How is going to be more advanced if they use the same tec?
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How is going to be more advanced if they use the same tec?
I just think there is potential for the X2 to do better than X1. We would have to see whether that is only by a little or a more notable amount, but I think it is at least feasible.
The X1's negative momentum was like a ball and chain through the entire gen. It sold out and what not at the very beginning because of new gen hype but it started to lag really quick. If the X2 starts with none of that negative momentum and is actually received well at launch, why wouldn't it be able to leg it out more than X1?
The Xbox brand is in a better spot than this gen's start, but still worse than at the end if the 360 era.
No new IPs to speak of, very few notable releases in general, and lost relevance in nearly all key markets.
Given PS5 will lock a lot of its user base in with BC, and MS's hardware agnostic approach, NextBox could definitely do worse than the XBone.
That isn't impossible either. I just think some of X1's misfortunes can be attributed to how poor its perception was. With that gone, I could see it potentially doing better. MS will definitely have to step it up with games though.
Just a really big IF in that ill will being gone.
I was at a con in my country recently, a fairly enthusiast-oriented one, and the X was selling cheaper than the Pro.
I don't think their power oriented approach changed much if even techies aren't buying Xbox.
Never said both companies won't be successful. Just saying MS or Xbox measure of success won't be tied to their console sales. Which is indicative of the direction MS seems to be taking Xbox.
And you can't talk sales of any sort without talking about Sony/Playstation and MS/Xbox... they are in competition after all. One doing well in sales is usually at the expense of the other, you can dispute that all you want but its a fact. And I am saying, that unlike this gen, MS is going into next-gen giving people even fewer reasons to physically buy their console. And rather than talk on the points I have made to support my theory, you instead choose to turn it into some sort of console war nonsense.
Anyways I can see this is a touchy subject for you, so let's leave it alone.
Lol at bolded.
How should it have been? Now developers know they don't have to worry about money and finding publishers for the next game. Obsidian and InXile already have a teams working on XGS games. Psychonauts 2 and Wasteland 3 got bigger budget thanks to MS. MS buying studios after TOW/P2/W3 release would have been worse for both parties. You think it's pretty realistic to find a developer who just released the game AND don't ANY contract with some publisher?
MS willingness to inflate game budgets and visions until projects implode is well reported.
The failed Obsidian Xbox exclusive (Stormland) is a big reason they could be bought for cheaper.
All these studios being bought at once to show off, irregardless of their previous commitments, is again a sign of poor management.
You're going to have to deal with redundancies, management changes, new hiring, new communication, new structuring, new overhead WHILE also developing and releasing a game, possibly with a third unrelated publisher in the mix.
A recent comparison, Sony buying Insomniac, happened AFTER they shipped their big game.
All of his tweets are drowning in hash tags. Clearly an account concerned about getting followers, and not so much posting accurate info.
I disagree. I just don't see it happening. And I will point out again (cause some people may take it the wrong way), this isn't because MS is not going to make great hardware or not have great IPs, or that they still won't be successful. This is just going off everything MS has been doing over the last like 2 years in preparation for the next Xbox.
To me, I think the elephant n the room s xcloud and gamepass. More importantly, if MS intends to have their exclusives on those platforms on day one with their physical/digital releases. Doing that makes it such that you have zero reasons to go out and spend another $500 for an Xbox console. It actually makes it stupid to do so if you are in a position where you can only buy one UHD console.
I think its clear that at some point MS pivoted and decided that Xbox is going to be a GAAS company. I could be wrong, but thats what everything they are ong seems to be suggesting. It's like them with surface computers... MS makes some of the best computers, but they are still primarily a windows company.
Don't et me wrong, I feel this is a smart move on ther part and is playing more to their strengths than anything, just don't see how people don't see how it will directly affect their physical hardware sales/presence. all me crazy, but it may even be possible at some point to install an xcloud app on your PS5 and play Xbox games.
I think MS will do better from the point of view of games next-generation but I think the big games will arrive maybe late in the generation out of the next Halo, Forza, Forza Horizon and The Playground games and AA Indie. It tooks one decade for Sony to arrive where the are now and the big games arrived mid PS3 gen with the first onw being Ucharted 2. And now games take longer to be made.
An he thinks there wil be a PS5 reveal every expo, same at Gamescom. And the 21st February 2013 is the reveal date of TLOU knowing the game is rumored to launch in February he maybe find the date by luck.
No, I see what you're saying. I just don't think that impact will happen this soon. I see it as something that eventually happens down the line. For now, you'll still have the more traditional/casual folk buying consoles. MS still has a lot of promoting to do for stuff like GP, Xcloud, etc... It isn't entirely widespread across their fanbase and those just interested yet.
Sony had big titles before the PS3 era though.
Earlier they could afford fewer due to their market dominance and their industry ties.
Nintendo had plenty of titles throughout its history as well.
Even if we limit the discussion to the "blockbuster exclusive" era, with Uncharted 2, this still leaves MS a full decade behind their competitor.
The problem isn't the number of studios, it's the top down handling of them.
They have had years with a number of titles comparable to Sony/Nintendo, but rarely have they outshined them in hype, reviews or sales.
Plenty of devs have criticised MS's approach to development, in particular requesting features that would look good for their brand (Kinect support, multiplayer, coop...).
GP's day one strategy could dictate most game be GAAS to be profitable, as shown with Gears 5, for an easy example.
https://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulleti...s-eine-Uebersicht-der-neuen-AMD-CPUs-und-APUs
Look at OPN 100-000000004, the ES APU (13F9) has 32 MB L3 cache, 8C16T and 1.6/3.2Ghz base/boost clocks.
The OPN and PCI-ID 13F9 are same as AMD Flute.
Look at OPN 100-000000004, the ES APU (13F9) has 32 MB L3 cache, 8C16T and 1.6/3.2Ghz base/boost clocks.
The OPN and PCI-ID 13F9 are same as AMD Flute.
I don't think so the Gamepass will probably make most of single player games to be AA more than AAA Sony is able to release a pretty good number of AAA games during a generation.
A "AA" focus is just speculation, while we've already seen plenty of GaaS coming from MS first party.
Even if AA became the focus, that still wouldn't prevent MS from making them GaaS titles, just on a lower budget.
Sample? Question s when was that addition made to his list, cause that OP was from june this year?
Then again I don't really get te flute leak, never followed it that much. So I don't even know how people know that it has a smaller cache. I am just trusting Era.
If both machines have similar power, pricing is going to be very interesting.
Also I wonder if this time the prices are reversed.
Ps5 499$ - Scarlet 399$
Also I wonder if this time the prices are reversed.
Ps5 499$ - Scarlet 399$
Pricing is easily offset by other metrics such as target software revenue, etc. And PSN being the largest generator of the big 3, I think price is flexible enough where PlayStation will never give Xbox the price edge.
I know this is somewhat of the next gen topic but I think what a higher number of internal studios does is give them some breathing room. It gives them room to keep things secret longer and delay titles that clearly need to be delayed. I think it's fair to say the future looks bright for XGS games. They have a lot of solid studios that now have the tools, the time and hopefully the freedom to do what they want.
Yea, it sucks that they turned single player only Gears into a GaaS because of Game Pass.
Was that perception still there years after the launch ?
PS3 show that you can turn things around but no matter what they did with XB it never fully recover in certain markets.
I think the problem is for certain markets it no longer really matter what XB does it's mindshare is gone hardware wise .
Which is one of the reasons why MS no longer tied there self to XB hardware .
Yeah, a fourth delay for Crackdown 3 would have really done the trick
This sounds like a narrative you've pulled out of thin air. Your example is them still having to finish PS4 commitments? That's silly, all of the purchased studios have multiple games in development and there would likely never have been a time where they didn't.
The same could be argued for the $399 PlayStation's this gen. Even Richard Leadbetter thinks it would be risky for Sony to rock that boat with PS5.
Most here think both will be at least $499 but I think most of this is based around a lot of exaggeration of the parts costs.
Truth is i in the $449 group but yeah people mostly for $499 or $399 .
Getting acquired while in the middle of development is like a restaurant changing food supplier, owner, and a decent number of cooks and waiting staff in the middle of dinner service on a Saturday.
Well maybe who knows. Perhaps the project isn't announced so early and is cancelled and just becomes a future kotaku article. Also I put a few hours in to crackdown, the mp is a disgrace but there is fun to be had in the sp. That also wasn't a XGS team. Anyway, your comment doesn't change a thing I said.
I don't think PS and Xbox are comparable in that regard because PS is going to be successful in certain markets no matter what. Xbox success is basically limited to a few markets.
Not a touchy subject, it's just people won't read what I say and will try and mould the conversation to suit there stance,
For example if you read my first post on the subject I even say console sales won't improve drastically but sub count will.
And it is utterly bizarre that you say you can't talk sales without talking about PlayStation, you absolutely can, if Somone wants to talk about why a company will do better they are not obligated to talk about the competition.
If you wish to talk about how each company sales effect each other thats your choice, but that's not what I wanted to do and there's nothing wrong with that.
I did not wish to get into a Sony vs ms sales conversation, if you do then your welcome to, but I will be no part of it.
And you saying ms are giving ppl fewer reasons to buy there console is not necessarily true, there will certainly be more PC gamers who don't buy one, but that does not mean the console will sell less overall, its basically an impossible statement to make, no one knows how big an impact the games, services and hardware will make on console sales.
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Don't see how any of the announced games have been affected negatively. But sure, let's go with that.
If any company takes a loss on gaming hardware I can guarantee you that's Sony and not Ms and they proved it with the X . Gaming division importance is very different between these 2 companies hence allowance for taking loss on hardware is different between their organizational philosophy on that subject .
It's not impossible at all. At the beginning of last generation, there were no ways to play Xbox game without an Xbox.
Now there are. Selling the same amount is NOT a given. Selling more is even less of a given.
The pricing is where I think all the drama will be this time round when both are near identical. Who pulls the trigger first and how long dare they wait to announce it now both are almost certainly releasing within days of each other?
It changes in the fact that MS has been more than willing to delay several of its projects before the acquisitions.
Furthermore Sony was the one criticised for announcing its projects too early, NOT MS.
You are also ignoring the fact that Xbox exclusives were feature complete, but were criticised for being uninspired, boring or laden with micro transactions.
Having more studios does nothing to change that.
Isn't it more like the owners of a restaurant switching hands? It may mean down the line that all those changes occur but that is up to the owners no?
I'd love to be wrong, but I still don't think that MS can match Sony in having killer first party games.
There really isn't. Sony is in a substantially stronger position than they were at the beginning of last generation, and vendor lock-in is greater. This means that Microsoft's job with the X2 is to convince PS4 owners to jump ship to Xbox if they want to "do better" than they did with the X1.
I don't really see how they do this, given that their first party offerings are still much weaker, and what they DO have can easily be played without buying the console. Since both consoles are reportedly running similar tech that means that there's no possibility of undercutting Sony on price, either.
The best case scenario is where they don't LOSE any more marketshare, but this is unlikely given that owning an Xbox to play its exclusives just isn't necessary anymore.
As for sales, again... I think you can't talk sales of a UHD console without talking about its "only" and "primary" competitor. Cause as history has clearly and repeatedly shown, how well one does affects the sales of the other. If MS sales improve in EU, it will be at the expense of sony PlayStation sales. I am not saying its impossible, just saying that it's unlikely, for the reasons I previously stated.
As for everything else... well, we will see I guess.
What going to be interesting is seeing the deals they make during the year .
This gen has showed that companies don't want to drop the price much any more but will to do deals to keep hardware sales up .
It crazy that we in PS4 6th year and it still $299 .
Most of the announced games aren't out, and devs can't easily comment on issues.
It might take years to even find reliable details
However, this is what happens with every merger in every industry: they are inherently distruptive.
Which is why you don't do them in the middle of key projects just to show off.
I personally think it will be $499 because klee has said they will be more powerful then 9.2tflops.
I think a $399 console would be more in the 7-8tflop range.
Big corporations buying studios of hundreds of people in the middle of major projects is a little more complicated.
It's not like MS just leaves a big bag of money outside of Obsidian every month.
Edit: beside the fact that an ownership change alone, even for a small restaurant, is plenty disruptive.
No offense to restaurant workers.
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