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Do you mean this two?
.....both are talking about scaling up.
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Do you mean this two?
.....both are talking about scaling up.
I can accept that, okay Xbox Project Leo for $99.
All games are still built for Anaconda spec, as there would be no Lockhart to hold it back.
Xbox Leo streaming console/unit just streams Anaconda/Scarlett games at whatever resolution your internet connection can deal with, from Anaconda blades in the cloud.
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Lockhart is dead or they will give a bad surprise to third party developer. But I think a Xbox Scarlett SAD will arrive one day.
We've got DF's dev sources and actual devs in this thread like Matt, Fafalada, dgrdsv etc on here confirming that porting down to a low spec. console is a pain in the ass, expensive and something that nobody wants to have to be burdened with... and yet faceless layman posters are still insisting, "b-b-but mid-gen consoles, it's easy, man. I am rite!"
I don't even...
I don't even...
Just wanted to ask, the information you have, is it from your one friend?
Interesting.I didn't expect that 3rd parties are already making next gen only games.
But I was told you just need to cut the resolution, Threads!
What worries me is that there are users in this thread who are enthusiastic about seeing Lockhart come back to life. We need strong baselines to push tech forward.
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Seriously WTF.
I'm am never, ever going to comment on Lockhart ever again because it's a waste of time.
Besides, what I say isn't gospel anyway, plus I also have no desire to feed a senseless console war pissing match.
I believe one of the primary reasons some latch so tightly to the idea of Lockhart is because it justifys Scarlett Anaconda performance being above PS5, otherwise why even introduce Lockhart.
So, not going there....
This is not a good comparison, it has low RAM on the 530, which is causing a lot of stuttering.
You're taking roughly two quotes from a few years back and extrapolating them to seemingly every game/engine/developer, and also to a completely new console generation as well.
You could be right, but until we get better and newer information specific to this upcoming generation, we might want to hold off on any all encompassing claims of how effortless all this will be for developers.
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I love you guys so much. Hahaha
Anywho. Gonna go to work. Enjoy the console war guys! Have fun XOXOXOXO
it isnt hampered lol
People are just doubting the Lockhart rumor. We dont think it exists.
Outside of the occasional technical discussion that far too often gets lost amid the madness of this thread, Kleegamefan 's occasional truthbombs and anexanhume 's subsequent reaction gif posts are really a highlight of the thread.
Thanks for keeping things bearable, gents.
WTF, don't you know I can run RDR2 on my Commadore 64.....!!!
In a whole twenty four pee, bitches!!!
I don't get it. The higher the spec. baseline for next-gen consoles, the more ambitious next-gen games will be.
It's like folks care more about a platform holder's price competitiveness than the overall quality of games next-gen.
The ironic thing is that a very low spec. Lockhart will actually mean games on Anaconda (especially exclusives) will not be made to take the full advantage of the higher spec box's hardware, because they'll be made for the path of least resistance, which is ported up from Lockhart.
So Lockhart proponents thinking Lockhart will make their Anaconda more powerful are in many ways biting of their own nose to spite their face.
Make sense with how long games take to make .
If you start on a game this year or the next with the average for games now taking 3 to 4 years current gen dead by then .
We know that bethesda new IP next gen only and same for ES.
no they are not. no matter what anyone tells you, they are using x1 as the base and then porting it to x1x. the only reason why you see FH4 and Gears 5 running at native 4k is because of the fact that the base x1 versions were running at a quarter of a resolution. everything from the foliage, lighting, car models and destruction is pretty much identical across both versions. a 6 tflops gpu can do much more than what the forza and gears guys are currently doing with it. check out the anthem demo, the unity book of the damned demo and the UE4 storm demo to see what you can do with a 6 tflops gpu.
hell, by your logic, if MS does come out with a 6 tflops lockheart with next gen graphics taking full advantage of those 6 tflops, you will see that the games will look a generation ahead of forza horizon 4 and gears 5 simply because those 6 tflops wouldve been used to render actual next gen graphical effects than simply taking an image created for a 1.3 tflops gpu and making it run at 4x the pixels.
p.s scaling down will result in games that look like this.
Don't forget that cheaper Lockhart will be the best selling of the 2 (3 if you count PS5). So devs will prioritize the device that more people own
Yeah it's just a stupid thing. Especially when you and Matt have both mentioned performance between PS5 and Scarlett is close. You'd want things like 16GB GDDR6, 8 core Zen 2, and 10 TF to be baseline.
Nah if count PS5 and high end MS system it would have sold more than lockhart .
All lockhart would have done is fuck up MS when it comes to devs trying to get most out of there high end system .
no they are not. no matter what anyone tells you, they are using x1 as the base and then porting it to x1x. the only reason why you see FH4 and Gears 5 running at native 4k is because of the fact that the base x1 versions were running at a quarter of a resolution. everything from the foliage, lighting, car models and destruction is pretty much identical across both versions. a 6 tflops gpu can do much more than what the forza and gears guys are currently doing with it. check out the anthem demo, the unity book of the damned demo and the UE4 storm demo to see what you can do with a 6 tflops gpu.
hell, by your logic, if MS does come out with a 6 tflops lockheart with next gen graphics taking full advantage of those 6 tflops, you will see that the games will look a generation ahead of forza horizon 4 and gears 5 simply because those 6 tflops wouldve been used to render actual next gen graphical effects than simply taking an image created for a 1.3 tflops gpu and making it run at 4x the pixels.
p.s scaling down will result in games that look like this.
There is worse
This has traditionally been the belief, but this past year seems to indicate the X and Pro being the focus, with the base consoles running many games rather poorly.
I just want Kojima to give me a next gen Snatcher and Playground to absolutely nail their RPG. Also a Destiny 3 with minimal loading and Halo Infinite with big fun sandboxes and interactive level design.
Is that so? Cool, seems i forgot this.
Didn't Todd Howard say he wasn't opposed to a current-gen version?
I think those games would have run poorly even if Pro and X didn't exist. Me got poorly optimised games every year this gen
Even a cheap Lockhart isn't going to outsell PS5.
That said, games like Control have shown devs often don't always target the most popular box as lead.
Man, where are you reading any of this? I have stated it severally that Mark Cerny talked about a single developer porting Days Gone. I even quoted that very statement from the Eurogamer interview. I also gave a quote from Eurogamer where they stated that porting Forza's engine took two days, and the game (Forza Horizon 4) was made on higher spec then scaled down. I really struggle to see how these statements are being used liberally in an interchangeable manner.
If you have an issue with that, take it with the equipment manufacturers that also tend to have some top of the tier development houses that produce better work on their platforms than anyone else. Or are they armchair too?
You really need to stop looking at this from 'games might be downgraded' if there is a low hanging fruit because this is what game development has always been about, even more so this generation.
Did I?
Forza Engine - 2 days to port.
Days Gone - Ported by a single developer.
Forza Horizon 4 - Made on Xbox One X as lead platform and ported down.
All simple statements that can be easily counter checked. Why they are being confused despite being common knowledge is really beyond me.
So, an extension of what we have seen happen this generation cannot be something that platform holders and developers can learn from? Tools cannot get better?
This. they dont realize that they are sacrificing quality of next gen MS exclusives in favor of winning the sales war.
the PS3 era was my favorite Sony era. Yes, they were losing billions. yes, the PS3 ports were shoddy if not straight up terrible. But i loved it because their exclusives right from the get go looked much better than other multiplatform games. and then eventually they began to play better too. sales or being cheaper meant nothing to me as long as the games took full advantage of the cell. as soon as kz2 hit, it became apparent that the cell was the real deal and sony needed first party studios to take full advantage of it. if MS puts out a 12 tflops gpu and has devs target a 4 tflops gpu then they will be gimping themselves instead of setting themselves apart like sony did with KZ2, Uncharted 2 and GoW3.
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He was talking about upscaling. It isn't about downscaling.
Also I didn't talk about how easy or hard upscaling was, it's that there are some developers, like CDProjekt who chose not to and even when they did 2 years later, had a few problems that needed other patches to fix.
We are clearly talking about two different things here.
BGE2 was announced before next gen (which are not really announced yet). In fact, it was announced before actual gen.
They never specificially said on which platform the game will release. But from what we saw, it screems SSD. The data streaming and LOD transition is already insane and with barely any pop in.
Unfortunately we just don't have up to date quotes from developers pertaining to what they can or can't do with the upcoming hardware and tools to conclusively say how truly "easy" it is.
You're free to speculate, you could be right, but old quotes may just be old quotes. These type of things are rarely as cut and dry as the PR makes them seem, so I'm happy to wait and let developers speak for themselves.
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