Klobrille? Colbert? I just checked both them have less than 20 post in this thread the last 3 weeks combined. Not sure why you're fixated with the vocal minority, when the large majority of this thread has been overwhelming optimistic. A large majority of the discussion surrounding this thread for the ps5 has been 13tf, 24gddr, hbm2, 5gbps ssd etc.Have you seen Colbert's chart? Have you seen Klobrille's drive by posts? Have you seen the over arching theory that PlayStation is consigned to 2018 technology because they foolishly started earlier?
The reveal event will be dedicated, not hosted in another one like MS did (for good reasons).Temper you enthusiasm. I've watched every Sony CES for the past 5 years and they are almost always about the updates to things like cameras, soundbars, televisions, etc. There is a passing mention of PlayStation and Sony pictures.
Yeah. Also take the comments from Ryan into account, paraphrase "we're gonna move people to PS5 faster than any other generation shift." How will that ever happen if the console is $499 at launch? It's so close to a reveal, yet way too far ahead in the future. This is making me go crazy.
It's most likely that both of them are using RDNA architecture GPUs with features ported from RDNA2.Can someone explain exactly RDNA2 likelihood in next-gen consoles? Isn't it too late to implement into something thats going to be large-scale manufactured shortly?
Okay that makes more sense. And we definitely don't have any inkling of what said features would be right? Not sure if theres been any specific talks regarding features from RDNA2 that will be present for the next gen consoles.It's most likely that both of them are using RDNA architecture GPUs with features ported from RDNA2.
Exactly im not fond of lockhart and downgrades..The problem of Lockhart, at least for third party devs, will be the rumored 12GB of memory instead of 16GB (respectively 9GB and 13GB for games). You can always reduce framerate and resolution with less CPU and less GPU (assuming both will have the same features).
But if devs don't have enough ram on Lockhart compared to Anaconda then they will reduce the details in order to their game run on both machines. Sure MS first party will optimize stuff, probably, but most third party devs won't.
I believe some of them already complained specifically about the memory pool size of Lockhart.
I am pretty sure that it will.Honestly, I still worry Lockhart could handicap the ambition and scope of next generation multiplatform games.
Ray Tracing.Okay that makes more sense. And we definitely don't have any inkling of what said features would be right? Not sure if theres been any specific talks regarding features from RDNA2 that will be present for the next gen consoles.
What I meant was people are arguing that the XSX is weaker in GPU, RAM and SSD and theres not much room for a good, clean conversation in a certain opposite direction
Gonzalo is the APU, it has both the CPU and the GPU dataStill racking my mind over what Gonzalo and Flute is. I know it's not an IO die, because Ariel is most likely monolithic from the PCI ID.
God knows about Oberon. There's an easy to follow timeline though...
January 2019 - Tum_Apisak leaks out the 1ghz Gonzalo
10th April 2019 - Tum_Apisak leaks out the 1.8Ghz Gonzalo
16th April 2019 - Wired article on the PS5 came out. We suspect because devkits are starting to come out.
June to August 2019 - A leaker starts to feed info to Gizmodo about a devkit called Prospero
July 2019 - Tum_Apisak leaks out thst Gonzalo managed 20000 in the firestrike benchmark
August 2019 - Komachi leaks out Oberon's clocks... that is in its A0 silicon revision (and it still kept getting tested and revised for 2 months or so)
Variable-rate shading and ray tracing.Okay that makes more sense. And we definitely don't have any inkling of what said features would be right? Not sure if theres been any specific talks regarding features from RDNA2 that will be present for the next gen consoles.
I'm totally with you on this.I think most people on the Sony camp are not talking about the Series X at all, but focused on the PS5.
As I said, we already know the Series X is 12TF RDNA, 16GB GDDR6, and 1TB SSD at 2GB/s, so what's to talk about it really, special from the point of view of someone interested on a PS5? I don't see too much of that.
What I see is people like Drift talking about the possibility of an HBM RAM solution for the PS5, Chris talking about a possible 1TB SSD at 5-6GB/s (or more), Aegon convinced it can reach 13-14TF, and some mix of those.
I'm on the 11.2TF-12.9TF, 5GB/s SSD, and maybe HMB2, maybe not. I think most people is on that camp.
Certainly not talking about the Series X being weaker, I think both will be virtually the same power, with PS5 having the faster SSD (which is what they've been focusing on on their PR).
I just wanna see the PS5 and it's specs, because it's the sku that me and all my friends will buy next gen, and specially the launch next gen exclusives
See i thought that too, but it's unclear. Especially when you check the PCI ID and it losts out everything that an APU should have as Ariel. https://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/1022
I think most people on the Sony camp are not talking about the Series X at all, but focused on the PS5.
As I said, we already know the Series X is 12TF RDNA, 16GB GDDR6, and 1TB SSD at 2GB/s, so what's to talk about it really, special from the point of view of someone interested on a PS5? I don't see too much of that.
What I see is people like Drift talking about the possibility of an HBM RAM solution for the PS5, Chris talking about a possible 1TB SSD at 5-6GB/s (or more), Aegon convinced it can reach 13-14TF, and some mix of those.
I'm on the 11.2TF-12.9TF, 5GB/s SSD, and maybe HMB2, maybe not. I think most people is on that camp.
Certainly not talking about the Series X being weaker, I think both will be virtually the same power, with PS5 having the faster SSD (which is what they've been focusing on on their PR).
I just wanna see the PS5 and it's specs, because it's the sku that me and all my friends will buy next gen, and specially the launch next gen exclusives
Amen. Even if the PS5 ends up at 7 TF for $399 I'm still getting it because I like Sony's first party games.
It's fun to speculate though.
I also struggle to understand how someone so intimately connected to the industry can be so passive about advances in technology or amazing engineering techniques. Colbert would fit right in i.e. there doesn't seem to be an appetite from either party for powerful console hardware. This generation was a bust but previous generations, especially PlayStation, hadn't shy'd away from exotic architectures or unique engineering techniques.Only two minutes in and this is already frustrating to watch. Its good to see Richard admit he was completely off with his predictions but the signs were there from the beginning. He just chose to ignore them.
Basing your entire predictions on safe $399 and $499 Kinect consoles and then using made for profit mid gen consoles is simply bizarre. Especially after the first wired article which revealed an advanced console that simply couldn't be $399.... In bom, let alone retail cost.
At least he's admitting he got it wrong but he spent the last 8 months downplaying next gen specs when as the biggest tech journo in the industry he simply should've known better.
12TF RDNA will exceed 2080. 13-14TF PS4 will compete with 2080 super/2080 TI
From what I understand the consensus is both next-generation consoles will be very close so I find it disturbing how Colbert suggests PlayStation 5 will be relatively under-powered. Any particular reason he views the range for PlayStation 5 so low when Microsoft can achieve higher results?
Well, I do think they chose Wired because they thought they can reach more people that way. Perhaps they'll change the format for the unveil aswell. (an unveil at CES is unlikely though.)Are we thinking that the PS5 reveal will have the same format as the PS Meeting in 2013? I would hope so, but I could also see Sony trying something different.
A digital only console?Lockhart is necessary for the market to grow next gen.
Ask any casual if they'd drop £450 on a console and most would prefer to hold off buying until 1-3 years later. That's how it has been with everyone i've mentioned it to, i'd rather it didn't exist but it's needed.
It's confirmed to have one...I hope that PS5 has a UHD player, or do you guys think that is a low % of it happening?
Ooh really? Do you have the source or link?
7tf? Is that even a generational jump? I'll wait for a price drop or a pro version.Amen. Even if the PS5 ends up at 7 TF for $399 I'm still getting it because I like Sony's first party games.
It's fun to speculate though.
DF mentioned it in their last vid. I'd assume that's the reason.
Yepp , UHD disc playback. :)I think he means movie playback. I think it probably will but wouldn't be shocked if it didn't.
Thx for your response. Found out meanwhile myself.DF mentioned it in their last vid. I'd assume that's the reason.
Take his word for it. Cerny told us 100Gb br disks. Those are only used for UHD BR content and require a 4k player. Unless of course we think they'd disable UHD media playback for some reason.
sounds like their 360 audio thing and the next step for it
Doesn't temper my hope for PS5 news at least.
Yeah it would be weird if it was disabled.Take his word for it. Cerny told us 100Gb br disks. Those are only used for UHD BR content and require a 4k player. Unless of course we think they'd disable UHD media playback for some reason.
Either way, physical games for the PS5 will use 100-GB optical disks, inserted into an optical drive that doubles as a 4K Blu-ray player.
You have the PC fans who think no console could ever match a decent gaming PC, you have the MS fans who think Sony could never make a console that can match the next Xbox, and you have the Sony fans who think MS doesn't really know what they're doing with gaming and don't really care.
The truth is (probably) that both consoles will be very evenly matched and will outdo all but the best gaming PCs at release all things considered (but PCs will catch up and speed past quickly if you've got the cash to spare). Gonna be a great time to be a console gamer!
Like DF threads will be "boring" next generation. The differences will come in the form of shadow resolutions, LOD far in the distance and other shit 95% of people don't notice.
I think most people on the Sony camp are not talking about the Series X at all, but focused on the PS5.
As I said, we already know the Series X is 12TF RDNA, 16GB GDDR6, and 1TB SSD at 2GB/s, so what's to talk about it really, special from the point of view of someone interested on a PS5? I don't see too much of that.
What I see is people like Drift talking about the possibility of an HBM RAM solution for the PS5, Chris talking about a possible 1TB SSD at 5-6GB/s (or more), Aegon convinced it can reach 13-14TF, and some mix of those.
I'm on the 11.2TF-12.9TF, 5GB/s SSD, and maybe HMB2, maybe not. I think most people is on that camp.
Certainly not talking about the Series X being weaker, I think both will be virtually the same power, with PS5 having the faster SSD (which is what they've been focusing on on their PR).
I just wanna see the PS5 and it's specs, because it's the sku that me and all my friends will buy next gen, and specially the launch next gen exclusives
Thanks! Rising interest for PS5 :)Exclusive: A Deeper Look at the PlayStation 5
Now that the name is official, we've got more details about Sony's next-gen console—from the haptics-packed controller to UI improvements.www.wired.com
DF threads will still be good if you looking for tech \engine breaks down and looking for the new stuff next gen going to bring .
If you look for the VS aspects yeah i guess it will be boring to some.
You don't really believe this do you? Sony fanboys are being great citizens sitting around with their legs crossed engaged in adult conversation while their XBOX brethren just foam at the mouth like unwashed savages LOL 😂
Fanboys from both sides are spinning tall tales about their console.
I think people are just frothing at the mouth for leaks period.........like me......
Fact. I've moved on to dying to see gameplay stage. I'm convinced both consoles will be awesome.
Exclusive: A Deeper Look at the PlayStation 5
Now that the name is official, we've got more details about Sony's next-gen console—from the haptics-packed controller to UI improvements.www.wired.com
?? Lockhart isn't digital only?