Who says that PS5 can't have some type of hardware RT and yet still not be more of a complete RDNA2/"next generation RDNA" part? These are custom SOCs that will be made of whatever is chosen during the design and development process.
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Who says that PS5 can't have some type of hardware RT and yet still not be more of a complete RDNA2/"next generation RDNA" part? These are custom SOCs that will be made of whatever is chosen during the design and development process.
This is like when people were saying Scarlett is using Vega instead of Navi.
It's nonsense.
both sony and ms are getting the same exact gpu features with some custom shit put in by their engineers. the best you can hope for is more CUs if MS offered to pay more for a bigger chip.
MS's tier 2 vrs solution should be better so any tflops advantage sony might have can be mitigated by that. but both should be on the same arch.
lets not forget the arcturus rumors floating around before rdna was revealed. PS5 was supposed to be GCN and Scarlett was arcturus or the true next gen gpu lol. this is just a continuation of that dream.
Its not just RDNA1 or RDNA2 - its a completely different node folks. You get one or the other and then a mix of features. RDNA 2 is on 7nm+ which is incompatible with 7nm designs. I would be shocked if Sony comes in an entire node behind launching at the same time.
Its not like PS Pro vs 1X - there was a year of difference there. These two consoles will be launching in likely the same month. There will be no difference in node.
Its not like PS Pro vs 1X - there was a year of difference there. These two consoles will be launching in likely the same month. There will be no difference in node.
I dont think so. I did think it could be wrong, but I dont think it does anymore.
Jason Evangelho
Also, this article came out before 5700 came into the picture from Usman, how much from it is proven right?
Where I got the code ID for Ariel
I don't know what's real anymore in this thread.
So Navi was co-designed by AMD and Sony?
No way Xbox gets the better tech then and it also lines up with all the rumours and rumblings we've been hearing since E3.
No way Xbox gets the better tech then and it also lines up with all the rumours and rumblings we've been hearing since E3.
Nah, Sony might get it for cheaper but I don't think they will withold it because they developed it with Sony. Microsoft is also a money maker for AMD.
Haven't checked up on this thread in a few days. Is there anything new or all we still expecting XSX to be at 12tf while still jumping around from 8tf to 14tf for the PS5?
This is such a ridiculous rumor not even sure how it started. Sounds like some mister x media shit , sony and ms both add input for their specific separate semi custom navi designs
HBM is a AMD thing. So if they made some kind of deal to use HBM for other things within their company such as AI/DATACENTERS. That would make sense for some close R&D. Not necessarily exclusive in chip design, but maybe in memory delivery for the system including the GPU.
Read my post up above. Read the article by Usman Pirzada, and then the code ID for Navi.
I was just going on the notion that it seems with every leak the only edge the XSX has over the PS5 is the CPU, it does not make since that The PS5 would be leading in all avenues considering how much they are putting into their SSD tech
Another article by Usman Pirzada in October
We are now starting to see more info on Renoir APUs and mobile Ryzen.
We are now starting to see more info on Renoir APUs and mobile Ryzen.
my prediction
ps5:399$ between 9 to 10.5 tf, 16g ddr6, cpu 8/16 at 3.2, 1tb ssd, i think sony is going to try again with 399$ with later a ps5 pro
Ms Xbox Series x 499$ between 10.5, to 12tf. 16g ddr6, cpu.8/16 at 3.4 , 1tb ssd too,
Xbox series s 249$, between 4 to 5 tf, 12 gig ddr6, cpu 8/16 at 2.8, 1tb ssd
ps5:399$ between 9 to 10.5 tf, 16g ddr6, cpu 8/16 at 3.2, 1tb ssd, i think sony is going to try again with 399$ with later a ps5 pro
Ms Xbox Series x 499$ between 10.5, to 12tf. 16g ddr6, cpu.8/16 at 3.4 , 1tb ssd too,
Xbox series s 249$, between 4 to 5 tf, 12 gig ddr6, cpu 8/16 at 2.8, 1tb ssd
I stumbled upon this tweet from Komachi which says Ariel has a 3.6ghz clock speed for its CPU. I thought it was supposed to be 3.2ghz? It's quite confusing! Yes it's old, but all the rumours and speculation have been centered around a 3.2ghz clock speed. Why was this one different?
I dont think that Sony working with AMD is so bad; it probably means that it starts with Sony while Xbox was busy with Xbox One X, and then branches off.
Also 50-50 on pointing it out, because I'm sure there are people thinking it's either a misterxmedia level theory or a deluded fan's bias.
but yeah, that WCCFtech guy hasn't been wrong so far, as well as the other stuff, so I'm sorry if some think this is a way to downplay or demean Xbox Series X or anything.
Also 50-50 on pointing it out, because I'm sure there are people thinking it's either a misterxmedia level theory or a deluded fan's bias.
but yeah, that WCCFtech guy hasn't been wrong so far, as well as the other stuff, so I'm sorry if some think this is a way to downplay or demean Xbox Series X or anything.
The only loser in the whole AMD Sony thing is Raja Koduri. Sony and MS both get a GPU with ray tracing out next year.
Yes I still think NAVI 12 is now on 7nm+. Same CU, lower clocks, higher perf (~+30%) over a 5700XT. What else could possibly explain that?
RIP this post :| can't read.
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How do you get 30% higher perf with same CU and lower clocks. 🤔
30%+ over 5700XT? source? are you sure its not 30% faster than the 5500XT?
EDIT: just saw you posted 5500Xt never mind >< false alarm
This article by Usman claims its 32CUs, at the same clocks as the navi 10, which means they are targeting performance of 75% of the navi 10, which begs the question, why is rogame claiming its 40CU, is it perhaps a cut down navi 10 under a different name?
Ok, thank you! I was thinking I was going crazy. Not that I am not. going. crazy, but nevermind, yes.
So we have conflicting reports. Here we see a 32 CU vs a 40 CU part report. I had mistakenly read that it had fewer CU with lower clock and better perf that the 5500XT (5700XT). So thanks for clearing up that confusion.
Can't be binned Navi 10 if it has 192 bit bus.
Also the above image is misleading. They can't have two unbalanced shader engines like that by disabling an entire shader array afaik.
My guess 5600xt will be
1. 32CUs(32-36 total), 64 ROPS, 192 bit bus.
2. 32CUs(40 total), 64 ROPS, 256 bit bus with mixed density GDDR6.
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No idea, maybe they decided that they'd sacrifice the clockspeed of the CPU for something else for Gonzalo. Cost related, or otherwise.
Just want to calibrate expectations based on last gen.
When the PS4 / XB1 launched the top of the line AMD gpu was the 290x at ~5.6 teraflops.
XB1 was 23.3% of that
PS4 was 32.9% of that.
When the PS5 / Xsx launches, I expect the top of the line AMD GPU to be 16.4 TF.
This time around we're getting 56%-75% of the top of the line AMD GPU. Applied retroactively it would have been a 3.1TF, and 4.2TF back in 2013. MisterXMedia would have died happily overfapping.
The Lockhart SKU that is so maligned here is actually in line with what the XB1 / PS4 were in 2013.
23.3% of 16.4TF is 3.8TF
32.9% of 16.4TF is 5.4TF
When the PS4 / XB1 launched the top of the line AMD gpu was the 290x at ~5.6 teraflops.
XB1 was 23.3% of that
PS4 was 32.9% of that.
When the PS5 / Xsx launches, I expect the top of the line AMD GPU to be 16.4 TF.
This time around we're getting 56%-75% of the top of the line AMD GPU. Applied retroactively it would have been a 3.1TF, and 4.2TF back in 2013. MisterXMedia would have died happily overfapping.
The Lockhart SKU that is so maligned here is actually in line with what the XB1 / PS4 were in 2013.
23.3% of 16.4TF is 3.8TF
32.9% of 16.4TF is 5.4TF
Where in that article says it, that Sony was working with AMD? He only says, that Sony wants a GPU by 2020 so AMD will work on releasing Navi in that timeframe.
Good post, there will be earthquake in pc games requirements in late 2020/early 2021
Nope Nvidia will delivery Ampere on 7nm and will destroy everything. I believe 3080 ti will be around 22-23 tflops.
how much for the 3080 Ti by the way? Everyone will have one?
Yeap, but RTX 3060 will delivery 2080S perf for 349-399
I believe in 70% improv from Turing to Ampere, first nvidia 7nm(just this jump could bring 50% plus new arch enhancements)
What I expect from Nvidia Ampere
RTX 3060 11,5 TFLOPS
RTX 3070 14 TFLOPS
RTX 2080 17-18 TFLOPS
RTX 3080 TI 22-23 TFLOPS
still new cards to buy, most pc gamers with current machines will have to adjust
Depends like if a game on next-gen console with 10 TFLOPS(RDNA) can delivery 4k/60 for sure a PC with a 2060 can delivery same game @1080p and 60 fps or a 2070 @1440p.
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