB otal ut also get higher bandwidth over the 384-bit bus as opposed to a 352-bit bus?
And from what I know about PCs and DDR RAM, if you have different sizes of RAM, all the ones of identical size can work optimally in their dual channel mode, the ones that aren't of a similar size only work as single-channel RAM.
It is reduced like that for yield. The full version of this die only shows up in Titan products and has all 12 memory channels active.I really don't know about this... But I can't say for certain because I am not sure because there has never been a single GPU or system that uses different sizes of GDDR RAM. Even the RTX 2080 TI that has 11GB simply left a space on the board blank as opposed to 10x1GB modules + 2x 512MB modules whch would have meant it would have had a higher bus width and in turn higher bandwidth. There has to be a reason for that. Here's an image of the RTX 2080 ti PCB.
Notice they opted to leave a space blank? If you could mix GDDR sizes, wouldnt ithave been better for them to use 10x1GB modules and 2x512MB mdeuls to notjustget their 11GB otal ut also get higher bandwidth over the 384-bit bus as opposed to a 352-bit bus?
And from what I know about PCs and DDR RAM, if you have different sizes of RAM, all the ones of identical size can work optimally in their dual channel mode, the ones that aren't of a similar size only work as single-channel RAM.
GameSpot has a list comparing specs of scarlet and ps5 based on public info...it says scarlet has a 1.6 clock on th zen 2. Where did they pull that bs number from? Lol
Edit: and it specifically says scarlet has 16 gigs of ram, what is going on?
ok. Then can you answer this cause its got me stumped.
Can they mix different sizes of RAM with GDDR? Cause I don't think anyone has ever done it.
LOL, they have Arcturus for the Scarlett GPU.
Yes, it's just impractical because of dead address space relative to the number of address bits. For example, with a 320-bit bus and 8Gb/4Gb chips, you would have (2^32)^10 address possibilities, but some of those addresses would map to addresses that didn't physically exist. It can also prevent you from storing things in efficient blocks if you like to spread it across chips. An example being that to exploit bandwidth of the memory, you could spread a texture out across all 10 chips in the same address range for each individual chip. However, some of those chips would have half of their address range "dead" in comparison to the other chips, making exploiting the parallel bus trickier.
The GPU on scarlett is also specifically listed as arcturus, so obviously this is nothing
How can something like this be posted by Gamespot? Wtf
And I said they pulled the numbers from their ass, it thought it was worth a laugh
You don't find the humor in saying that the article will cause misinformation but also being the person to post it?
*throws lit match into forest* "Damn, that's gonna burn so many trees 😥"
It shouldn't cause misinformation here. I think it is more for folk not actively following next gen tech like we are.
*Walks into a fire station* "hey guys, can you believe people actually think that cotton candy is an effective way to put out fire?"
I walked into a thread with posters that know better, to share something funny. I would agree with you if I did this with any other thread
Ok, I think you may have taken some kind of offense when I meant none. Also not everybody will read every post and lurkers take random posts from here and post them elsewhere, facts be damned. But I wasn't trying to knock you, I legitimately found it funny. Sorry if you feel some type of way.
My bad! No issue at all, it's easy misinterpret things through text. My apologies!
Don't worry about it man.
This thread was overwhelmed with pastebin nonsense too with discussion over pages.
An Instinct product that isn't even capable of displaying graphics.
Probably so.
It is a matter of what the devs want. Most of them will want to add extra graphical features over 60fps. The former sells games more.
I thought it was the successor to navi. 🤷🏾♂️
Who knows though, there could be different modes with lower rez and higher fps though.
the fall of gamespot. just wow. absolutely awful. anyone with half a brain wouldve done their research. simply inexcusable.
Wow that post by GameSpot. Loved that place when I first got into game forums in 2006 during peak Wii hype.
why would they even post that? I know the clicks but they'll get just as many without the 1TB, 1.6Ghz numbers and details.
why would they even post that? I know the clicks but they'll get just as many without the 1TB, 1.6Ghz numbers and details.
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