Maybe he's seen one of stadia's exclusivesi think you know something around the corner but believe the masses aren't ready for it. like a reason why sony nor Ms can claim the fastest/most powerful is because of stadia. that would be a twist!
Maybe he's seen one of stadia's exclusivesi think you know something around the corner but believe the masses aren't ready for it. like a reason why sony nor Ms can claim the fastest/most powerful is because of stadia. that would be a twist!
Except we all know neither the 2080 nor the pcie SSDs will become minimum requirements.VFX_Veteran blink 5 times if you're being held for ransom
They're gonna be really upset when they find their SATA SSD isn't good enough
stadia doesnt stop them from doing that because they only need to say "most powerful Console", and stadia is not a console.i think you know something around the corner but believe the masses aren't ready for it. like a reason why sony nor Ms can claim the fastest/most powerful is because of stadia. that would be a twist!
8c/16t is a reality for pc
All the other things you guys dreaming here is embarrassing...it looks more like a bunch of fanboys jealous about pc.
Ps5 and scarlet with 2080/2080 ti Power... Lol will be hilarious when the reveal happens.
whynotboth.gifKleegamefan the games that are being developed for Stadia, are being developed with the current consoles as base line or there are games being developed with next gen specs in mind?
Have you seen any stadia games that are only possible on there?
Again, they are different architectures.8c/16t is a reality for pc
All the other things you guys dreaming here is embarrassing...it looks more like a bunch of fanboys jealous about pc.
Ps5 and scarlet with 2080/2080 ti Power... Lol will be hilarious when the reveal happens.
Why Google didn't make at least a short tech demo to show the power of Stadia ? Sony/Microsoft/NVidia/AMD at least show us some tech demo before they release some new hw.
Have you seen any stadia games that are only possible on there?
stadia doesnt stop them from doing that because they only need to say "most powerful Console", and stadia is not a console.
They did show some tech demos during their first connect like with stream connect and using multiple gpus, they all seemed like very early tech demos thoughWhy Google didn't make at least a short tech demo to show the power of Stadia ? Sony/Microsoft/NVidia/AMD at least show us some tech demo before they release some new hw.
I literally never, ever said PS5 was more powerful than nVidia 2080 and you know that.
Don't try to bait me.
Your condescending, abrasive style is why people tend not engage in any meaningful conversation with you.
You are obviously intelligent and well experienced and versed in what you do. But what attracts me and others like me to this thread in this forum is it encourages SMART and COURTEOUS discussion of Next-gen videogame hardware. Too much of one and not enough of the other usually results in the circular conversation we are having now. As should be obvious, but I will state it again and extend you the courtesy you don't offer me....
1-Current games running on RTX hardware are just that, current games.
2-Next-gen games (not to be confused with cross-gen games) are different from current generation games and are built to different specifications.
3-The game I saw was not designed to work on current spec hardware like a PS4 for instance.
4-I gave impressions of that Next-gen game running on PS5 which, to my eyes, look superior to current generation games in certain ways, which I have outlined as well as I can on several occasions.
New generation software exceeding previous generation software is definitely a thing and will continue to be a thing. The original reference I made to RTX is I saw Modern Warfare running on RTX and the RT shadow effects in that game looks similar to the PS5 demo I saw, but the PS5 game also had additional effects and scale of effects that seems even better.
I also said that (and this seems to be the crux of the hand-wringing/pearl-clutching) if you didn't know it was running on PS5 hardware, you would guess it was running on a 2080.
That's it.
Anything beyond that is a different discussion for a different person at a different time.
What game is this? 'The Order' I'm guessing? (Not played it).
I can't wait not only for pre-release showcase of nextgen-only games, but for mid-gen PS5 games that will truly start to take advantage from the new hardware.
I can't wait not only for pre-release showcase of nextgen-only games, but for mid-gen PS5 games that will truly start to take advantage from the new hardware.
Yup. Was it using a inhouse engine? Looked crazy good
it's the order and while i beat it, i barely ever played it.
They did.Why Google didn't make at least a short tech demo to show the power of Stadia ? Sony/Microsoft/NVidia/AMD at least show us some tech demo before they release some new hw.
stadia doesnt stop them from doing that because they only need to say "most powerful Console", and stadia is not a console.
I can't wait not only for pre-release showcase of nextgen-only games, but for mid-gen PS5 games that will truly start to take advantage from the new hardware.
These new consoles will be x86 based. In the past with totally different archs consoles could extract magic sauces.Again, they are different architectures.
It is not a 1:1 comparison
Still can't believe you're the same dude I used to read as a little kid...Again, they are different architectures.
It is not a 1:1 comparison
Yes. Good game, big potential, but short and with unsatisfying end. The launch consensus was that it was "not worth $60", but I always promote it as the best game for brand new PS4 owners. Great visual spectacle opener, and then they can move on to better games. :)
Yeah. I'm a Grandpa now, though.Still can't believe you're the same dude I used to read as a little kid...
I mean just look at the difference in gameplay for Star Citizen on a SSD vs HDD. Why wouldn't next gen be the same when both consoles will have PCIE SSD speeds?Except we all know neither the 2080 nor the pcie SSDs will become minimum requirements.
Ryse Son Of Rome was released on xone premiere and is still one of best looking game this generation.The Order came out rather early if you using that as a eg .
I expect games will take full advantage of consoles way before mid gen .
This gen start off rather slow because companies thought consoles were dead if we not talking first party .
Ryse Son Of Rome com on xone premiere and is still one of best looking game this generation.
Congrats man. When I was a kid gamefan was my favorite game magazine. I'm unsure if you ARE black, but that's one of the reasons I loved to read your articles, LOL. You avatar made me think of a LOT of possibilities for a career.Yeah. I'm a Grandpa now, though.
I'll be 51 next month hahaha.
Order is very impressive visually and also not a bad game(great universe and atmosphere) but end of game was very rushed (also some boss fight recycling), the money for further development was probably cut out.Yes. Good game, big potential, but short and with unsatisfying end. The launch consensus was that it was "not worth $60", but I always promote it as the best game for brand new PS4 owners. Great visual spectacle opener, and then they can move on to better games. :)
I also often use it as showcase of the great advancement between gen7 and gen8.
PS3 directfeed [720p] resized to 1080p for better comparison. TLOU1 is also regarded as visually most impressive game on gen7:
PS4 directfeed:
Incredible advancement in texture/shader/particle/texture/polygon count/animation/shadow/volumetric effects [and much more].
There's a massive difference between hdd and ssd just because the access times are so much faster on ssd, but sata ssd vs pci-e you see way smaller gains. I have 1tb 850 evo sata one and 960pro nvme and there's barely any difference in game load times whilst the later benchmarks like 4x higher read/writesI mean just look at the difference in gameplay for Star Citizen on a SSD vs HDD. Why wouldn't next gen be the same when both consoles will have PCIE SSD speeds?
You're wrong! this is the best looking and most technically advanced video game has been released for current generation of consoles! :)
Yeah. I'm a Grandpa now, though.
I'll be 51 next month hahaha.
You can play on high and not ultra. And like you said consoles are a mix of medium settings @ sub 30 fps.Meanwhile, the RDR2 PC performance thread is on fire because Rockstar added this ultra setting that is destroying PC GPUs even at 1080p. 4k 60 fps is completely out of the picture at that setting. The 580 (X1X GPU) gives 35 fps at 1080p. The X1X by comparison was a locked at native 4k 30 fps experience for me.
The 4k benchmarks look even worse. RTX 2080 is needed for 30 fps at native 4k.
Yes, i know Dictator will release a video showing how x1x is mostly medium settings but i bought an rtx 2080 to play everything at native 4k 60 fps at high or the highest settings. it pains me to cut down resolution or turn down settings. i think to myself if i have to put the settings down to medium then why did i pay $1,400 for a pc? 60 fps is a high price to pay. these benchmarks should serve as a cautionary tale to all the 60 fps or bust crowd on era because even the best graphics cards cannot do 4k 60 fps for current gen games.
lets hope devs ignore these people and settle for 30 fps games with checkerboarding.
5700 and 5700xt manage 60fps in fullHD (!), vary good prognostic for ps5 ;d edit: btw 5700xt on pair with rtx2080Meanwhile, the RDR2 PC performance thread is on fire because Rockstar added this ultra setting that is destroying PC GPUs even at 1080p. 4k 60 fps is completely out of the picture at that setting. The 580 (X1X GPU) gives 35 fps at 1080p. The X1X by comparison was a locked at native 4k 30 fps experience for me.
The 4k benchmarks look even worse. RTX 2080 is needed for 30 fps at native 4k.
Yes, i know Dictator will release a video showing how x1x is mostly medium settings but i bought an rtx 2080 to play everything at native 4k 60 fps at high or the highest settings. it pains me to cut down resolution or turn down settings. i think to myself if i have to put the settings down to medium then why did i pay $1,400 for a pc? 60 fps is a high price to pay. these benchmarks should serve as a cautionary tale to all the 60 fps or bust crowd on era because even the best graphics cards cannot do 4k 60 fps for current gen games.
lets hope devs ignore these people and settle for 30 fps games with checkerboarding.
Ryse Son Of Rome was released on xone premiere and is still one of best looking game this generation.
5700 and 5700xt manage 60fps in fullHD (!), vary good prognostic for ps5 ;d edit: btw 5700xt on pair with rtx2080
This room in the game is by far the most impressive single area ive seen in any game this gen. Maybe the rain in DriveClub and the snow storm in RDR2 come close, but everything in this scene was immaculately detailed and the atmosphere was so rich i felt like i was in that cockpit.
Huh figured the difference would have been greater between the Sata and PCIE SSDThere's a massive difference between hdd and ssd just because the access times are so much faster on ssd, but sata ssd vs pci-e you see way smaller gains. I have 1tb 850 evo sata one and 960pro nvme and there's barely any difference in game load times whilst the later benchmarks like 4x higher read/writes
This is a dumb post. Would you rather have the medium settings labeled as ultra so you feel better about yourself or true ultra settings that are above what the console can handle to future proof the game?Meanwhile, the RDR2 PC performance thread is on fire because Rockstar added this ultra setting that is destroying PC GPUs even at 1080p. 4k 60 fps is completely out of the picture at that setting. The 580 (X1X GPU) gives 35 fps at 1080p. The X1X by comparison was a locked at native 4k 30 fps experience for me.
The 4k benchmarks look even worse. RTX 2080 is needed for 30 fps at native 4k.
Yes, i know Dictator will release a video showing how x1x is mostly medium settings but i bought an rtx 2080 to play everything at native 4k 60 fps at high or the highest settings. it pains me to cut down resolution or turn down settings. i think to myself if i have to put the settings down to medium then why did i pay $1,400 for a pc? 60 fps is a high price to pay. these benchmarks should serve as a cautionary tale to all the 60 fps or bust crowd on era because even the best graphics cards cannot do 4k 60 fps for current gen games.
lets hope devs ignore these people and settle for 30 fps games with checkerboarding.
If I had to guess a few likely ones:
- W3: eventually as they are busy with CP2077, which leads me to
- CP2077: no way in hell this doesn't get updated
- FO4: rubbish, but must play
- MGSV: little update, though with our luck they'll patch Survive (I think MGSV is their internal benchmark)
- FFXV: sold really well
- DMCV: but it gets more in a Special Edition
- DS3
- Hitman 2: pretty self-explanatory
- MHW: also very obvious
wait, where did i say that?This is a dumb post. Would you rather have the medium settings labeled as ultra so you feel better about yourself or true ultra settings that are above what the console can handle to future proof the game?
You're wrong! this is the best looking and most technically advanced video game has been released for current generation of consoles! :)
I think DF's Gears 5 video shows how much the diminishing returns are between X1X and Ultra on PC.Meanwhile, the RDR2 PC performance thread is on fire because Rockstar added this ultra setting that is destroying PC GPUs even at 1080p. 4k 60 fps is completely out of the picture at that setting. The 580 (X1X GPU) gives 35 fps at 1080p. The X1X by comparison was a locked at native 4k 30 fps experience for me.
The 4k benchmarks look even worse. RTX 2080 is needed for 30 fps at native 4k.
Yes, i know Dictator will release a video showing how x1x is mostly medium settings but i bought an rtx 2080 to play everything at native 4k 60 fps at high or the highest settings. it pains me to cut down resolution or turn down settings. i think to myself if i have to put the settings down to medium then why did i pay $1,400 for a pc? 60 fps is a high price to pay. these benchmarks should serve as a cautionary tale to all the 60 fps or bust crowd on era because even the best graphics cards cannot do 4k 60 fps for current gen games.
lets hope devs ignore these people and settle for 30 fps games with checkerboarding.
Still waiting for you to reply to my actual point, rather than going "nuh-hu" at a list I specifically pointed out could only be guesswork.
- Don't see it happening. Pro / X patches was a shit show, especially on Pro
- Yeah it will, but a paid relaunch
- Meh
- Why ?
- Don't see it happening.
- Maybe, but not free
- Why ?
- Hitman season 3 with previous playabled in 2021
- Didn't thought of that one. I can see it.
Meanwhile, the RDR2 PC performance thread is on fire because Rockstar added this ultra setting that is destroying PC GPUs even at 1080p. 4k 60 fps is completely out of the picture at that setting. The 580 (X1X GPU) gives 35 fps at 1080p. The X1X by comparison was a locked at native 4k 30 fps experience for me.
The 4k benchmarks look even worse. RTX 2080 is needed for 30 fps at native 4k.
Yes, i know Dictator will release a video showing how x1x is mostly medium settings but i bought an rtx 2080 to play everything at native 4k 60 fps at high or the highest settings. it pains me to cut down resolution or turn down settings. i think to myself if i have to put the settings down to medium then why did i pay $1,400 for a pc? 60 fps is a high price to pay. these benchmarks should serve as a cautionary tale to all the 60 fps or bust crowd on era because even the best graphics cards cannot do 4k 60 fps for current gen games.
lets hope devs ignore these people and settle for 30 fps games with checkerboarding.
You sure make it sound like you'd be happier if Medium settings were actually Ultra just so it feels like you're having the best experience. I would think PC Gamers would be happy to have above console quality settings that push their PCs hard. I know I'm happy to see it'll scale nicely into the future.wait, where did i say that?
i used those benchmarks to make a point about 60 fps and next gen consoles. every pc gamer has to make compromises between resolution and visual settings. im not allowed to say it pains me to turn down settings?