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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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Phil told me the Series X is actually FP8 so it's really a 36TF console. I don't see Sony matching that. Microsoft has a trillion dollars (Australian) in the bank and they can afford to buy anyone. Even Sony.
Double the power also sounds a lot better than "after our calculations, it comes out to about double the power".
You know what sounds even better - OVER DOUBLE the power!
He looked like he was sweating when he was explaining it.
Brings me to this question I ask to some of you. Do you distrust an insider because you think they dont have a clue,
or because they didnt say what you want to hear.
A few of you really seem to lean to the latter.
or because they didnt say what you want to hear.
A few of you really seem to lean to the latter.
Do you have one example in history for gpu with same architecture has less power but more tflops?
Because it seems very unlikely and I hate having high expectations only to be let down.
Check out this trailer! It's IN-ENGINE BOYS!
...(probably too soon).
Phil said it quite clearly to me, it's going to be twice as powerful...not 2-3x the power. Forget TFlops.
If these next-gen consoles were closer to 2.5-3x in real-world performance as an x1x then we would be basically skipping half a gen! It would be a massive celebration.
For me, there is no PS5 vs XSX vs PC, we will all be moving forward together but we're asking too much based on what AMD has shown so far.
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Interesting, so RDNA is basically more efficient and more potent, but less TFLOPs? Or is it more TFLOPs?
Or is it just moot and no one really knows for sure, lol.
no shit. It's not only directed to one particular console following.
You don't like Klee just because he testified about the PS5 devkit being seen as more powerful from his contacts ?
I knew that worst than warrior could exist : pilgrims, henchmen, evangelists and sandwich-men.
Take it easy bros. they way they said twice as pwoerful as XB O OX is safe claim, because if he said 2.5 more pwoerful (thanks to RDNA) then most people would call him a liar if they see XB OX with 6 tflops and compare it to XB SX with 12 Tflops. They won't understand that RDNA is more efficient. They just look at raw numbers.
The goalposts sure keep moving. People just coming to terms that the boxes will be very similar, and it will be hard to console war. They don't want to believe the truth. Everything Klee has said has planned out mostly, along with Jason has been backing up some things.
ngl, I'm tired of repeating myself to people who keep asking "Which is stronger" and "why should we believe x"
read the damn thread and you'll find out
Personally I lose trust in an insider when they become vague and add useless information that can easily hedge whatever way. Same with the post canceled Lockhart insiders " oh that's been canceled since dec" well why didn't anyone say anything in dec?
Did someone say 2019????
Reading my mind.....looking back on all the OT to now its been wild.
Reading my mind.....looking back on all the OT to now its been wild.
I like this a lotI made another PS5 concept. This one seems better I think. Still has the V shape.
"a bit more than 12 RDNA TFLOPS" which is what we have heard about the SX, is like 16-17 GCN TFLOPS, maybe even more. I wouldn't be surprised if Phil just said it's 3x faster than XBX at that point, this is why there is still speculation.
Then we need to lose trust in Tom, Brad, and a few others. They are insiders, they have sources. Maybe the sources hid it from them because it's too important to leak.
This happens.
and good now I'm having PTSD flashbacks of this season's transfer window for Manchester United.
(It was a joke in the first sentence by the way, they were just told something else)
You hit the nail on the head. Confirmation bias 101 here, a lot of people will only seek out info that confirms Xbox is better point blank, and don't want to hear otherwise.
or they'll do mental gymnastics "but why should I believe x"
like cmon folks, almost everyone agrees they will be very similar. Very frustrating that people don't read this thread
None of them said they knew since december , then came out after the fact to say no duh I knew that but didn't bring it up. All of them provided fluid open info that can change
The acoustic surface TV's were pretty innovative. Sounds great too
When they utilize the nostradamus playbook of..... make a ton of insanely vague predictions(masked as insider info) and all along the way hedge at every chance you get all under the assumption that (and likely so) nobody will go back to take the time to hold said person accountable for all their predictions(insider info).
From what I know even Tom Warren said that it COULD be subject to change. Reminded people of a Windows tablet that was cancelled week(s) before being released. Did Klobrille or anyone else said that they know it was still in MS' plans but just didnt tell us?
I made another PS5 concept. This one seems better I think. Still has the V shape.
I would like it to have that design. Pretty classy.
But the PS logo has to be in colour
Thanks! Here's how the back looks. Not sure my port placement makes sense though.
I don't see any reason why PS Now won't be on a huge variety of devices in the not too distant future. We should expect it on console, PC, Android, iOS, TVs, Blu-ray players and other misc devices eventually. The Azure move will afford them the infrastructure to expand to a wide variety of devices and a far higher volume of users.
As for Samsung, PS Now was previously on Samsung TVs, I see no reason why they couldn't negotiate to put it back there once their expansion is complete.
Sony will also be able to toss in a free trial of the service whenever they sell a TV, Blu-ray player or phone so that's a potential way to market to millions more people.
Competition got better in the hardware business. Korean companies, Chinese companies and at home, Toshiba and this is something that affected a lot of players in Europe and in the US.
Who said that both have hardware accelerated ray tracing when people were here debating how Mark Cerny did not disclose it? It was clear, concise, straight to the point by Matt, and all the silly squabbling stopped, then moved to something else.
Who disclosed that Microsoft was acquiring Playground Games on Reddit? Clear concise, straight to the point. And then a really easy hint about Obsidian that was followed by numerous debate as to how they were a shell of the company. This was Klobrille. This information was then follwed up by Shreier who was the first journalist to put his neck on the line.
Who came in and gave solid hints about ambitions of Microsoft to have the better performing next gen console? My man was hounded out of this place even after he talked about some of the tech that was to be used in these consoles. This was hmqgg.
Brad Sams and Tom Warren..........no need to talk about this.
If you have something to say based on the power of the consoles, come out with the information or hold your peace. This is why I also love Shreier and Zhuge: and to Shreier's benefit, he stated that he is not technically good to know how different things interact and how they apply to power.
All this I know this, but wont say it just never lies well with me. And that is a very personal view point. Same reason I really didn't like what Komachi was posting either.
There is something that these have, a reputation. It takes balls to come out talking about information that is not in the wild, and having the balls to say that I know this is the case.
What on earth are you talking about?
I have no problem with him, or any insider for that matter. I think he is a gentleman, always debates in good faith. I am simply of the opinion that if you have something you want to share, then be clear about it. If it is numbers, post them.......simple. That is a personal taste, and I have stated so.
If you are not in a position to do so because they could compromise your source, then shut the hell up until such a time when you are in position to share that information.
Maybe I have been in a position where I follow some of the best journalists when it comes to sports, or investigative journalism.
Wow you're transparent. Join Anthony Hopkins and the rest.
I'm pretty jazzed by the idea that next gen should be comparable to my current PC rig.
I have an RTX 2070, and upgrading my living room device to something on-par with that for only $500 seems like such a solid investment. Also, that small form factor is mighty impressive. I can't stop thinking about the Series X over here.
I have an RTX 2070, and upgrading my living room device to something on-par with that for only $500 seems like such a solid investment. Also, that small form factor is mighty impressive. I can't stop thinking about the Series X over here.
Another thing - if AMD can just add more compute units at lower clocks to reach higher performance, why did they have nothing to compete with high-end nvidia gpu's last time? They literally had nothing, Nvidia was the only choice for the most expensive (profitable) parts.
RDNA 2.0 needs to be magic sauce or these consoles are going to break the sound barrier.
RDNA 2.0 needs to be magic sauce or these consoles are going to break the sound barrier.
I like this mockup.Thanks! Here's how the back looks.
Would this work with the V design of the dev kit? MS has me expecting larger consoles now.
I actually don't think Tom Warren is an insider. I think MS "leaks" stuff through him. Dude was invited this year to tour MS's new office lmao
Thanks! Here's how the back looks. Not sure my port placement makes sense though.
Incredible work on these renders. All done in Photoshop?
I'm discussing the ORIGINAL cancellation where we had a thread full of people stating that lockhart was cancelled 6 months before Tom Warren discover so. If everyone knew why didn't they say? I find that corny
This is so weak. This thread has somehow gotten more dumb and less entertaining as more information comes out.
I don't think Panos Panay wanting to rip his head off during an interview says that at all. He's a senior editor at a large tech website where he's the lead MS writer. He does get some exclusive looks at things and writes up articles for that kind of stuff but he has also developed a nice book on contacts throughout MS that he's able to tap to learn all kinds of things that MS isn't planning on making public for a while.
It is a bit odd they don't seem to have anything on the horizon, we have good leaks about Ampere & the Super 2080 Ti, but all quiet on the AMD front. You would think they could rush out a 64 CU RDNA & compete with the 2080 Ti.
Think it was only Matt and Zhuge that said it was cancelled long ago? I can't remember about anyone else not being caught by surprise during E3.
Why .
Getting hints about certain things better than reading a thread that has been wrong about almost every single fucking thing and telling people there wrong .
I can't wait for the thread to get split so we don't have this nonsense .
But most of the arguing in here has been about MS' numbers? Not even mentioning Sony?
I read some rumors on news sites that AMD are to talk about RDNA 2.0 in Januaray at CES!
It is what I like. A personal taste. I posted my opinion, and not the first time I have had this opinion in this forum.
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