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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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To be fair, we don't know if the gif comes from the PS5 version, or a PC version using Nvidia hardware.
Patented VRS, Secret sauce returns?
Yeah a console more then 12 navi tflops with raytracing hardware is nuts, a week ago 11tflops was my high high end guess.
VFX_Veteran hates consoles and wasn't shy about allowing his irrational hate to cloud his objectivity.
Did i miss something, why do people think Xbox series X is 12 TF and PS5 10.X TF? Did is miss something while is was asleep? Are the specs released, because i could not find them online?
Yes, he is standing by his claims. By what margin PS5 will be stronger we don't know yet. Can't wait for feb, it's going to be glorious.
8-9 TF PS5 is not in the cards. I'll accept any speculation between 10-13 but this 8TF stuff has got to go.
Agreed. Tekken 7 plays like a dream, but looks looks like ass now. Hopefully they update their games for PS5/Series X.
Its possible. Anyway I thought it looked really good from the trailer alone. The reflections were impressive.
thankfully he got himself banned here and is on the other site consistently citing his sources about how next gen will be.
One things for sure, unlike the motherboard we saw in the Scorpio video, the one in the Scarlett/XSX video isn't going to be reflective of the final motherboard in that tower. Hopefully the RAM chips we saw won't be either..
Even taking in to account an SSD and optimised I/O, I don't see how ~16-18GB in ~500-600GB/s range is gonna feed a Zen2 (contention!?) and 12TF RDNA GPU with RT while running games with truly next gen scope; and it lasting for an entire generation without being a bottleneck.
If we don't see 24GB on a 384-bit bus, but instead 16-20GB on a 256-320-bit bus; I hope it's running 16-18Gbps chips and that it's dedicated to games with a separate pool for the OS.
As for Sony, considering 12TF RDNA has just been effectively confirmed for XSX; I'm going to remain slightly hopeful of HBM2e (iNFO_MS/Fan-Out) in the PS5. =P
Even taking in to account an SSD and optimised I/O, I don't see how ~16-18GB in ~500-600GB/s range is gonna feed a Zen2 (contention!?) and 12TF RDNA GPU with RT while running games with truly next gen scope; and it lasting for an entire generation without being a bottleneck.
If we don't see 24GB on a 384-bit bus, but instead 16-20GB on a 256-320-bit bus; I hope it's running 16-18Gbps chips and that it's dedicated to games with a separate pool for the OS.
As for Sony, considering 12TF RDNA has just been effectively confirmed for XSX; I'm going to remain slightly hopeful of HBM2e (iNFO_MS/Fan-Out) in the PS5. =P
Yes no one will exploit fully Xbox Series X with the first game. After I think the improvement will maybe be a bit less visible than this generation because we use X86 and AMD GPU.
But I am not even sure of this because of the SSD.
The most we know about the PS5 so far is the Komachi Oberon leak, that has two Backwards Compatible states, one with 18 CU and the other 40.
The other thing we know about the GPU is that it can go up to 2Ghz, so people speculate that 40 CU was the limit, thus 10 teraflops.
Finally caught up on this thread and a couple of others.
Whew, that was a fun Game Awards and glad we're getting more info. The Hellblade video did look stunning, and I'd be very happy if that's what a lot of next gen games look like. At the same time I think it's worth quoting Phil Spencer when he was describing it when he said, "Tonight I'm proud to reveal a project early in development from an incredibly talented creative team who are no strangers to the game awards. What you're about to see was all captured in-engine, as being built to take full advantage of Xbox Series X."
That leaves me with a few questions like how far away is this title from release? Is this a target demo sorta like this video we got for Uncharted 4 where certain things could still be open to change?
In-engine is great but I would've been happier if Phil had also said real-time along with it. I haven't checked, has it come up in any other statements they've made on whether it was real-time? I wonder because of the comparisons going on. Of course Godfall isn't representative of the limits of what the PS5 can do but it is a game running in real-time and in-engine that we know is coming at launch. If the Hellblade trailer wasn't running in real-time and is just an early target spec for what they're aiming for then that deflates my excitement over it just a tiny bit.
Godfall did look alright visually but the tiny bit of footage we got didn't feel like it was a generational leap over what we could get right now with in-game cutscenes. Seeing the RT in the tiny GIF was nice and I kinda wish they had put 10-20 seconds of gameplay like that in the trailer. I know it's not fair to compare since we haven't seen that much of Godfall yet, but in comparison to the tiny amount we've seen so far I'm more impressed by what we've seen in TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima. That said, I'm sure the benefits of being a next gen title will become more apparent when they show more footage in the Spring.
I would also like to take a moment to thank Kleegamefan for being a beacon of hope and information when this place was going through some very dark times. Your continued excitement over next gen is something I greatly appreciate and I always look forward to seeing your name pop up in a thread :)
So the PS Meeting appears to be set for February and I'm sure the leaks will only intensify from this point onwards. I look forward to taking this ride with you all :)
Whew, that was a fun Game Awards and glad we're getting more info. The Hellblade video did look stunning, and I'd be very happy if that's what a lot of next gen games look like. At the same time I think it's worth quoting Phil Spencer when he was describing it when he said, "Tonight I'm proud to reveal a project early in development from an incredibly talented creative team who are no strangers to the game awards. What you're about to see was all captured in-engine, as being built to take full advantage of Xbox Series X."
That leaves me with a few questions like how far away is this title from release? Is this a target demo sorta like this video we got for Uncharted 4 where certain things could still be open to change?
In-engine is great but I would've been happier if Phil had also said real-time along with it. I haven't checked, has it come up in any other statements they've made on whether it was real-time? I wonder because of the comparisons going on. Of course Godfall isn't representative of the limits of what the PS5 can do but it is a game running in real-time and in-engine that we know is coming at launch. If the Hellblade trailer wasn't running in real-time and is just an early target spec for what they're aiming for then that deflates my excitement over it just a tiny bit.
Godfall did look alright visually but the tiny bit of footage we got didn't feel like it was a generational leap over what we could get right now with in-game cutscenes. Seeing the RT in the tiny GIF was nice and I kinda wish they had put 10-20 seconds of gameplay like that in the trailer. I know it's not fair to compare since we haven't seen that much of Godfall yet, but in comparison to the tiny amount we've seen so far I'm more impressed by what we've seen in TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima. That said, I'm sure the benefits of being a next gen title will become more apparent when they show more footage in the Spring.
I would also like to take a moment to thank Kleegamefan for being a beacon of hope and information when this place was going through some very dark times. Your continued excitement over next gen is something I greatly appreciate and I always look forward to seeing your name pop up in a thread :)
So the PS Meeting appears to be set for February and I'm sure the leaks will only intensify from this point onwards. I look forward to taking this ride with you all :)
I can't imagine how they are going to cool that thing in that form factor without sounding like a jet engine.
I don't know how far these canarer("consoles", but ok spellcheck) really are going with the whole 120fps thing, but if I can play Overwatch and Apex Legends at 120fps on a console, that'd be sweet. And it sounds like that's easily achievable with these specs.
I could also see future COD games having something like a "pro setting" that drops the resolution to 1080 and reduces graphics settings to hit 120fps. That's pretty much what most competitive players end up doing anyway lol
I could also see future COD games having something like a "pro setting" that drops the resolution to 1080 and reduces graphics settings to hit 120fps. That's pretty much what most competitive players end up doing anyway lol
Basically pure speculation.
It's basically a PC tower. The form factor makes sense with the power and heat it will put out.
Pretty sure he said he wasn't staying up to watch the TGA. The specs outpaced anything he predicted as well, but I'm sure he will be happy with the outcome.
They have boldly talked about it being just as quiet as the current Xbox One X in the interviews, which is pretty crazy to be honest. I would probably sacrifice a very slight raw power edge that wouldn't matter in real world game performance most likely for that type of quiet operation if they are delivering it :)
My first thought was the size is going to be taken up with the cooling solution
He's probably asleep, it's early morning in Germany.
It's 7.16am in UK, with all this hype I could not sleep lol.
Where is this from?jfc this thread has grown
Anyway, probably already posted but I guess this is the first glimpse of gameplay from a next-gen game:
Reflections are nice.
Rumor has it the PS5 is more powerful. So likely both PS5 and XBSX are $499.
Remember that article early last year that stated that 70% of AMD's R&D team was working with Sony on Navi for the PS5? I think there may have been some truth to that.
I think AMD worked backwards this time.I think RDN2 GPUs are based on the work AMD did with both Sony and MS, hence why we haven't seen them on the market yet.
Smart move since that means Sony and MS pretty much funded R&D for the RDNA2 GPUs, and next gen multiplatform games will be fully optimized to take advantage of AMD's high end GPUs with RT.
that's my headcanon anyways :-p
jfc this thread has grown
Anyway, probably already posted but I guess this is the first glimpse of gameplay from a next-gen game:
Reflections are nice.
That's Anthem was SUPPOSED to look like.
12 and 13tflop difference really means nothing. Games will run the same.
It just great that these console are as powerful as they are.
It just great that these console are as powerful as they are.
No, but to match a 2080TI you'd need a lot more than 12TF. I do think a 2080 will be mid range by the end of next year.
Consoles use mid range parts so if next gen consoles are really 12TF then that just means that AMD is going to surprise us with RDNA2.
How Godfall Takes Advantage of the PS5 Tech and Controller, More About its World and Gameplay - Keith Lee Interview - PlayStation LifeStyle
We talked with Keith Lee from Counterplay Games to find out how Godfall PS5 takes advantage of the next-gen tech and the new controller features. We also learned more about its world and gameplay.
www.playstationlifestyle.net
What video is this gif pulled from?jfc this thread has grown
Anyway, probably already posted but I guess this is the first glimpse of gameplay from a next-gen game:
Reflections are nice.
Nvm answered above me.
Far cry from the 8TF VEGA, 256GB of NAND and Zen lite days.
Probably a large quiet 140mm or 180mm fan, that large of a fan can push a lot of air and still be silent.
I told you the jump from current gen to next-gen is like the jump from PS1 to PS2.
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Ah the glory days of moore's law
Hell the jump from PS2 to Xbox in the same gen was obscene.
Talked about in the other thread off-screen RT reflections since the first seconds of the trailer showing indirect objects being reflected also reflections on armors too.
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I truly believe the XsX is going to be the better designed console from an engineering (not power) point of view.
It design is what consoles should be, pure minimalism.
And the cooling system will be simple but effective.
It design is what consoles should be, pure minimalism.
And the cooling system will be simple but effective.
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