My random guess for PS5 target is-
54 x 128 x 1900 = 13.1 TF
(54 is a nice number for back compat because x3 of PS4s 18 cus)
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My random guess for PS5 target is-
54 x 128 x 1900 = 13.1 TF
(54 is a nice number for back compat because x3 of PS4s 18 cus)
I dont want to get caught up on thinking too much about the butterfly design. It's a simple solution to make a mid gen console upgrade, but that doesn't mean that it's the only way to have BC.
Interesting... triple butterfly design maybe? Or would it just be simpler to not split it up and just have 56 CU's?
Also, anyone know where we stand on the chiplet subject? I recall asking a few months ago but honestly don't recall what was discussed. Are we likely to see chiplets on 7nm or are they being relegated to 7nm+ and beyond?
If we go by how many consoles got sold overall, it did not <.<
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a) DukeBlueBall was right, there's only 40 CUs
b) Cerny wants a clean way to support enhanced PS4 Pro games that will not get updated by their devs.
Triple butterfly configuration, 54 CUs would be nice. Clocked somewhere between 1.8 and 1.9 GHz.
It did tho 0.0
lol this is something I've had to explain too many times but really those tweets mean nothing.
Fair enough, just my brain coming up with possibilities based on my relatively limited knowledge :)
Anyways, as far as Anaconda and the PS5 are concerned I'll echo my thoughts from last year in that both systems will have advantages over the other. It could be GPU, CPU, SSD, RAM, RT implementation, 3D audio or something else, but the TF figure is only going to be a part of the whole picture. So one machine could have a higher TF count and the other could use faster RAM or a faster SSD that allows more flexibility in game design and balances the scales for example.
Based on the rumors so far there's a POSSIBILITY that Sony could take the edge on the SSD front since there seems to be more mystery surrounding their implementation over MS's, plus we have that patent of theirs and the possibility of ReRAM being involved in their setup. With regards to RAM, MS has already tipped their hand by letting us know it's GDDR6. Whatever Sony puts in the PS5 it will at the very least match it by being GDDR6, but of course the amount of RAM could vary. Again there is the POSSIBILITY that Sony could try to aim higher by going for HBM2 or HBM3, but I don't think we've heard any real rumors on that front in a long while.
Another thought I had...
While Lockhart may (or will) indeed make up the bulk of next-gen Xbox sales, going forward after 2020/2021, 3rd party devs are going to want to target the overall baseline of new hardware (PC, PS5, Stadia, plus those who have Anaconda) which will all be 10+ TFlops. So Lockhart may end up getting downports in terms of graphical detail, lighting, etc. and with lower framerates (even at just 1080p).
We all saw what happened with XBox One even at the start of this generation. A lot of 900p/720p resolution
While Lockhart may (or will) indeed make up the bulk of next-gen Xbox sales, going forward after 2020/2021, 3rd party devs are going to want to target the overall baseline of new hardware (PC, PS5, Stadia, plus those who have Anaconda) which will all be 10+ TFlops. So Lockhart may end up getting downports in terms of graphical detail, lighting, etc. and with lower framerates (even at just 1080p).
We all saw what happened with XBox One even at the start of this generation. A lot of 900p/720p resolution
Idk if Navi allows for 3 shader engines. It's more likely for the PS5 to be 72CUs. 9WGP per shader engine, 4 shader engines total, or 18WGP per shader engine, 2 shader engines total.
If anything, in case you want to consider this rumor to be credible that is, then 40CUs have to be taken off the table. It has to be more.
You heard it here first folks, the PS5 uses 72 CU's!!! :D
lol, kidding, kidding. Still I just found it kinda odd that the butterfly nature of the Pro doesn't seem to get discussed when talking about the PS5. Sure it was probably an easier implementation for a mid-gen upgrade but it's also the last project done by the same system architect that is making the PS5 so to me it kinda makes sense to look at his last work to see where his mind might be at.
Incidentally, can the butterfly be achieved with 2 Navi chiplets? :)
It didnt 0.0
Let's go with the official numbers we have. The PS3 launched one year later and still outsold the Xbox 360. And if MS won't give us an updated number to prove otherwise, it's what it is.
Here we go again... Or better not.
Incomplete data it is. But this is not really the right place to talk about it, there were already two threads for it.
You really think we can't do better vegetation than current gen?
Watch Avatar movie there is better vegetation than current gen games. We can have better looking tree with better physics/animation too.
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But the engine was built from the ground up for next gen? They literally took an extra 2 years of game dev to create it. It's called the SlipSpace engine.
On pc it's still baby steps plus patches plus brute forcing/tweaking settings to get it working well
On console With fixed specs and likely lower performance I think we will be ok. I don't think we'll see brute force full RTX approaches, but the hardware will be used to accelerate and make viable new lighting techniques, augmenting smart approaches
"engine was built from the ground up for next gen" sounds like random buzz words. their engine supports PC, X1 and Scarlett.
a game being built from the ground up for next gen means not held back by current gen shackles, design around 7x faster CPU, 40x faster SSD, etc.
Fact is, the Halo E3 2019 trailer didnt show any use of the SSD, and no use of the improved CPU tech, other than 2x the framerate (again, the CPU is estimated to be 7x faster, maybe even better considering the 3.5Ghz which is more than expected).
A next gen game will look very different than what the Halo Infinite cutscene has shown.
Well maybe you better not.
Incomplete data indeed. If MS refuses to update their number let's go with the official numbers we have. It is what it is.
Anyway this is indeed not the right thread to talk about that. We better get some PS5 and Scarlett leaks soon. This thread needs more fuel.
The vector unit code coming from AVX 128 to AVX 256 will even run faster probably more than 10 times faster. In theory 12 to 14 times faster.
I'm going to guess they're going to try and phase it out, which is really sad to me :( But Jim Ryan said that they're not in that business.
So basically you're saying that the consoles won't be exactly the same and both could use RAM of some sort. I don't mean this in a snarky way so please don't take offense but yeah.. for sure. HBM would be cool just to see something different but unlikely.
Perhaps the consoles are very close to each other like insiders have said. Or maybe they'll make a console with a nitrous boost button for the heavy scenes... We'll just never know.
lol, I'm pointing out that there are multiple opportunities for one console to shine over the other with regards to specific features. I was using the SSD and the RAM as examples. With the SSD Sony COULD have an edge based on what little we know, and on the RAM front at the very worst Sony should be using the same type of RAM MS has already announced for Anaconda, and there's the potential for them to aim for faster RAM based on all the discussion that's been going on the past year or so here.
By that same token I'm sure there will be certain aspects of Anaconda that will be superior to what the PS5 can do. Maybe it is the GPU and CPU, or maybe it's something else. Whatever these consoles end up being in the end, I am confident that the TF number alone will not tell the full story of one being better than the other.
The little things will make DF videos fun. We can all pretend to have the superior version because if you look at the tie of the character in the background you can see that the lines are blurrier when you zoom in 20x.
lol, yup. I forsee a LOT of nitpicking over fine details for warriors to claim their box is superior because it can do XYZ better in this scneario while on the other side they're saying theirs is better because it can do ABC better in another scneario.
I look forward to seeing it all play out :)
It won't be 54 cause it would imply a 58 CUs GPU but the number of CUs needs to be divisible by 4.
I thought that as well, but if Komachi is right we have a backward compatibility mode that requires 18 CUs. How will that work?
Does this whole 18 CU for BC thing only account for 1:1 BC, or does enhanced BC fit into that as well?
Just curious because if enhanced BC isn't a factor there for the 18 CU's and they want enhanced BC then doesn't that change the needed CU figures?
I dont think that thing is confirmed, you only need it to be even because the design couples CUs together, but is there any proof that also those designs are limited by division of 4? PS4 was 18CU and so is its BC mode on the PS5 supposedly.
Yeah thanks rushed through it and didn't get the actual idea. :D
yep.
And honestly, I wouldnt mind a 40 CU x 2000 Ghz at all, but I dont think there's concrete info out there supporting it.
Unless well, we find out the 5700 XT was based on the PS5 GPU in some way.
didnt the wccftech writer that leaked Navi accurately before anyone else say that MS and Sony are both using a bigger navi die than the navi 10?
Klee friend said both these machines are getting performance greater than current navi cards. So unless we're getting some sort of mix of 5700XT with more CUs and RT, I think it might use the new cards being unveiled at CES (rumor).
Do we have the estimated die size for each console? DukeBlueBall estimated that Anaconda measured roughly 350~360mm that *should* be able to hold around 50~52 CUs.
Ps5's die was rumoured to be around 300~316 which *should* be able to hold around 44~46 CUs
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