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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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Hopefully as I won't be happy if they continue this event trend haha
also seems like jim ryan confirms ghost of tsushima for 2020, but i am not 100% confient and i am not sure it will be relevant to this thread or not as we dont know if its cross gen yet.
the thing that i can see here as news is Jim Ryan refers to the SSD as memory (through google translate it says the SSD is used as the "memory medium" but in the quote i used yandex as generally i find it more accurate for japanese), might be like the virtual ram comment that MS made? or maybe ReRam ;)
The fall 2021 Spiderman rumor is very interesting. It tooks three years to make the first Spiderman and maybe the Spiderman SSD demo was some R&D for the next Spiderman on PS5. Sony will maybe have Horizon Zero Dawn 2 and Spiderman 2 first year maybe part of the reason they think they can sold more PS5 than PS4 the two first year.
I stopped to reacted to those post, but yeah, this is quite tiresome to read.
I think it's just translation. He just means the storage medium I think. But yes, he hones in on that as a key change for next-gen.
I think what was also interesting in this interview is what seems to be - for the first time from a senior Sony exec perhaps - a full-throated acknowledgment that the silo-ed networks of before are not viable anymore.
Quite a turnaround from even his own comments not too long ago. With a better translation, at least, that would probably be worth its own thread given the shift it is from previous.
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But it comes from Imran Khan from Kinda Funny podacast
EDIT: Thread on resetera
Thanks.
I don't know if Imran Khan is reliable, but I can see a christmas 2021 release. Lots of works already done (traversal, part of city geometry, probably thousands of photos of New York, character models, etc.) and now a Sony's studio so focus on that.
Ok, likely the last time I'm answering you because you seem so dead-set on a narrative that you aren't even properly reading what people are writing.
Current gen games are a bad metric for compute usage because they had to target a platform with (comparatively) pretty weak GPU compute capability. Virtually every single AAA game you can play (and measure) on a PC was build so it could run on an Xbox One.
Yes, we have other platforms with more powerful compute, no, devs are not using this extra compute power on them, with the exception of a few select cases, like Sony's first party exclusives.
Now, that may be the case in the future as well, maybe devs will never ever design games that make meaningful use of GPU compute and/or resolution-inelastic rendering techniques, like the voxel-based stuff I mentioned, pretty useful for dynamic GI. I don't know, I wouldn't want to limit them, though. And having one platform with (comparatively) much more limited GPU compute capabilities would most definitely be something that would limit them.
Also, this tells me you don't even have a proper grasp on the things being discussed here, because resolution-independent loads would much more of a problem for a lower power device than a higher power one, as when increasing power they'll take proportionally less and less of the frame time.
Look, it's clear that we can make any device work very easily. Let's give developers and players options at every price point! 10 SKUs for everyone next generation!
I keep reading about "the 1.3Tflops baseline".
If this was really that simple, how can a 300 to 600 gflops GPU run those games supposedly running on a 1.3Tflops baseline ?
If this was really that simple, how can a 300 to 600 gflops GPU run those games supposedly running on a 1.3Tflops baseline ?
The handful of ports developed quite a bit after the games were released and that make pretty significant compromises? TW3 handheld runs at a fraction of the resolution and still had to downgrade virtually every single effect and yank out a bunch of them completely - and that's a game that was released pretty early in the gen.
No. The PC games released day and date that runs on a Radeon 530. Or even Intel HD GPUs. Now, do they run well ? It depends. The higher the result is on that "baseline" as you call it, the more leverage you have on those lower end GPUs.
Three years is the time it tooks to make the first spiderman. I will not be surprised if he can make Spiderman 2 in three years. And they were the first demo of PS5 technology. This is probably some R&D.
I expect it to release in fall 2021 myself, the first game was in full development only for 2 years, insom are hella efficient.
I just wanted to clarify that this isnt really a rumor its speculation.
I wouldn't say it depends, they virtually never play well enough without going into almost full potato mode. By well enough I mean stable 30FPS and without looking like a blurry mess. Of course you're going to have lightweight games that can run on a smartwatch, but we both know that's not what I'm talking about.
Try running RDR2 on an Intel HD. Gonna be super pleasant.
It all comes down to what the game is asking for. If on a 1.3Tflops machine (Xbox One) the game is running at 720p, yeah, no shit with half the hardware power, you get a game running worse. It's not about a baseline. It's all about "How much horsepower do you need to run the game". If your 11Tflops machine runs all its games at 4k, your 4Tflops machine should manage 1080p/900p or even 720p. So if your game is 1080p on an Xbox One, you have more leverage with half the horse power.
E3 2020 could have Horizon 2 (gameplay trailer) and Spider Man 2 (one more thing teaser / trailer)
Maybe I'm pessimistic but I thought they wouldnt be ready til 2022.
You know what though, as high profile as Spiderman is, I'd love for insomniac to get the time they need to make something truly breathtaking and push the sequel to its brink.
I'd love for them to be given the luxury of a Naughty Dog to go out there and make it their dream game.
And rumor the second Insomniac team work on a Ratchet and Clank. It was a PS4 game but they decided to transfer it to PS5. We can have Ratchet and Clank gameplay, Horizon 2 gameplay trailer, Spiderman 2 teaser, maybe Bluepoint game (Demon's Soul's remake?), the Housemarque AAA game (Shu visited them when he was president of SCEWWS before letting the place to Hermen Hulst) and maybe one of the Supermassive games(they said they work on PS exclusive)
Other possibilites but less plausible maybe a Studio Wushu exclusive and maybe Ready At Dawn game.
If all of this is true the first two years of PS5 exclusives will be much better than PS4.
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Another one. Screen res is 745p, internal res is 1/2 that. Everything low and disabled. And the frame rate is atrocious. On a .4TF part.
But I was told that you just need to drop the resolution.
I dont insomniac needs so much time for spidey 2 though, they got a lot of work that they can carry over, the suits are really high quality, spiderman's animations are superb, they should just expand the city, fill it with snow, add more enemies, go with an even bigger scale on the missions and improve side quests by a lot, and this is pretty much spiderman 2, it doesnt need 5 years of development time.
Well, on a 1.3Tflops machine, RDR2 runs at 864p. And well, even Xbox One X use some settings under the lowest ones on PC, which means you cant achieve complete visual parity (so you can expect worse on an Xbox One).
Saying "Try running RDR2 on an intel HD !" isn't an argument. Because there are multiple problems you might come into on that GPU. Memory bandwith for one (a console running a lower Tflops GPU would still have fast memory). And on top of that: It all depends what you're comparing to.
As I said, RDR2 have troubles running on lower than 1tflops hardware because it already has troubles running on a 1.3Tflops one. Because those 1.3Tflops hardware already runs it a 864p with framerate issues.
Your comment isn't making sense on many ways:
1. It's an Intel .4TF part. Not only you cant compare flops from different vendors but that's also more than 3 times lower than Xbox One... Rated a 1.3Tflops where the game runs at 864p.
2. It's an integrated GPU, which means you're likely running into bandwith issues.
3. "Disabling everything" is moronic. Because not every settings is the same. Some have a lower performance impact yet a more meaningful visual impact. Why would you disable textures if it's not what's causing you performance issues ?
True. To be honest, I'm most excited about a Ratchet 2 remake aka the best Ratchet. A PS5 version will be amazing
I'm tired of trying to argue that a weaker GPU will run into other bottlenecks even if you reduce resolution to a blurry mess. At this rate, I'm just going to let people believe in their unicorns
is this a reverse "when you see your custom character in a cutscene"?
Probably, LOL. I have no other what ini file tweaking was done for this, but Arthur is looking sharp as ever
PS: No that's not a pun
Virtua Fighter was way ahead of the curve (no tessellation).
They already have the camera. It's called Kinect Azure. It is tiny, powered by a simple USB port. It has a Amazon-Echo level whole room microphone, 4K camera and it's other sensors (Depth, motion, IR) are twice as good as the Kinect v2.
They already have the camera. It's called Kinect Azure. It is tiny, powered by a simple USB port. It has a Amazon-Echo level whole room microphone, 4K camera and it's other sensors (Depth, motion, IR) are twice as good as the Kinect v2.
at least we can be assured that if this is the camera that MS are using then they wont be bundled this time.
That thing is probably way to expensive. They develope and sell a cheaper version of it.
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