Eh I m sure they r being extra cautious like they were with boost mode where they said they can't guarantee games wouldn't break and no game had issues in reality
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
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I wouldn't be sure that is the same situation as ps4 pro is rather similar to ps4 and bc was much simpler to implement.
Yet they said the exact same thing that we r working on it and can't guarantee 100% compatibility.even PRo gives u warning about it
1.) There is no HBM3 on the horizon for production in 2019/2020, instead HBM2e from Samsung and Sk Hynix:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14110/samsung-introduces-hbm2e-flashbolt-memory-16-gb-32-gbps
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14733/sk-hynix-announces-36-gbps-hbm2e-memory-for-2020
As such this roadmap is outdated:
2.) People already mentioned it but there is more demand for HBM than there is production volume for it.
3./4.) The Low-Cost-HBM proposal is not the same thing as HBM3, it's either death for good or will come later.
For Low-Cost-HBM 512-Bit to each stack were mentioned, running at higher speeds ~3Gbps and potentially other cost saving measurements:
HBM3 in contrast was outlined with a similiar interface width or even wider and also with >2x the peak bw and not the same or even less.
Wanted to repost some of the rumors from the past year to see if they line up with what we have seen revealed officially so far. Maybe one of these bs leaks is true.
I've always liked this pastebin leak. lots of things have come true. but they could all be wishful guesses.
Not posting the crossaint leak or the project epsilon leaks since they are obviously fake.
What do you guys think? The pastebin leak kinda confirms haptic feedback for the DualShock 5.
I've always liked this pastebin leak. lots of things have come true. but they could all be wishful guesses.
Not posting the crossaint leak or the project epsilon leaks since they are obviously fake.
What do you guys think? The pastebin leak kinda confirms haptic feedback for the DualShock 5.
Haptic feedback could have been gleaned from patents. I would say any of those rumors have borne out in a way that couldn't have been easily predicted thus far.
I would say 4chan leak with CPU shows up as Zen 7 is most creadible ;d Btw hbm leak suggest 8.7-10.8tf (you missed "allowed them to go below ~50 GFLOPs per GB/sec. bandwidth but still keep above 40 GFLOPs per GB/sec.") so you shouldn't like that one ;)
Predictions
PS5
GPU: 44cu @ 2000Mhz = 11.26TF
CPU: 3.2Ghz Zen 2
RAM: 16GB GDDR6 @ 16Gbps on 256 bit memory bus = 512GB/s bandwidth
SSD: 1TB
$499
Scarlett
GPU: 48cu @ 1800Mhz = 11.06TF
CPU: 3.6Ghz Zen 2
RAM: 16GB GDDR6 @ 14Gbps on 320 bit memory bus = 560GB/s bandwidth
SSD: 1TB
$499
Practically the same machine, just focusing on slightly different things.
Size wise, I think Scarlett will be the bigger box, PS5 smaller.
PS5
GPU: 44cu @ 2000Mhz = 11.26TF
CPU: 3.2Ghz Zen 2
RAM: 16GB GDDR6 @ 16Gbps on 256 bit memory bus = 512GB/s bandwidth
SSD: 1TB
$499
Scarlett
GPU: 48cu @ 1800Mhz = 11.06TF
CPU: 3.6Ghz Zen 2
RAM: 16GB GDDR6 @ 14Gbps on 320 bit memory bus = 560GB/s bandwidth
SSD: 1TB
$499
Practically the same machine, just focusing on slightly different things.
Size wise, I think Scarlett will be the bigger box, PS5 smaller.
Almost exactly what I'm expecting but I think the CPU will be more like 3.2Ghz and 16gb of RAM will be available to devs
It doesn't make sense from a RAM standpoint though. 64GB of RAM with bandwidth that would require a bus 320 bits or higher, but 64GB would imply a 256/512 arrangement, and sufficient density modules don't even exist to hit those numbers even with clamshell. You'd need 32Gb, unless this was a pre-APU PC devkit.
I wanted to sell my pro but I guess I will keep it around.
There hasn't been any patents suggesting that the controllers would indeed have haptic feedback, the only thing that there was a patent for was the camera inside of the controllers and the force resistive trigger for vr
I agree, tho I think PS5 will have 16GB GDDR6 and 4GB GDDR6/DDR4 for OS, and be $399.99, at a $30-$50 loss.
CPU: 8 cores @3.2Ghz
GPU: 44 CU @2Ghz for 11.2TFs or @1.8Ghz for 10.4TFs
RAM: 16GB GDDR6 for games, 4GB GDDR6 for OS
STORAGE: 1TB SSD
$399.99. SOC/APU likely $110-$130, RAM around $100-$110, SSD $40ish, disc $30 or less, Controller $25ish, probably $430 total BOM, + retailer cut $450ish, sold for $399
With haptic feedback and such, Dual Shock 5 has to be $69.99 sold on its own, like Switch Pro controller
Very similar to my predictions. Both would be great machines.
First leak knew something at that time for sure .we just don't know how much of it is true
That headline is misleading. Unsure and working towards "complete compatibility" aren't the same thing.
they already confirmed it. I can see a handful games not make the cut like past systems with BC
They make hard work for themselves that's for sure! They just had to clarify their Ray Tracing comments from the first Wired article and now have been ambiguous about BC. I await the third Wired article or Tweet clarification from Peter Rubin maybe....
Yeah, Sony has high standards with this sort of thing. They want the BC to be totally flawless with every single game. They don't want any asterisks, even if it's just a couple of games with some odd glitches.
Zen 7 could just be a Zen 7nm.
i only like the 14 tflops one and the 4chan one. but the HBM2 leak could be pointing to an 8 tflops gpu which lines up with the 300mm2 die size rumor.
"something similiar to steam analog trackpad" doesn't equal "haptic feedback" or "adaptive triggers".
Maybe I missed something
What the hell guys .
You guys should know the actual name of ryzen cpu is ryzen 7 . No ?
If Sony had full PS BC support that would be a massive killer app
that massive library
Sony is not going to sell their next gen console for the same price with overall performance disadvantage.
I think CPU clocks will be in 3.1-3.3Ghz range for both and memory bandwidth will be the same.
lol i had no idea.
When researching these past leaks, i came upon some more 4chan leaks. One thread was actually pretty hilarious because it turned into devkit wars as multiple users started posting their own experiences with the PS5 and Anaconda dev kits. Not gonna bother looking them again but the gist of it was that the PS5 devkit was near final silicon at 12.5 tflops while the MS devkit was a 11 tflops and PS5 devkits was smoking the MS devkits. then some other guy comes on and says while the numbers in the OP are correct, its the MS devkit that performs better in their benchmarks. then some other guy shows up and confirms the numbers but claims the PS5 is much more powerful and the reason for the disparity is the MS is still using vega 64 gpu at 1400 mhz in their devkit and apparently the next devkit should be more powerful.
4chan is an absolute shithole though so i doubt any of this is true and they probably thought agreeing with each other on the tflops count will give the OP some traction.
this tells me they are talking about haptic feedback or at the very least adaptive triggers.
If you throw enough shit, something will stick. Not one of those leaks are accurate on what we know so far. Bits and pieces sure.
Still find HBM rumors bogus personally.
There has
And many more. They have an extensive history of haptic feedback patents in a variety of control/glove interface mechanisms.
My point was that if they were making a console to release this year and changed their mind, then it is unlikely that they have done a major redesign, opting for RAM that is not even on the market. I would also find it hard to believe that they would be working with something whose demand is not being met by supply.
All I did was look at it from a business perspective. And I concluded that if they are utilizing HBM, they will have to get some pretty big assurances (and you can bet there will be clauses with compensation) that their demand will be met, because gaming is their bread and butter.
Soma wouldn't boot with boost mode enabled.
One of they sherlock games had loads of texture glitches too
Ok. If we assume hat they had already requested a GDDR6 chip as far back as 2017 (which is when the change to launch in 2020 was made), isn't it safe to also assume that a redirect to incorporate a different mem controller type for HBM in their chip wouldn't have been a big deal? considering that in 2017 RDNA didn't even exist at that point.
I fully get and agree with what you are saying about the business of going with HBM from a volume perspective. I just don't believe that if that is something sony wanted to do that would be the reason they don't. Between Samsung and hynix I am guessing they could get that kinda volume.
I also want to be clear that everything I am saying about HBM is based on LC-HBM (which in truth isn't even HBM3 and I pointed this out in one of my previous posts).
If both end up being around $500 or more to produce, Sony isn't undercutting by $100. Same for if these end up being $399.
Sony could have the overall advantage, but if the total difference is ~5%, not much you can do either way. One system will have the "advantage" and both will be the same price.
No, I actually read the Japanese source, if it makes you happy.
One thing they have not confirmed is if they will run like PS4 or like PS4pro games. Until then, I will stick to the pro.
Edit: Upon rereading it I sound kinda condescending and harsh. This was not my intention, I apologise JamRock7.
If we are taking their CGI video from E3 at face value and believe the Flute leak, then Scarlett uses a 320-bit bus while PS5 uses a 256-bit bus so that's already ~20mm more on Scarlett's die. But who knows, anything is possible, just like the ESRAM in the die last-gen or the EDRAM in the 360's die the gen before that.
I want to believe. That's a full year or more before the PS Classic would've been released, so that kills my theory about that backlash contributing. But could they have known in 2017 if the Navi GPU had compatibility issues? Honestly, what would Sony have known in 2017? About all I can think of that they could've tested is PS4 games running on Ryzens instead of Jaguars, but the PS4 Pro and Boost mode release should have cleared out major CPU speed issues on most games. On the other hand, MS put their BC program on hold to make sure everything works well on Scarlett iirc, so maybe there are some problems there.
At some point in the distant future, I might start to find it odd that insiders will talk about the massive software engineering work needed for BC without clarifying that it's just for PS4 games, which Sony has already announced and would be easy to confirm.
Your numbers give Scarlett 12.5% and 9.37% advantages for CPU and RAM bandwidth respectively with 1.8% TF increase for PS5, does not sound like "basically the same" to me :p
But yeah, there will be some differences in various aspects of hardware and I expect SSD to be more advanced integration for PS5.
AI Coprocessor Engine like Surface Pro X
320/384-Bit Bus
More Compute Units
More Raytracing
More Cache
My largest question is will the PS5 have a controller that lasts longer than point one of a femtosecond so I don't have to own two controllers to just play one game?
HBM2 controllers and bus size is smaller too, right?
There were also some talk about how MS needs to add support for machine learning stuff and some kind of support to interface with the azure cloud. that could make their chip bigger.
Sony could also be using less CPU cache.
Significantly smaller. Take up around a third less space.
The newest Wired article says that the new controller has a "larger-capacity battery", so maybe it will last a bit longer.
Is the usefulness of CPU cache related to the storage speed? I wonder if maybe the theories about PS5 having the showdown custom SSD from the patent and Scarlett having a regular NVME are true, and the result is that the PS5 doesn't need as much cache?
You can't choose to cut the sentence to make your point :p
It is "more analog precision for fps games, something similiar to steam analog trackpad" and it has nothing to do with haptic and adaptive triggers. Both those things are for immersion, not precision.
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