Forza Motorsport and Days gone were scale up not scale down. Stop the bullshit...
There is only Forza Horizon 4 scaling down in the hundreds of game improve on midgen consoles. All other games are scale up like Forza or Days Gone.
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Forza Motorsport and Days gone were scale up not scale down. Stop the bullshit...
There is only Forza Horizon 4 scaling down in the hundreds of game improve on midgen consoles. All other games are scale up like Forza or Days Gone.
Depending to who he talk it is a crossgen games or a next gen games.
Also to consider that FH4 was a game in a genre the dev had experience in, meaning they knew what the X could achieve vs the S.
In our case it would be a bunch of different devs, within different genres/engines, trying to figure out what they can actually do on little known hardware.
And I am saying that it really shouldn't matter whether you are upscaling or down scaling. If you are porting up/down and you run into issues, what do you do? You debug. You then eventually get resolutions being dynamic so that frame rates can hold....it is toggling of settings until you get the balance right.
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He was talking about upscaling. It isn't about downscaling.
Also I didn't talk about how easy or hard upscaling was, it's that there are some developers, like CDProjekt who chose not to and even when they did 2 years later, had a few problems that needed other patches to fix.
We are clearly talking about two different things here.
In performance modes where you get higher framerates, you are simply sacrificing resolution.......basically what we currently see is what we could see if there is Lockhart or another mid gen refresh.
It is not new, it is not strange. You can work from either end, and that was the point I was making before the focus on semantics came to the fore.
Are you reading before posting? Where have I stated that Days Gone was ported up?
Where have I stated that Forza Motorsport was ported up?
I have stated, and provided links to show that Days Gone was ported by a single developer according to Cerny. That Forzatech (the engine) was ported in two days, and simply stated that Forza Horizon 4 (the game) was developed on Xbox One X as lead platform.
None of those statements is false. If you think they are, I would love for you to prove me wrong.
What we have is statements from manufacturers that have development teams. It seems like people are really going out of their way here and I wonder why.
What are you giving up on? Have I not been rather consistent in what I have been stating all along? Yikes!
And your example are insignifiant because the debate is on scaling down out of Forza Horizon 4 you have no argument at all. People don't care than scaling up is easy for Days Gone and Forza Motorsport, this is not what I and other people talk about. I don't know why you talk of scaling up when the problem is scaling down. Like I said one game on hundreds of game on midgen was scaling down and dev told than scale up was the solution for Lockhart and he feedback they gave to is that it would cause trouble for Microsoft with inferior Anaconda version compared to PS5. This is what people with true knowledge said and the reason Microsoft cancelled Lockhart.
This is the only truth. Other stuff you posted have no place inside the debate. Other example are downport to Switch for example, at least this is example of scaling down but a bit to extreme to be compared with Lockhart.
Just in case we are looking for a new thread title:
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - Going crazy
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - Going crazy
you have been consistently wrong yes.
you refuse to learn the simple fact that the mid gen consoles were ported UP, not ported DOWN.
its gone on for two pages now and you simply refuse to learn.
And the funniest things we speak about a cancelled console. Something which will not exist at all in he future.
My man, stick to one line of argument, and argue it well enough.
You have been replying to me. In one of my responses, I stated that if third parties are concerned about what their games may look like, why not start with Anaconda variant and then port down? I gave the example of Forza Horizon 4 as evidence that it could be done. It was a simple statement that was verifiable.
You then went on about cost, which is something you never ever backed up. Went on to strawman debates like armchair developer and stating that I was telling lies. And now we are back here, to step one, where you are looking to limit debate, I wonder why.
There maybe a story here that makes the conflicting reports a little less conflicting. This is just my speculation:
2017-2018: Microsoft plans Anaconda + Lockhart (1 beefy full cost console and 1 lower price console to drive a competitive advantage). At this stage Lockhart could be a lower spec'd console that runs game locally OR if Xcloud is successful, a streaming box. MS starts floating the idea of a lower spec console to Devs.
2019 (early) - Lockhart as a local compute console is cancelled due to feedback and xCloud looking promising. Devs will only have to develop for 1 spec. This is the news we hear. Lockhart wasn't cancelled as a streaming box, and there is no need to talk to devs about it since the box itself if inconsequential to the development.
2019 (late) - MS starts working on sourcing the streaming device, still named lockhart. Devs aren't hiring about it (klee, Matt sources), but MS hardware people are (Warren, Sams). Lockhart is going to be a streaming box. Devs aren't going to get surprised withe a new spec <1 year from release.
I might just want this to be true, because I hate the idea of Lockhart anchoring the entire generation.
2017-2018: Microsoft plans Anaconda + Lockhart (1 beefy full cost console and 1 lower price console to drive a competitive advantage). At this stage Lockhart could be a lower spec'd console that runs game locally OR if Xcloud is successful, a streaming box. MS starts floating the idea of a lower spec console to Devs.
2019 (early) - Lockhart as a local compute console is cancelled due to feedback and xCloud looking promising. Devs will only have to develop for 1 spec. This is the news we hear. Lockhart wasn't cancelled as a streaming box, and there is no need to talk to devs about it since the box itself if inconsequential to the development.
2019 (late) - MS starts working on sourcing the streaming device, still named lockhart. Devs aren't hiring about it (klee, Matt sources), but MS hardware people are (Warren, Sams). Lockhart is going to be a streaming box. Devs aren't going to get surprised withe a new spec <1 year from release.
I might just want this to be true, because I hate the idea of Lockhart anchoring the entire generation.
FH4 was done from the point of already having FH3 running on the weaker hardware. That makes it a very different proposition.
"In fact due to contractual constraints AMD must supply the most powerful APU to Sony"
LOL
Is there a major third party developer that does not have anything running on Xbox One/S?
Because it cost more and it is more difficult than scale up. Like I said before they have more platform than Playground games.
It's an update to a very similar game though. Incidentally the enhanced X patch for FH3 was 3 months effort.
lmao. spinningbirdkick is alive and well on pastebin.
i like tom warren but didnt Phil say that they just got done shipping thousands of devkits? maybe they are in the mail.
iirc jason said that the devkits were being sent out way back in april. maybe they were the early ones and these are based on the near final silicon?
I deal with sourcing large corporate contracts in the hundreds of millions of dollars (nothing tech related) and this is actually a thing that happens. Not saying I believe it, just that it's feesable.
EDIT: These types of commitments are more likely when there is competition from vendors, in this case I'm not sure what leverage Sony would have had to pull it off. They would have had to threaten to go Intel and or Nvidia.
There are tons of mid tier or indie developer without Scarlett devkit, believe me. Out of some studios of the big publisher like EA, Activision Blizzard, Ubi Soft, Bethesda and so on...
Edit: tomwarren said many studios don't have Scarlett devkits is true. The studio without Scarlett devkit work with PC and target specs.
going to intel, nvidia, arm, not gonna happen either for cost or changing isa.
i can't imagine any scenario where sony would get to know what ms requested to build, so i'd just discount this blathering out of hand.
I demand a longer answer!
Seriously though, do you mean they dont have the most recent devkits or they havent received any devkits yet at all?
why would MS allow this? MS has more money than Sony. If Sony can threaten to go with Nvidia then so can MS.
And AMD knows neither of them had any leverage because due to BC they are both pretty much forced to stick with AMD next gen. Besides, if there was a contract, MS wouldve known about it and they wouldnt have said the bit about setting the power benchmark last year.
Sorry typing on phone in the metro.
No devkit at all work on PC and target spec.
With all the work that MS has done with AMD to make Ryzen amazing on PC this would be a big shocker to me.
Playstation 4 is a single platform with two variants.
Xbox One is a single platform with three variants in terms of performance.
Nintendo Switch is a single platform that has two performance modes.
They are already making games to meet different performance profiles. On the high end spectrum, they are already playing around with performance modes......essentially all they would need to do with several models of another console. Nothing new, nothing fresh.
If they are making games for PS5, use the same resources on Scarlett seeing that most think that they will be really close, toggle settings and debug.
It really does not answer my question, are they alone in having content out in a weaker spec console? The answer is no! They may have advantages seeing that they are now a first party developer, but other than that?
And the reasons are given why it took three months.
No worries. Are you saying all the big publishers have them and mid tier are waiting or are you saying even some of the majors don't have them? That would be surprising.
Microsoft will have to use Vega with a navi sticker on it :)
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Maybe not all the mid tier studio but some studio not so little does not have it. I don't know for big studios but I doubt MS did not send early devkit to all big studios.
Maybe not all the mid tier studio but some studio not so little does not have it. I don't know for big studios but I doubt MS did not send early devkit to all big studios.
Last question, how are they taking it? Are there grumbles or it's not really that bad because microsoft supports scarlett development in other ways?
He is giving an assumption though.
I dont think it is, either. Since MS' partnership with AMD goes beyond just the Xbox brand,
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