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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
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I don't think I have been that inconsistent.
I originally thought PS5 would be 11~13TF, then Navi got revealed with the IPC increase so I lowered expectation of the raw tf number so it would perform according to my expectation.
I don't see why equivalency doesn't exist anymore.
Before navi premiere I assumed performance level between vega 56-64 (10.5-12.5tf vega). After premiere it seems that we get 9.2tf but with performace 1.1-1.15x above my expectation so I'm happy. Hope we will get 16GB ram for games + some ram for os/cache and not only 16GB total.
I've been following this set of rumors since the first tweet that mentioned Ariel = PS5?. While it seems the most probable rumor, I don't think it's yet time to declare it "absolutely correct".
Too many posters in here convincing themselves of certain specs when nothing is certain yet. Ya'll gotta chill.
Edit- ya'll look silly getting hostile over other poster's predictions and thoughts, gotta realize that you're all cherry picking rumors...
Oberon is definitely PS5 because what else would have PS4 and PS4 pro's gpu clocks listed as previous generation?!
I will repeat myself, this APU has a GPU with 3 clock speed configurations, PS4's 800MHz, PS4 pro's 911MHz, and 2000MHz, this is an almost assured proof that this is the next generation PlayStation
So what month are we expecting next gen to arrive? October or November, or maybe as early September?
Hope it's August :D.
Hope it's August :D.
November most likely, maybe late October, but not earlier than that.
Damn that's at least 14 months away :(
Edit: I just checked both PS4 and Xbox 1 were released in the middle of November.
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Early PS5 devkits were likely packing a Vega 64 or a Radeon VII - i.e. the were performance target devkits - and that's most likely where we get rumors like Warren's or Benji's from. So, 12 to 13TF, higher than the 10.7TF from Stadia.
We now know that, performance-wise, the RX 5700XT pretty much aligns with that.
We now know that, performance-wise, the RX 5700XT pretty much aligns with that.
I can't thank you enough for this. Excellent summary and helps me catch up on this thread.
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This gives me flashbacks to the speculation threads at the old place prior to the start of the current gen. EVERYONE thought the PS4 would be 10-20% more powerful than the Wii U. I was just not buying it.
I always think back to the "2.5 teraflop" Sweeney quote and the ensuing fiasco it caused. He wasn't really wrong, but it didn't exactly hold true in the console space.
It's better to allow for some wiggle-room with tweets/quotes/etc from reliable sources, no reason to call them out as liars, and no reason to treat them like they were carved in stone from on high either.
It's better to allow for some wiggle-room with tweets/quotes/etc from reliable sources, no reason to call them out as liars, and no reason to treat them like they were carved in stone from on high either.
If Xbox gives me the estimated 380mm2 7nm(+?) die without going too low on frequency I'm going to be a happy man overall. Can't ask for too much more than that in a console in 2020. Let's see how they use the silicon.
I actually believe Sony will have a more powerful console, but I also expect a repeat of the 360/PS3 Gen where their console will be more powerful but also more expensive, andthis time around I have a feeling MS is aiming for a lower price tag like the 360 gen. No fancy new controller that adds useless features, no Kinect, just pure gaming console at a reasonable launch price.
I really doubt anyone is going to have a bigger die than the XB1X this gen. 7nm is just way too expensive for that.
You go too big and you get stuck with a huge die for the rest of the gen, because future die shrinks just don't justify the huge hike in wafer price to net you any real meaningful cost reduction.
You go too big and you get stuck with a huge die for the rest of the gen, because future die shrinks just don't justify the huge hike in wafer price to net you any real meaningful cost reduction.
Accurate, Gonzalo could be 3Ghz tomorrow and it'd still somehow wrap back around to 8-9TF with the armchair engineers talking about thermal budgets and backwards compatibility.
Gonzalo/Oberon/Ariel is almost certainly PS5 but all we have on that is a clock speed that keeps changing and a vague benchmark result.
Maybeeeee this will help :
I'm not gonna say anything specific, but back in June, I asked a buddy of mine who is currently working on a next Gen game what kind of final performance to expect...
PlayStation 5 is not 9.2TF.
Both it and Scarlett are greater than that...
You can choose to believe me or not, I don't care.....I'm not in the gaming industry any more so....
PlayStation 5 is not 9.2TF.
Both it and Scarlett are greater than that...
You can choose to believe me or not, I don't care.....I'm not in the gaming industry any more so....
Any indication of advantages one may have over the other? Bandwidth, ram etc
Ok wait... people here are expecting a 56CU (52CU active) GPU????
It hasn't occurred to some said people that the 40CU 5700XT pulls in an average of 235W while powering less RAM and components than a console will need to power? Oh and also lacking a CPU.
I mean I like throwing numbers around like the best of em... but how does anyone expect any of this to be possible?
If we take a 52CU Navi GPU and couple that with 8GB it would need at least 270W to drive that GPU alone past 1800Mhz. Now let's throw on a CPU and more ram and an SSD, and that's putting power consumption at over 300W. Now lets even assume they are using 7nm+. Thats only gonna give 15% power efficiency. That's still putting the system power draw at over 270W.
How are they gonna shave off 80-120W of power draw to fit inside console ranges?
It hasn't occurred to some said people that the 40CU 5700XT pulls in an average of 235W while powering less RAM and components than a console will need to power? Oh and also lacking a CPU.
I mean I like throwing numbers around like the best of em... but how does anyone expect any of this to be possible?
If we take a 52CU Navi GPU and couple that with 8GB it would need at least 270W to drive that GPU alone past 1800Mhz. Now let's throw on a CPU and more ram and an SSD, and that's putting power consumption at over 300W. Now lets even assume they are using 7nm+. Thats only gonna give 15% power efficiency. That's still putting the system power draw at over 270W.
How are they gonna shave off 80-120W of power draw to fit inside console ranges?
Ayyyyy
This literally changes everything.
Bravo, lol
I have no idea.....I saw the game though and...I just started laughing, it looked so fucking good.....
I'm confused as to why power draw is such a concern in this thread. What's to say these boxes won't be bigger than ever before, with a new type of cooling system that they've never used before? I say, go big or go home. I want a power-hungry beast that sucks up the juice like no console before it. The thirst is real.
Honestly the great thing about that is that 9.2tflops is most likely the MINIMUM we can expect for PS5 if it actually is Oberon. Given that even that would be higher in game performance than my previous predictions (Vega 56-64) and we're getting raytracing and an SSD (neither of which I thought were possible), I'm going to be thoroughly pleased with whatever the final specs are and I think most people in here will too.
Thank you!
Of course its RDNA. Why would devs talk about Vega tflops is beyond me. Tom Warren is posting devkit rumors a day before E3. Two months after the gonzolo qualifying sample leaked and Cerny said Devkits are going out. Why would Cerny release devkits with Vega GPUs especially when gonzalo was so close to being ready?
Anything less than 20% will be negligible. That's like saying a 3-6fps drop which can be massaged out with specific coding.
As it stands, things like the SSD type and implementation is more likely to have a more noticeable impact between the two. And that's already really pushing it cause even that is likely going to be negligent.
I'm the end that's all that matters, thanks for the info
Ah, totally fine for me. But referring to a friend instead of your uncle sure was a missed opportunity ;).
Oh, everyone is going to be pleased no doubt. Vague speculation about teraflops and RAM is fun but nobody is going to care once we see the games which are guaranteed to look amazing.
I agree.
What ? But how does it work for PS5 as everything point to PS5 having Navi 10 with 40CUs ? this is really puzzling. They really can't overclock it above 2ghz, can they ?
Thanks for this BTW ! You spoke AND did know something !
Yeah. The performance figures(once Sony and Microsoft divulge them) won't blow you away but the games will, IMO.
Your body isn't ready.....mine wasn't!
- 5700XT at 2.0 ghz consumes <160w.
- 5700XT at 1.6ghz consumes <100w.
- Add 40% more CUs at 1.6Ghz and you are looking at <140w for a 11.4 tflop 56 CU GPU on 7nm.
- 7nm+. 15-20% smaller die and/or more power efficient. Thats 112-126w for a 56CU GPU at 1.6 Ghz on 7nm+.
- As for Sony, youtubers were able to get CPU wattage down to 10-20w for the new Ryzen 3700. PS5 and most likely Scarlet will have a cutdown version of that.
- HBM2+DDR4. 200-225w console.
you saw a next gen game?
Did it look better than the heretic demo?
Did it look as good as this rebirth demo?
Could you at least tell us that the target specs are very close to each other's ? I think that would put everyone at ease as there won't be a weak baseline (currently XB1) for nextgen games !
Navi 10 has 40 CUs.
Why can't they go over 40 though? It is semi custom
Edit: more cu is more plausible than clocked over 2, is all I'm saying
Just a thought, but what if Gonzalo is the rumored 2019 chip they had so far in dev, that they are now using it in dev kits until they can ship the 2020 chip in dev kits? Does that make any sense?
They can, but Navi 10 LITE seems to be based on the Navi we see today in the shape of 5700 and 5700XT with 36 and 40 CUs.
Actually the scope and detail was CRAAAAZY.
I've never seen anything like it.
I don't know how it compares to other Next-gen titles, though....
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