I'm just not discounting Microsoft's capabilities, that's all.
It's still early days, especially for them.
It's still early days, especially for them.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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We still remember Albert Penello's classic post from September 2013 on that other forum and how it turned out in the end. I quoted it on the previous page.
I talk with the tone about what we have and that 7nm+ only gives 10-15% perf inc at best. and amd has a problem with tdp on gpus.
So with what exists nothing points to console to have something more powerfull than a 5700XT.
What u mean credentials? I prefer to believe in reality. Never console had top powerfull gpus like current gen gpus on PC. So you want me to believe that next-gen will have a equivalent of RTX 2080(since guys claim more powerfull than a 5700XT)... yeah right...
Well it was long time ago. Give them a chance. I think they know what they are doing with Scarlett
Well it's not that early . we r 7 months(around July) from the start of mass production to build an inventory buildup for November launch
You want a bet or not? Doesn't need to be a ban bet or anything. We can do an avatar bet.
Sure, but if there is a double digit performance difference, they can't really make up for that in software, as was hinted at here (and in 2013).
There is no double digit performance difference.
Both PS5/Scarlett have double digit performance (I.e. over 10.0TF)
I'll probably get 2 for some PS4s I plan on getting as gifts.
I've been thinking lately how Phil talked about frames per second being a focus.
I think they might care more about that. Let's say specs still favor the PS5, that plus what you posted, it shouldn't be controversial to suggest this either.
Just like this gen, there will be pros n cons with each console.
Maybe.
Could also be that with the more balanced systems that reconstruction + 60fps makes more sense.
Here i can agree. But if the teases are correct than both Scarlett and ps5 are really close to each other
MS will have Azure servers right beside every house and every game instance will run on 16 server blades for infinite power. The true meaning of Halo Infinite. 100% confirmed by Penello.
Bit early to make such a statement, isn't it? It could be a 12% difference for all we know, it won't typically show up in most games anyway, it would just give one console a bit more headroom over the other.
A 500 MB/s SSD is older than one year. The mentioned Samsung SSD does not perform well even by last years standards from what I read about it.
The 5700XT is not a top PC GPU now and for sure it will not be next year. Next year a 10TF rDNA 2 GPU it will probably be a mid tier PC GPU.
If we keep in mind that next year we are expecting bigger (than the 5700XT) AMD rDNA 2 GPUs and new NVIDIA Ampere 7nm GPUs it doesn't seem crazy that the consoles could have 10TF GPU.
both Sony's APIs and MS's APIs this time will be much more iterative of this generation compared to previous gens, that is partially where the "smooth transition" is coming from, as developers can squeeze a strong level of performance from day 1 as their engines are already fairly optimized for these APIs. MS especially have their tools made for easy conversion between PC and xbox units so the transition should be easy.
however, because of this same reason, i dont see MS's APIs suddenly being some huge edge in performance, this was the argument in 2016 as well where DX12 was supposedly going to close the gap between PS4 and X1, that obviously did not happen. the tools wont be so different outside of new features, so you wont see a big performance benefit from those that the other party wont have. both have excellent tools to work with and utilize their systems, the edge will not come from the tools themselves, and neither from the ~0.5TF advantage to either side, but from the capabillities of the developers, and the abillity to combine art and tech together to something truly magnificent.
however, because of this same reason, i dont see MS's APIs suddenly being some huge edge in performance, this was the argument in 2016 as well where DX12 was supposedly going to close the gap between PS4 and X1, that obviously did not happen. the tools wont be so different outside of new features, so you wont see a big performance benefit from those that the other party wont have. both have excellent tools to work with and utilize their systems, the edge will not come from the tools themselves, and neither from the ~0.5TF advantage to either side, but from the capabillities of the developers, and the abillity to combine art and tech together to something truly magnificent.
This chip thats going in these consoles is not the exact thing of a 5700xt? which has high clocks and much higher thermal resistance? Imagine if they have a chip that has more CU's but lower clocks, they can find a balance where they may only need 180-200watt at most. Zen 2 is super low on TDP and these will be clocked lower than your off the shelf desktop cpu.
I mean look at what Polaris was, it wasn't super power efficient. Yet they had something close to that in the PRO.xbox one x and those are powered by way less than 200 watts.
I agree but 580 was a mid-range gpu(usually consoles has mid-range gpus). 580 tdp is 185w and is a little bit underclocked on XboxONE X. 5700 XT is a 225 TDP gpu.
Next year gpus will be 7nm+ this kind of improvement on nodes don't give u 25% better consumption... And usually at this moment console hardwares is almost final so u don't take next-gen gpus on there. Probably something base on current gen gpus with improvements, that's how worked every gen. PS4 had a 7850 but when consoles launched AMD had their next-gen gpus on the market 260,270 and 280.
PS4 PRO had a 470 GPU underclocked. 470 is a 120w gpu and Pro is loud as fuck. Imagine a 225W or higher on a console.
So you have no experise and are basically calling klee a liar? You certainly are not making a very convincing argument for your view.
Here's my thoughts on Platform as a Service Stadia. It came in white hot. What we're seeing in terms of performance of software isn't indicative of what we'll be seeing in even a few months time. The technical/engineering/streaming side is where it needs to be (practically all reviewers stated this, with minor blips and some inconsistencies depending on target device), their hard work now is in allowing devs to get the most out of their titles; driver optimisation etc. Prediction: Destiny 2 4k/60 before new season/when new season drops (I hope so for all the D2 players that bought in day 1 to have this without needing a semi-decent PC).
Show me the post I called some one a liar, I think you should moderate your tone. it is a prediction thread and we are debating. Until official reveal I can believe in whatever I want and since we are on a discussion forum predicting next-gen hardware you should respect someone who disagree with your point of view.
I didn't call anyone a liar so stop your bs right now.
TDP is, in most cases, a meaningless number as it doesn't actually say anything about the power draw, just some half-made up number about thermal cooling requirements.
So now it's just a prediction? Seems to me you have said on numerous occasions that a 10TF console is impossible and basically a joke to even consider it. And not just in a this is just my opinion way. Your tone is and has been arrogant and borderline condescending.
There comes a time where you simply need to let a 6 year old post go. Penello has been on here many times and has been polite and reasonable and given Sony due praise. But if it makes feel good to cite Penello circa 2013, go right ahead...
Computer with 5700xt on avarage consume 21 more wats than rx580 (and most of users here think it would be dissapointing if nextgen consoles would have gpu on this level performance ;d )
Your tone is agressive since your first message to me and you lied saying I calling someone a liar and I never been arrogant. with what we have now I don't think is possible and always said and you disagree with me and you are trying to create bs saying I called someone a liar or that I showed arrogant, my argument is not valid, because you don't agree with me?
MS is Lincoln Hawk? Now I got the Over the Top song stuck in my head...
True true.
The information seems to be trickling with more frequency now. Perhaps in the next 100 days, we will have a clearer picture as to what both companies are doing.
Yup, we won't live down Penello's bullshit just like we won't Jimbo's "Why would anybody play this?" stuff. It is what it is.
Your point is basically been this isn't possible. How could you be gullible enough to believe it? I never said you directly called him liar, but you are saying what he is telling us isn't true. And your supporting evidence is flimsy on top of that. It definitely doesn't warrant such cockiness. It's not even about disagreeing, but carry on. I will never address you again.
It is in your message up there saying I called him a liar, I already reported you and you are ignored.
Cooling noise for the Pro is much more a factor of that particular cooling subsystem design than a factor of power draw, as perfectly evidenced by the fact that the X is cooling more draw (upwards of 200W) with less noise.
Consoles have very limited space inside the case and a water cooling solution is just too expensive, complex and space restrained. They also need to keep the power draw reasonable to avoid EU rejecting their self-imposed power "efficient gaming" initiative and imposing hard limits.
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Since you didn't say double digit percentage, I thought you meant Teraflops
The opposite was actually true, for a long time at least. Sony seemed to have better tools/libs/drivers. MS's drivers, early on, were a matter of very public debate in terms of contributing to even greater differences in performance in PS4 vs XB1 games. Things improved but I'm not sure MS caught up on all fronts - perhaps partially due to a difference in approach to how high or low level the access drivers should grant.
I think it was fair enough to raise it, given the context - an appeal to MS's 'traditional software strengths'. That necessarily asks us to look back - and the Penello quote was just part of a very unfortunately public falling apart of the 'MS is strong on software, Sony is strong on hardware' narrative.
Now, MS may well be in top form on the software and hardware stack for Scarlett, so Klee is right to say we shouldn't underestimate that. But it's fair to say there is no 'traditional' pristine track record to call on here, with regard to MS and the software stack.
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