If your r&d project started before the technology was available it absolutely sounds plausible.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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Yeah, if that poster read all those post and broke it down to just that, then I'm sure they already had their answer in mind.
We have AMD test leaks of Oberon/Ariel. Are you saying they're falsifications? If so I guess these months of speculation with those codenames, firestrike scores etc, was for nothing. I mean you could be right for sure. I lean towards Occam's Razor.
It could be "targeting" 12TF RDNA and fall back on 11TF. There is roughly a 15% difference between 9.2TF and 10.8TF, it just seems larger because one is double digits.
Because like just before the current gen, some are in denial of a probable and feared outcome so they prefer believe in pastebin and random tweeters than (ex) professionnal journalists, known and reliable for years insiders, or hardware designers.
Hardware ray tracing IS ray tracing acceleration. Especially when you consider how RDNA2 does it.
It can be that because it's in the GPU it self.
Having a co-processors is not in the GPU.
For like the tenth time, Cerny was pretty damn clear: "There is ray-tracing acceleration in the GPU hardware,"
IN THE GPU HARDWARE.
It's not off-die.
lol, you're really reaching there bud and it's not a good look to be honest.
1. Cerny confirmed hardware raytracing built into the GPU. If you believe otherwise you're calling him a liar
2. Insiders like Matt and Klee have confirmed RT hardware
3. Godfall shows evidence of RT based on the small GIF we've got and the in-engine teaser
4. Other Sony devs like Polyphony have been working on RT for years now. It makes absolutely no sense for them to be doing that if there's no hardware that will support it.
5. After the first Wired article a Naughty Dog dev proclaimed it was hardware raytracing on Twitter before having to quickly walk that statement back because that was not information Sony had publicly discussed yet. If any team at Sony knows about the PS5's capability it's Naughty Dog.
That's just a few points off the top of my head, I'm sure there are plenty more pieces of evidence that others could cite. So yeah, it's got hardware RT.
This is a very interesting question I've raised myself. It may very well be since our own Jason Schreier has heard it's similar in raw compute power to a PS4 Pro. Let's all be realistic for a second, a 4+ TF GPU paired with a Ryzen 8 core CPU and next-gen memory (let's say 12 GB GDDR6) would result in a fantastic 1080p/60fps machine. Price it at $299 and your average consumer would have a great (and affordable) entry point into next-gen.
This is speculation,facts are irrefutable, I'm iffy on what this all means but to claim that this is a fact is just incorrect
I hope the eventual PS5 is back to 11-13 TF. I sincerely do. I think HBM speculation was dumb though.
Anything you can post on Arden from github? Can't seem to find these post.
X1X is sold as a 4K machine. Lockheart won't be. Lockheart buyers will be perfectly fine with non-upgraded BC games and 1080P versions of 4K XSX games. If they cared that much, they would buy an XSX.
Boom
4TF GCN aint happening. That thing won't even be able to replicate X1X performance for BC and they definitely won't run BC etc in OG Xbox One mode on a new console.
It's 12TF RDNA
4TF GCN equivalent makes a lot of sense. That will be a *tiny* APU at 7nm.... and *that* is the biggest cost in a console. $299. Holiday season 2020.
Dread it. Run from it. 4TF Xbox Series S is inevitable.
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2019/12/12/microsoft-unveils-xbox-series-x/
"Powered by our custom-designed processor leveraging the latest Zen 2 and next generation RDNA architecture from our partners at AMD, Xbox Series X will deliver hardware accelerated ray tracing and a new level of performance never before seen in a console"
The thing is going to be NAVI, no idea why they would put GCN numbers out there to people in leaks. Their goal is 12 tflop navi and the form factor is needed for all that heat.
"Powered by our custom-designed processor leveraging the latest Zen 2 and next generation RDNA architecture from our partners at AMD, Xbox Series X will deliver hardware accelerated ray tracing and a new level of performance never before seen in a console"
The thing is going to be NAVI, no idea why they would put GCN numbers out there to people in leaks. Their goal is 12 tflop navi and the form factor is needed for all that heat.
It seems like a possible outcome is that XSX has 12 GCN flops and PS5 has a little over 9 RDNA flops. That would explain why:
Insiders have said that both consoles are nearly identical in power (that wouldn't be quite the case if we were taking about 12 vs 9 RDNA flops)
MS is saying that the XSX gpu is twice as powerful as the One X gpu (if it were RDNA flops, why in the world would they undersell their next console)
I certainly want MS to be talking about RDNA flops, but I also don't want to set myself up for disappointment. I know Phil has referenced RDNA architecture, which could lead you to believe they're talking about RDNA flops, but I think they're comparing GCN apples to GCN apples because a) it sounds better than only increasing from 6 to 9-10 flops and b) it uses a known baseline.
If it were RDNA flops, I feel virtually positive that they would say it's MORE than twice as powerful than the One X gpu, which they have not, to my knowledge. Hate to be a buzzkill ...
Insiders have said that both consoles are nearly identical in power (that wouldn't be quite the case if we were taking about 12 vs 9 RDNA flops)
MS is saying that the XSX gpu is twice as powerful as the One X gpu (if it were RDNA flops, why in the world would they undersell their next console)
I certainly want MS to be talking about RDNA flops, but I also don't want to set myself up for disappointment. I know Phil has referenced RDNA architecture, which could lead you to believe they're talking about RDNA flops, but I think they're comparing GCN apples to GCN apples because a) it sounds better than only increasing from 6 to 9-10 flops and b) it uses a known baseline.
If it were RDNA flops, I feel virtually positive that they would say it's MORE than twice as powerful than the One X gpu, which they have not, to my knowledge. Hate to be a buzzkill ...
What makes 9.2TF "junk" but another 0.8TF extra suddenly "next gen"?
Honestly I don't think anyone here (including myself) knows the difference between 9TF and 10TF in real world performance and visuals, so I find it very silly that anything under 10TF is trash-tier when we've seen very impressive looking tech demos already on much less capable hardware.
The XSX being 12 TF's is all but confirmed.
DF who incorrectly started the rumors that it could be GCN TF's already published a retraction on that article and now have a new article stating that it is expected to be 12 RDNA TF's.
Game Spot who interviewed Phil Spencer have XSX listed as 12 TF's.
Windows Central who have real MS insiders has it listed at 12 RDNA TF's
Tom Warren another insider has it as 12 RDNA TF's.
Phil Spencer stated when using Math the GPU is 2 times the XB1X.
The only math you can use is TF's and that is what MS used when hyping XB1X. 6 x 2 = 12 TF's people can't change the rules and say its equal to GCN TF's. That would be an out right blatant lie. TFs are TF's.
The rumors for XSX possibly being RDNA2 stem from the fact MS has stated it has hardware Ray Tracing and VRS. Both features that are exclusive to RDNA2 hardware as far as AMD is concerned.
People just can't accept that MS have most likely hit a home run with the XSX hardware.
What I meant by 'junk' is that Sony will give up almost 3TF to XsX? I don't think so.
I firmly believe that it will. I think it would be super odd if it didnt.
Pretty much.
Far too much thinly veiled console warring going on. I'm sure it'll calm down over the next day or two... hopefully.
This is pretty much whwew I'm at. But personally even if it's GCN hell blade looks great regardless.
People are ridiculous. Flops are flops. The RDNA architecture is 1.25x more efficient but that doesn't change how flops are calculated. It's Navi 12TF, by the numbers if you do the math as Phil said, twice as powerful as X1X, but will perform more than we are used to with that number due to the efficiency of the new architecture.
and of course, Phil retweeting and saying DF does good work to their article where they confirm their sources say 12TF Navi too. Hasn't Klee confirmed it too? Jeez.
and of course, Phil retweeting and saying DF does good work to their article where they confirm their sources say 12TF Navi too. Hasn't Klee confirmed it too? Jeez.
But he said IN THE GPU hardware which have been pointed out to you and many other repeatedly over and over but you somehow seem to ignore this. Reading your post history and especially in this thread shows why that is.
I'd say fairly serious given how many holes people are suddenly seeing in Cerny's "hardware ray-tracing" quote.
You sound angry, but at this stage I'm beyond just believing what any person on a forum says unless they can back up what they're saying. This data mining of the driver information is the most hard and specific information we've gotten to this point on PS5. I've said already I hope it's old. But we went from entertaining PS5 at 13-14TFLOPS with HBM up to 24GB to now all of a sudden many accepting that 9.2 would be fine (not everybody though) and suddenly now the seemingly many times confirmed 12TFLOPS RDNA on Xbox Series X now can't possibly be so, xbox must be in the 8-9 teraflop range now too going by some posts.
And if turns out that Xbox Series X is not, at minimum, 12TFLOPS of RDNA, then Phil Spencer and the Xbox team deserves major criticism for clearly allowing that misleading messaging to spin out of control. But at this stage it appears confirmed in many ways, they just won't come right out and just say it yet, likely because PS5 isn't fully revealed yet.
The point is we have more hard, verified information to go on about Xbox Series X than we do on PS5 at this stage, which is what gives me hope that this information is not representative of final PS5.
Something is off about true hardware ray tracing on PS5, and even the VRS thing, maybe this may add context to why Microsoft keeps focusing on it so heavily, it seems like they know Sony really won't have hardware support for it either. Like I said, I'm just speculating based on what I see, but I believe the info posted on that twitter account from official AMD drivers.
I'm not angry, I'm just point out the obvious, you're making shit up.
There is nothing to believe.
Cerny who is making the PS5 says it has it in the GPU.
The fact that some people saying it might have it but different make no sense.
Then the logical conclusion, if both consoles are priced the same with similar BOM, is that Scarlett simply isn't 12TF RDNA. It wouldn't have to be to meet "double the performance of XB1X anyway.
Mind you I'm not saying I believe any spec or number out there right now for either console.
Dude, you are talking to fanboys. Most of the people here don't understand shit about tech, so don't try too much.
Only on this website I see people picking up TFlops in another architecture.
Right now I will believe they are stating 12 TF Turing.
People believe what they want to believe. Reason is something you will not find much around here.
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