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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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OsirisBlack is a self-proclaimed Nintendo fanboy. He probably gets a kick out of setting expectations super high.
Sounds kind of low but I guess that should be enough
I think the RAM coupled with the SDD will get the job done. A big increase over current gen isn't really necessary although it'd be nice, of course.
16gb is fine.
as long as we get 128gb of reram that loads the entire game on launch and then sends data into the vram at 50 gbps. aww yeah.
imagine nintendo fanboys in this thread. the universe would implode.
$100 cheaper but less than half the power? A 4TF RDNA, $399 console versus a 10-12TF console thats just $100 more expensive?
If its not $299 then it shouldn't exist AT ALL. We should be able to get 9TF, ~5700 performance for $399 and maybe 16GB GDDR6, no way would I buy a 4TF console for $399 *Barf*
FWIW, I do think 4TF RDNA can work, all else equal, just not at anything above $299, and even that's pushing it.
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6TF RDNA, 8 core Zen 2, 6GB GDDR6 = $299
11TF RDNA, 8 core Zen 2, 16GB GDDR6 = $499
Sony & MSFT will go big & slow, 56CUs @ 1.5Ghz is roughly 11TF already and it will be easier to cool than 40CUs at 2Ghz.
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I suppose it means the info we looking for is already in front of us. I wouldn't be surprised if we already have the details from a pastebin, rumor, or whatever and don't realize it yet.
Edit - Snek being on the loose makes more sense lol.
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I thought In the wild means that Anaconda was in the wild... That is Phil Spencer has one at home, as per his tweet?
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So PS5 has ReRam again? I thought that was too expensive for a $399-$499 console.
I see. Thought that would be overkill as an NVME drive can fill 16GB GDDR6 in ~4 seconds. Now imagine devs hiding that 4 seconds if they choose.
We don't need a ram disk for instant loads.
I'm still in the camp hoping to see reram used on the PS5. I feel there's still a bit too much of a coincidence that Sony is bringing out a new ultra high performance memory type next year and all the secrecy regarding the PS5's storage solution. I don't see the need for secrecy if it's just a normal SSD. Add to that the numerous times we've been told that Sony's focus is on instant loading, most notably by Jason, and I've gotta think there's more going on here than just a normal SSD.
I'd love it if it were only reram as the storage of the PS5 but I'd still be very happy if it were a cache. I think it's the absolute best way for Sony to get a leg up in performance on their new console and also very publicly market their new reram tech to the world to try and entice new customers to jump on board. It gives their new business segment a HUGE client right from the start with PlayStation which can help provide stability and help to eventually drive down the cost.
It just all feels like the perfect scenario to me, so I'm definitely holding out hope for ReRam.
I can also see Sony being willing to eat some of the cost to get their new business off the ground. They've done it before with blueray after all.
I'd love it if it were only reram as the storage of the PS5 but I'd still be very happy if it were a cache. I think it's the absolute best way for Sony to get a leg up in performance on their new console and also very publicly market their new reram tech to the world to try and entice new customers to jump on board. It gives their new business segment a HUGE client right from the start with PlayStation which can help provide stability and help to eventually drive down the cost.
It just all feels like the perfect scenario to me, so I'm definitely holding out hope for ReRam.
I can also see Sony being willing to eat some of the cost to get their new business off the ground. They've done it before with blueray after all.
So the memory architecture is looking something like this (possibly)?
24GB GDDR6 + 128 GB RERAM (full game storage in fast access memory) + 2TB SSD (multigame storage)?
Is this the secret sauce? Is it plausible that Microsoft won't also have this?
24GB GDDR6 + 128 GB RERAM (full game storage in fast access memory) + 2TB SSD (multigame storage)?
Is this the secret sauce? Is it plausible that Microsoft won't also have this?
I think the most important is having the SSD perform as close to its fastest speed at a consistent basis. As far as I know that alone would make it superior to an equivalent NVMe SSD on a PC.
I'm my mind I'd say that general layout (give or take some figures) is what will happen. I'd be SUPER happy if there were no SSD and it was 2TB of ReRAM but that seems a bit unfeasible.
As for MS, unless they're sourcing drives from someone else I'm thinking they'll have a more traditional SSD setup. I did speculate that the sony/ms mou could involve reram tech as well, but I'm thinking that might be more related to using it in Azure datacenters. I'd have to imagine whatever the next Xbox will use was locked down before this mou happened.
Also, I should add, this memory hierarchy is not necessarily a linearly dependent relationship. Meaning, the RERAM would not be funneling data to GDDR6, but would have a direct interface independently with the GPU/CPU, so you could actually conserve a lot of your VRAM.
However, since 5700XT does't have hardware ray-tracing, the ray-tracing performance may probably be worse than.final silicon. How can developers simulate ray-tracing performance ?
I'm thinking if there is reram then that is where the OS will run so that all the RAM can be dedicated to the games
The devkits with those components would be standard PC towers, not the leaked devkit photos.
They also won't have code names like Ariel, Gonzalo and Flute.
Custom cases + APU codenames means that silicon is final. Things that can be adjusted are APU clocks, memory densities and memory speed.
lol, seriously and the funny things they don't need it.
One of these two need to finally put us out of our misery. Seeing games in action will cleanse our souls. Arguing about which exclusive looks best will be a welcome change. Can't wait to hear some of you try to invoke 3D audio intangibles.
Some rumors state that PS5 APU is 300 mm2, how many CU will it have?
Also xbox APU is 350 mm2. It's very strange why xbox is weaker with 50mm2 larger? What components are inside the APU?
I already did a few pages back 😁
I'm thinking Sony is going to utilize Wwise as a Trojan horse for a new audio format, possibly based on their 360 Reality Audio tech. Having it built into Wwise will ensure compatibility with hundreds of games released each year and will almost immediately help it to shoot past Dolby Atmos in usage in video games.
Is this really true? I know in the past, prototype dev kits have been sent out in custom cases with code names, etc and there have been several iterations on those where you'd have to send it back to get the next prototype and this is well before you get the final.I'm specifically remembering this to be true with PS3 and PS4. Are you saying the only thing that changed were clock speeds and memory densities? It's been too long for me to remember what changed between iterations.
That's the rumor. Makes sense if they're trying to make it as cheap as possible while trying to lock people into GP
Specifically talking about devkit that would have off shelf Zen 2 and 5700 XT. They're not going to have custom cases nor code names for off shelf components.
I think the problem is that how do you let users believe lockhart is a true next-gen console rather than a xbox1x 2020 version.
So which studio/publisher is going to be the first to make the incorrect choice of spending their extremely limited time and budget by over-targetting Lockhart instead of actually creating something worthwhile? I hope they're also ready for the crap that's gonna be sent their way :) Good luck!
Oh I'll agree with that, but I was questioning if the silicon is actually final when you do have a custom case because there are multiple prototype versions of devkits with custom cases. I didn't think the silicon was final in that with at least the first prototype version.
I think simply dropping the Xbox One name will do and introducing them as a family of next gen hardware under the same name.
All the custom cases for devkits that I can remember always housed the final silicon.
Do we confirm that there is an APU in the V-shape devkits?
Why can't devkits with off-shelf components have a special case (V-shape)?
It's fine for GP, but it's going to bomb hard without a disc-drive.
People buying cheap consoles, especially in territories when MS needs to do better, mainly buy discs
I can't confirm it. If Sony wanted to blow money on fancy vanity cases for standard Zen 2 and 5700 XT when regular PC towers suffice then I question their prudence.
We can also ignore the Gonzalo, Flute benchmarks / leaks while we're at it. Haha
Regarding the customized case of the PS5 devkit, it's probably worth considering that with 3D printing advancements it's a lot cheaper for them to come up with custom designs than it was for previous console gens. So if they can do something that's more efficient for a cheap price then why not.
I agree Lockhart without ODD is a shoot yourself in the foot move. It doesn't have to be a UHD drive, but a regular blue ray drive is crucial to mass market appeal.
Imagine discussing someone's "leaks" that STILL posts on neogaf after all that happened.
Imagine giving any merit to it after their previous "leaks".
Imagine giving any merit to it after their previous "leaks".
What if the 300mm2 SOC is in 7nm+?
What is the maximum number of CUs?
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