I think at least in real time cutscenes we will get characters models not far from that ones created by digital domain studio in unreal engine 4.I think cutscene character will be perfect next-gen, Tommie Earl Jenkins in Death Stranding
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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A bit off topic but some interesting Nvidia news:
Post Ampere Nvida will have,allegedly, massive chiplet GPU.
Post Ampere Nvida will have,allegedly, massive chiplet GPU.
could be even later than that - feels like foundations for when node shrinks get really hard/expensive
they still have possibly a couple of generations they could run on 7nm - so 2020/21 could be covered with that and then move to chiplets 22/23?
Probably, 2021/22 on a mature 7nm node. anexanhume gonna love those chiplets ;) Not sure about the price lol
RTX 4080 $1499...4080 ti $1999...4080 Super Founders edition $2499
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Yeah, I don't know why everyone seems so stuck on the notion that a system with >1/3 gpu for rendering 1/4 the pixels is going to hold back a generation.
I think the overhead would be fine.
People are just too attached to the X' 6TF number to accept a drop even though Lockhart isn't for X owners.
Yes, it does not make sense, history has shown us that games to scale very well with resolution and gpu power.
Theres a ton of proof demonstrating this.
The switch is like a 1/4 of the PS4's power and the switch being able to play current gen games is not holding back ps4 games at all.
Booty and Spencer have talked about how they are not leaving Xbox one behind. It's going to be a long cross gen, likely for everyone due to this type of mentality.
It'd just apply to their 1st party. 3rd party won't have to do that and they wouldn't have a reason to anyway.
3rd party will drop this gen in a year or 2 at the most for most big AAA games.
Indies will stay longer so will sports and F2P games.
It's one hell of a stretch to extrapolate that 3rd parties will have to make there games work on the X1S if they want to make scarlett games.
Based on what booty and Spencer have said I see no reason to think this.
Yes I agree, but ms or Sony won't mandate that 3rd parties can't make next gen exclusive games.
I don't think it will be some requirement.
MS won't be like "your post scarlett launch games have to work on the x1" to there studios.
I think it will depend on what the studio wants to make, if they want to make a scarlett exclusive leveraging the cutting edge I'm sure they would be able to, if they want to make a game which is possible on the x1 they will be able to do so.
While Microsoft looks to be scaling their games with OG XB1 in mind, I don't think the base PS4 will hold PS5 back.
I am also really glad that Battlefield 6 will not be rushed to meet the launch of next gen consoles.
It won't be out until 2021, and hopefully a full year after. So BF6 will likely be next-gen only, until BF4 which not only had 360/PS3 versions, but suffered a lot online until it was fixed over time.
I am also really glad that Battlefield 6 will not be rushed to meet the launch of next gen consoles.
It won't be out until 2021, and hopefully a full year after. So BF6 will likely be next-gen only, until BF4 which not only had 360/PS3 versions, but suffered a lot online until it was fixed over time.
It's going to be interesting what happens with indies and smaller games next gen, I mean would a game like "inside" really benefit from all the power next gen systems will have?
Sure it would be cool having ray traced shadows and lighting and stuff but the game would still be great on x1, ps4, Heck even switch.
Sure it would be cool having ray traced shadows and lighting and stuff but the game would still be great on x1, ps4, Heck even switch.
That's a context and time-frame dependant thing - I wouldn't generalize it either way. My reply was specifically in the context of GPU utilization where you mentioned it being harder than CPU/etc. scale-up.
The visual results will always suffer relative to the platform you're up/down scaling to of course(as you note later on), so it's just a question of priorities.
And it's precisely why I said the early adopters will be almost exclusively biggest-budget productions, where as everyone else will take their time with it this time around, possibly a good long while.
My sentence was not correct, I wanted to say it is the easiet task to scale down on GPU side.
I wanted to say scale down from the GPU is the easiest task, it is much more difficult on CPU and SSD side.
EDIT: For example, game design with an SSD in mind must play like Star Citizen on HDD been nearly unplayable. I can imagine some scenes with some transition between interior and exterior in Spiderman without hiding anything with a cutscene. It is directly impacting the level design, the same with the CPU.
On the GPU side some solutions can be found but it demands some work like degrading shader, reworking assets modifiy scene made with ao and rt shadows in mind.
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Right, I'm not definitively saying how it will happen. I'm just summing up what they're presenting.
Yea I'm failing to see what MS (or anyone else) would stand to gain from this either.
Reality is that hw-tail with active game-players is longest and biggest we've ever had to date - so for any project that 'doesn't' have budgets in hundreds of millions of $ - support for the host of legacy, mobile and other low-performance platforms will be a commercial necessity, not some platform-holder clause. But it'd be idiotic to hamstring those that want to or can afford the risks of targeting nexgen alone.
I don't know, I think it would be closer to a requirement with a few studios (the big ones like 343 and Coalition) having more freedom. MS bought smaller studios with smaller games already in production. It would make more sense for them to just let them continue down that path because it flows well with Game Pass. Game Pass is the only reason MS wants to hang on to this gen. So, games that can support that level of hardware would have to be mandated to an extent within their first party. Otherwise, who exactly would be supporting X1?
Yeah, that's what he is saying, regarding 1st party at the very least:
"When Scarlett launches, there will still be the Xbox One S and X out there. We need to approach that family of devices in the same way we approach PC, where the content scales to meet the device"
he has not said "mandate", nor have I so you can drop that straw man. It is clear from his and Spencer's comments they do not want to drop that family.
If a smaller dev really wanted to do a scarlett exclusive and ms saying "no sorry you can't" would go completely against the grain of what Phil + Co have been saying regarding xbox game studious.
I think any xgs game in 2021 or later that is cross gen would be because the studio wanted it to be not because they were forced.
While ms will support where there customers spend money, they know that they can't cater to this audience forever.
Sony will also be faced with this problem.
I'll be damned if Fable or Gears 6 is cross-gen. I actually don't think that's a terrible strategy to let the bigger games be next-gen exclusives and the smaller games be cross-gen.
You just really can't let a huge project like Fable be constrained by 2013 mid-range hardware. It's going to shackle the devs.
You just really can't let a huge project like Fable be constrained by 2013 mid-range hardware. It's going to shackle the devs.
Yes, it's certainly interesting, I'm mean would the ps4 be a lesser console if all its early indies were also on ps3?
The things is though that statement could apply to 1 game or 10.
I never said you said mandate, so please don't accuse me of something you are imagining.
I am not clear why he is worried about old hardware when they are launching Xcloud. If they are planning to string along some big games I may pick up an X for Black Friday. $350 with game + $40 in store credit plus play games well into next gen? maybe not all bad.
I don't think so. I think it should be as simple as this: if developer wants to do something that just isn't scaleable across generations, they can make a game that's exclusive to next-gen. A game like Gears 5, for example, could never be done on an Xbox 360. If the Coalition is doing stuff in Gears 6 that won't be possible on the One, then they can make it exclusive to Scarlett and don't have to worry about scaling down
There's a reason why everyone thinks differently than you.
It isn't because everyone else is wrong and you are right.
The GPU part of the APU is <$100. So if you're demanding everything else be identical then you're getting a crippled console IQ wise for ~20% off ($400 vs $500).
So either Lockhart is priced high and doesn't have a market or it cuts more corners than simply a reduced GPU. And if it cuts more corners than just the GPU then it absolutely will limit game design.
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I agree, however it is important to have games for a new gen which differate from the old gen, unless platform holder are OK with a slower transition period which from a business perspective may actually be better then a fast transition.
Yeah that "philosophy" could apply to 1 or 2 games. What booty said is not the most specific, you could apply it to forza horizon 2 and titan fall on the 360.
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Doesnt make sense. It'll be same exact games. They could even go 12 gb of memory as they dont need 4k textures, but the actual game would be the same. One at 1080, other at 4k
That is what I'm saying though. Those smaller devs won't be making games that would need to be Scar exclusive anyway. They'll be making the type of games that would be fine running on X1 hardware and will just get a big bump from the Scar.
They'll have to cater to their Game Pass audience. The majority of that is on X1 right now. As long as that is the case, they have to keep their content coming for X1. The question is really about how GP subscribers will navigate the hardware options next gen. If they move over to Scar, MS will adjust their content accordingly.
I think cutscene character will be perfect next-gen, Tommie Earl Jenkins in Death Stranding
Decima does an astounding job with shaders for darker skin tones. Vanasha looked absolutely stunning in HZD, as Tommie does here.
Using that logic they could potentially be required to cater to the x1 market for another decade.
There will be a point where they want to move there customers to the next gen otherwise what's the point in next gen at all?
Facial animation needs to be on par with the rendering quality. It's going to look incredibly uncanny if you have these photorealistic models that talk like they have lockjaw.
Of course MS will want them to. I'm just saying they will cater to the hardware that has the bulk of GP subs. For the time being, that is X1. We'll have to see how that possibly changes over the gen.
So Sony will do the same because the bulk of psnow user will be on PS4?
Also its a rather odd argument because you could also apply it to games, why would Sony bother with a ps5 when there exclusives still sell millions on PS4?
I do think Ms will support x1 users with some new games for a year after scarletts launch, but there main focus will be on scarlett and Xcloud.
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Definitely. They already improved it quite a bit for The Frozen Wilds, and the stuff that was hand animated or mocapped was mostly fine. Major issue was when they tapped into their procedural animation stuff that obviously wasn't up to par - I mean, Guerrilla never had any real use for procedural facial animation before HZD.
It was even mentioned in their post-mortem as an area of improvement, so they're definitely aware.
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no one announces a philosophy for one or two games.
the only other interpretation is that he is only speaking about game pass
Interesting video. Machine learning definitely seems like it could be a big help in making animation pipelines more efficient. Not sure if this particular level will be possible, but I'm actually happy with the levels achieved in this gen's best like Hellblade, Gears 5, GoW etc. That level just needs to be the standard for next-gen games. And it needs to keep improving. I'd like this for the next-gen Mass Effect:
Well we don't know. It could be there philosophy on how they deal with the transition period with games already in development for the x1.
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