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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
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I swear, if we have another gen of PCs holding consoles back...
I believe he said it was an RPG game the other day, apologies if i am wrong.
RPGs have the tendecny to adopt the latest techs and fancy effects mroe than other types of games like a hack and Slash or FPS which opt for higher FPS.
In that case, I don't think it will be 60 FPS at all. I don't recall any RPG that is 60 FPS.
Here is a video in English (Next-Gen comments start at 7:00)
No, it's a new IP and he said it doesn't even have a final name yet.
You mentioned Multiplatform aRPG new IP before and I keep forgetting the details damn it. Hopefully I've got my story straight this time. Sounds awesome but a few years out.
Klee can you tell us about the scale of that game?! Fully open world interactive action RPG?
I somehow think it's next Harry Potter!
They say this every generation.
New console launches are really the Salad Days for lazy content authors. There's the classic "New consoles could deliver a Pixar movie...in Real-time!", "New NFL/NBA/FIFA/whatever game will be so photorealistic it's indistinguishable from TV broadcast!", etc.
Oh thanks. I never proofread my posts and forgot to add the main line of my thinking lol.
If they give us a TB drive and we have to swap games, delete and reinstall, that process should be easier if the write speeds are faster, hopefully?
Ultimately limited by the disc speed. In the case of a UHD I am not entirely sure. Faster than PS4, but I am not aware of that ultimate limit off hand.
And Kutaragi said back in 2000 that PS2 will have Toy Story type graphics,if i remember well :)
edit: beaten by Senj
They achieved very high realistic visual with NBA 2K 19 this generation. I believe in what he said.
Hmm...seems you are right! Why i thought Ken said that...
I just found the quote:
Jan. 06, 2001
"Gates said the 3-D chips in the Xbox would be three times faster than anything on the market and offer nearly unlimited graphical visuals.
We're approaching the level of detail seen in Toy Story 2," he said, referring to the computer-generated kids film from Disney/Pixar."
Ok,Ken said that PS3 will be 4D ,i remember that one well! lol
I actually think he's talking about current gen in that quote. "We're pretty close now if you squint a little bit."
I'm actually really excited to see NBA 2K and MLB The Show next gen though, they are going to look nuts. I'm sure Madden will still find a way to look underwhelming as fuck though.
that rockstar ceo quote is exciting. ive been posting that rebirth unreal engine demo since that it was released at gdc. i think those megascans by the quixel guys are going to be gamechanging.
im sure we will still see some stylized games but environments are going to look pretty much photorealistic next gen.
i doubt we will see devs utilize ssds all that well until late next gen. if those rumors of gta6 being next gen and allowing travel between miami and nyc are true then its possible that they just let you fly in a plane 550mph back and forth between the two cities in a few minutes.
im sure we will still see some stylized games but environments are going to look pretty much photorealistic next gen.
pretty much every game engine supports streaming. the only difference is going to be the speed at which devs will be allowed to stream assets from the ssd into memory. of course, there might be other benefits but the core function of hdd and ram data transfer is already support in all game engines.
i doubt we will see devs utilize ssds all that well until late next gen. if those rumors of gta6 being next gen and allowing travel between miami and nyc are true then its possible that they just let you fly in a plane 550mph back and forth between the two cities in a few minutes.
I'll bet my life that Microsoft RT showcase at the Scarlett reveal will be Forza 8. They are going to show a car in display mode and talk about the reflections on the car.
60fps also helps reconstruction to look better and have fewer artifacts so I'm all for reconstruction at 60.
PC versions will require an SSD for sure and that's just fine. If someone doesn't have an SSD they can just go buy one, 500GB SSDs are around 50$-70$ right now and by the end of 2020, they will be cheaper. I actually pity any PC owner that doesn't have an SSD, even if his PC is used just for Office and emails. I mean, asking a PC gamer for a 50$ part that basically every PC gamer already has for years? Seems reasonable.
Next gen games will be bigger than 90GB. You can't expect a generational leap and have almost the same game size as last gen. Also, a 1TB drive doesn't have 1TB of free space for games, it's more like 800GB. My guess is that a 1TB drive would be able to hold ~6 AAA games.
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I expect some devs to utilize SDD good with in the first 2 years.
This goes for exclusive games to the hardware like Sony first party .
Like spidey 2 will be crazy and i expect that in first 2 years of PS5 life.
Exciting stuff these last pages. Stronger than 9.2TF and no dispute from Matt. 10TF RDNA is was considered delusional. GhostTrick
Horizon will be first.
Horizon will be first.
You're probably right, and that's gonna be pretty underwhelming, because closed circuit racers benefit way less from RT than pretty much any other genre - 'cept for the reflections, of course.
HZD2 will definitely be one of those "no fucking way this is real time and/or playable" moments.
nothing can be more underwhelming than showing a last gen game's cutscene at your next gen console's reveal lol.
Reflections! Reflections everywhere! The car is going to have reflections, the road is going to be wet and full of puddles, the reflections are going to have reflections of the refelcting reflections... Look at all these wonderful reflections!
Kidding aside, I do have to admit that a trailer built for just showing RT reflections everywhere can still be pretty impressive:
The first one was like that when we first saw it .
A lot of people was like WTF that was gameplay that first trailer was so good.
Lmao, totally can see that. Look into this puddle, you can see forever! *cuts to a tunnel of reflections within reflections within reflections*
Yup, remember that fight against the Thunderjaw, there were quite a few decrying it as fake and totally scripted and that the game would play nothing like that. And then turns out you can quite a bit more than what was shown then :D
If this is next gen then I'm gonna laugh and cry. This looks like a current gen game with rt reflections that's it. That's not enough to wow me, sorry. I don't know what I want, obviously, but I am imagining the movie Akira but in 3D with all the grime and dirt and particles and physics and all that goodness and especially scale.
And GitS
Not even Cyperpunk is that impressive.
And I really really really really hope that they don't overdo reflections like the overdid bloom when it was the hot new tech in town.
I get that. If you are the type to start a game and play it only till the end then that does make sense. I have a few games that I play a bit every other day like you (GT, Forza etc.). But for me I don't or cant play just one game till the end.
It will be interesting in the end how both Sony and MS approaches external devices. One thing about the "X" that I really liked is that you could pre-download "X" updates before the system came out and just plug in your external device and bang you are good to go with upgraded games. I think that is a feature that a lot of people would love, the ability to buy a PS5/Scarlet and just plug in your old external device (granted that the PS5 has full BC support) and be able to play your current gen games on a new system.
Reflections just reflect what's ever around, if the game has amazing graphics regardless of the reflections, it will look gorgeous :)If this is next gen then I'm gonna laugh and cry. This looks like a current gen game with rt reflections that's it. That's not enough to wow me, sorry. I don't know what I want, obviously, but I am imagining the movie Akira but in 3D with all the grime and dirt and particles and physics and all that goodness and especially scale.
And GitS
Not even Cyperpunk is that impressive.
And I really really really really hope that they don't overdo reflections like the overdid bloom when it was the hot new tech in town.
T10 is a really great technical powerhouse, I'm sure whatever they are going to pull off will be very impressive.
I actually think most next-gen games are going to go the Control route, one big RT effect and many small supplement RT calculations for existing effects.
Don't know, the reflections I have seen look weird. like too reflecty, or too noisy. It just feels like it's not there yet. Like the reflection as some kind of aliasing.
If you want to see the biggest contribution to graphics that RT reflections has IMO, look at the video at 0:40. His right arm's metallic shader, before the RT effects it looks OK and metallic but after the RT effect, the shader looks really great. Everything reflects, with RT materials can look super impressive. It's hard to achieve realistic looking materials without RT.
I know the claim that RT reflections are "too reflecty", but that's how materials really are :)
Yep , i think that going to be a problem at first for some people.
I remember seeing a vid about RT on a marble floor and people said it look fake .
The problem was it look like that if the marble floor is really clean .
I think one of the problems is that RT is expensive, so in order to make it more efficient they ramp up the roughness threshold which makes most of the rougher materials have no RT reflection while the clean and shiny materials keep them so it creates an uneven look, as if reflective things are too reflective while less reflective things are not reflective enough.
Guys, again, whatever PS5 and Scarlett are, spec wise, in 2020, you can bet that PS5 Pro in 2023/2024 and Microsoft "Project Gemini" 2024 (Scarlett mid gen upgrade like Scorpio X1X was to Durango will be a predictable, but welcome upgrade (main selling point: 4X the RT performance of base PS5 and Scarlett, but overall those mid gen refreshes will only be 2-3 times the power of the 2020 consoles. I think 10TH Gen home consoles (PS6 and its rival(s) will probably not appear before 2028 at the earliest (rather than 2027 at the latest).
So yeah, this is going to be a long gen, but by no means THE LAST traditional home console hardware cycle with traditional console hardware physical ownership (physical hardware + physical game software and movie (8K 128GB BD-XL disc media).
If I'm repeating too much or sentence does not make sense, well, I'm kinda high right now.
So yeah, this is going to be a long gen, but by no means THE LAST traditional home console hardware cycle with traditional console hardware physical ownership (physical hardware + physical game software and movie (8K 128GB BD-XL disc media).
If I'm repeating too much or sentence does not make sense, well, I'm kinda high right now.
Never thought about it like that, but it does make sense. It the real world virtually everything, every kind of material has some degree of fresnel reflectivity - look at it at a shallow enough angle and you get some reflection. The thing is that these aren't specular reflections. When doing RT, perfectly specular reflections, where the rays all fly neatly parallel, are considerably cheaper than the kind of scattered fresnel you get from absolutely everything around you.
So, as you said, things that are perfectly specular end up having neat reflections, everything else that isn't specular gets no reflection at all because it would be ridiculously expensive to do it properly.
I said 10games with that in mind. Not all games will be 100GB. There will be a lot of AAA. Take sekiro for instance, that game is under 13GB.
That's exactly it, that's what gets me! The mirror like reflective bits clash to much with the rougher ones. It creates a very uneven look where the lighting of a fire is correctly working with the perfect mirror aspect but everything around it does not interact to the fire like it should. It adds a contour that is very unnatural. I think its the same with faces. The closer we get to perfect replication the stronger the imperfect parts clash.
Here, this is just too spotty and patchy.
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The new game of RAD was rebooted recently ? That's kind of a bummer.
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-They are virtually equal, with the slightest of edges to the PS5.
Old interview from 2006 with Itagaki who talks about hardware power in general. Skip the bs part about DOA Xtreme 2 and go already to 3:05.
It's very interesting he says 4 times more powerful in general is more exciting for the devs than the double we saw in the 360/PS3 era. This gen was definitely the weakest of all generations.
Summarize:
PS2= tenfold
PS3= 2 times more powerful
PS4= 1.5 more powerful
PS5= 4 times more powerful
This is a reason to get excited for a new generation since 5th generation.
It's very interesting he says 4 times more powerful in general is more exciting for the devs than the double we saw in the 360/PS3 era. This gen was definitely the weakest of all generations.
Summarize:
PS2= tenfold
PS3= 2 times more powerful
PS4= 1.5 more powerful
PS5= 4 times more powerful
This is a reason to get excited for a new generation since 5th generation.
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