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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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He said it before RDNA. He talked end of June and friend dev told target specs of GPU in consoles are more powerful than 5700 and 5700XT Navi.
After this is not high end Navi PC GPU, a rumored High end Navi is supposed to be 505 mm2 and 80 CU+ raytracing maybe VRS and other functionnality, at 2GHz it is 20 TFlops. This will be much more powerful than the GPU inside next generation console. This GPU will be middle range offer probably next year.
Performance, simply.
Has anyone picked over the diagram in terms of what the pin layout means? Does this confirm a totally custom IO interface, and not nVMe etc?
So it should perform better than anything availabe on the market or better suited for what they are aiming for?
Can't believe some of you are still at digesting the greater than 10tf for both nextgen boxes info. Klee was clear enough on that subject eons ago and that has being threadmarked since the start. How many times will he have to re-tell us this ?
And you are all crazy with those super slow cartridges possibly being SSD storage, they are way too slow. It can only be something for PSVR or Vita 2. Sony has plenty of Vita 2 patents similar to the Switch.
And you are all crazy with those super slow cartridges possibly being SSD storage, they are way too slow. It can only be something for PSVR or Vita 2. Sony has plenty of Vita 2 patents similar to the Switch.
Lol, looks like I wasn't the only one thinking about ReRAM for the cartridge :
I'm still hopeful this tech will be in the PS5
I'm still hopeful this tech will be in the PS5
Where better means more consistently or with hard guarantees in a real-time context, if not also 'faster' - yes.
On the PC side you'd need around 12-13 Tflops for the current Navi cards to reach a 2080-2080super. This assumes linear scaling between performance and Tflops, which is almost never the case.
Its definitely seems like it uses much less pins than what is used on a nvme ssd.
The SSD in the patent has only 12 pins.
Sony needs to guarantee for developers developing streaming texture solutions for games that a minimum performance will be X GB/s bandwidth (likely in the ballpark of 4-5 GB/s continues read). This also means they must maintain that guarantee also for extension drives.
Yeah, you don't need the backwards and forward compatibility pins. For 4 lanes PCIe 4.0, you only need 5 pins, 8 lanes should be 10 pins.Its definitely seems like it uses much less pins than what is used on a nvme ssd.
The SSD in the patent has only 12 pins.
From the end of the trailer:
Uncharted 4 reveal trailer was running on PS4 and at 60FPS. We all know how that turned out.
I don't doubt SP and their capabilities but I don't trust any publisher with their trailers until the game is released and analyzed.
Not just small, tiny.
If we assume the pins in those SSDs i linked above are the same size as those in the patent design, then look how small it is in comparison.
I highly doubt its this small.
The conclusion is that those pins are much bigger than the standard SSDs
Does anybody already figured out what the cooling solution could be for next gen consoles ? Will it be vapor chamber again for xbox ? Just for the silence I would want it though.
Sorry for asking in case this was discussed to death already.
Sorry for asking in case this was discussed to death already.
It wouldn't be big even if each pin would be size of B or M key in the Image.Not just small, tiny.
If we assume the pins in those SSDs i linked above are the same size as those in the patent design, then look how small it is in comparison.
I highly doubt its this small.
The conclusion is that those pins are much bigger than the standard SSDs
We can maybe deduce the speed of the SSD like this if it PCIE3 or 4.0.
If I count well maybe 10 GB/s if PCIE3 and 20 GB/s if PCIE4. Or maybe my calculation are false.
Yes but difference is not 30% like Kleegamefan told it is comparable to the 7% between Xbox One and Xbox One S, probably less than 10%.
That sounds outrageous, no way they can do 20GB/s, that would mean possibly filling the ram in a single second.
I am more for the PCIE3 version 10 GB/s, PCIE4 was non existent when they fill the patent and did some test but it is very fast too.
Would those SSD customizations really double the raw read bandwidth on the PS5 compared to consumer SSDs? In that case they should try making it an official new SSD format for PC too lol
PC is very different you need symmetrical read/write speed, here read speed of games is maybe 10 GB/s and write speed only 2GB/s. And you have the modification of the filesystem format with a format only used by the games (Filearchive). Read speed goes slower for other types of files (2 GB/s theoretical maybe). OS operation or taking screenshot or other things will go slower like a Nvme SSD on PC, it will be good too. The read speed only works for games.
SSD cartridge to expand PS5 storage is the new HBM delusion guys.
Occam's razor: the simplest explanation is often the best. Like what is usually the purpose of cartridges ? The answer is very simple and most probably the right one. And also, a patent doesn't mean a retail product.
Occam's razor: the simplest explanation is often the best. Like what is usually the purpose of cartridges ? The answer is very simple and most probably the right one. And also, a patent doesn't mean a retail product.
Not just small, tiny.
If we assume the pins in those SSDs i linked above are the same size as those in the patent design, then look how small it is in comparison.
I highly doubt its this small.
The conclusion is that those pins are much bigger than the standard SSDs
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Death, taxes, and "patents aren't products".
The answer so simple, you don't even give it.
On the contrary:external,cartridge type,slim and small in size SSD is perfectly logical solution for storage expansion.
Custom external SSD with nice profit margin would help a lot with selling cheap base PS5.
The person why it would take 13TF for a 30 percent advantage.
This is definitely not a nvme module (the very low speed because of only 12 pins is a no go). But it looks very similar to a PS Vita cartridge with a much smaller plastic encasing and a bigger board space allocated for a bigger storage. PS Vita cartridges have 10 pins and the patent has 12.Its definitely seems like it uses much less pins than what is used on a nvme ssd.
The SSD in the patent has only 12 pins.
This is definitely not a nvme module (the very low speed because of only 12 pins is a no go). But it looks very similar to a PS Vita cartridge with a much smaller plastic encasing and a bigger board space allocated for a bigger storage. PS Vita cartridges have 10 pins and the patent has 12.
PS Meeting 2020 sony unveils PS5 and PSP 2 confirmed.
All in one package only for 799. :D
Yup.That would probably mean something like base $399 PS5 with soldered ~512GB SSD.
I think they won't go lower than 1TB. You gotta have some space available to encourage consumers to fill it up with games.
Current PCIe 4.0 drives on PC max out at 5GB/s when reading sustained and linearly. PCIe 3.0 never got above 2 GB/s on PC at the theoretical maximum. I think your calculations are false :)
If they somehow managed to create a new drive controller that could handle higher speeds than the top-of-the-line controllers in PC drives, I'd be impressed. Possible, but not that likely IMHO. PCIe 4.0 drives get really hot when maxed out and needs some decent cooling solution.
Yeah whenever that one dude (i forget if it was Gio Corsi or Adam Boyes) would come on stage I'd take a bathroom break
This is exactly what they into the patent, they describe a SSD which can read only games (special filesystem format) faster than a PC SSD.
PS5 - a patent dive into what might be the tech behind Sony's SSD customisations (technical!)
This will be one for people interested in some potentially more technical speculation. I posted in the next-gen speculation thread, but was encouraged to spin it off into its own thread. I did some patent diving to see if I could dig up any likely candidates for what Sony's SSD solution might...
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Possibly yes, but i am not so sure.If they wanna push $399 PS5 they will have to cut some corners and the easiest way to do that is with smaller/cheaper SSD.
the only source that we heard an SSD size from was digital foundry that said they heard 1TB in 2018 iirc.
This is definitely not a nvme module (the very low speed because of only 12 pins is a no go). But it looks very similar to a PS Vita cartridge with a much smaller plastic encasing and a bigger board space allocated for a bigger storage. PS Vita cartridges have 10 pins and the patent has 12.
Little Deviants 2 for PS5.
No Richard Leadbetter(digitalfoundry) said they heard 1TB for the PS5 SSD before the first Wired interview but they did not believe it because it looks too good.
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