They use the same tech. MS should priced the X series very high to send a significant upgrade over the ps5. It won't happens. They already said the next Xbox it is he most powerful xbox but not the most powerful console.
They use the same tech. MS should priced the X series very high to send a significant upgrade over the ps5. It won't happens. They already said the next Xbox it is he most powerful xbox but not the most powerful console.
I think most are getting it out early a few are still at the beginning stages. At the end of the day 9.2.tfs zen 2 for 399-449 is a good piece of hardware
The thirst is real...now,where are those PS Meeting invitations?? ;)This |OT| started December 13th 8pm. we are just 14 days later ...
I'm laughing at the absolute belief that there is no way Microsoft would be able to put out more powerful hardware.
For what it's worth, I do think the PS5 will be more powerful, but the idea that Microsoft, of all the companies that exist in the world, can't put out hardware more powerful than Sony's no matter what, is absurdly funny to me.
They use the same tech. MS should priced the X series very high to send a significant upgrade over the ps5. It won't happens. They already said the next Xbox it is he most powerful xbox but not the most powerful console.
This |OT| started December 13th 8pm. we are just 14 days later ...
nowhere did they explicitly state that it is "not the most powerful console". no one knows that yetThey use the same tech. MS should priced the X series very high to send a significant upgrade over the ps5. It won't happens. They already said the next Xbox it is he most powerful xbox but not the most powerful console.
399 is out of the reality.
That's the point. If MS stay quiet means they can't bet anymore about it. Straight and simple.nowhere did they explicitly state that it is "not the most powerful console". no one knows that yet
I thought they said it's there most powerful console yet not the world. Wouldn't that be hubris?They use the same tech. MS should priced the X series very high to send a significant upgrade over the ps5. It won't happens. They already said the next Xbox will be the most powerful console on the market.
So you think they're both going to be $599?
That's the point. If MS stay quiet means they can't bet anymore about it. Straight and simple.
I'm laughing at the absolute belief that there is no way Microsoft would be able to put out more powerful hardware.
For what it's worth, I do think the PS5 will be more powerful, but the idea that Microsoft, of all the companies that exist in the world, can't put out hardware more powerful than Sony's no matter what, is absurdly funny to me.
It's no matter to believe. Jesus Christ. Both machines will be equally powerful because they use the same tech. One should cost much more to outshine the other. Now the only concrete rumours was about a ps5 ahead. That's why it's hard to believe the Xbox will be ahead. We never heard anything of reliable about it. If no one would say a shit about it, I would have bet to the parity.I was joking because he implied that PS5 NEEDS TO AT LEAST MATCH Xbox. Why? In his world xbox cannot be more powerful.
See? People believe in what they want to believe.
In 2 months we'll know everything.Are previous leaks from insiders valid? PS5 is 10% more powerful, double digit TF.......
Would someone tell me to understand?
It's no matter to believe. Jesus Christ. Both machines will be equally powerful because they use the same tech. One should cost much more to outshine the other. Now the only concrete rumours was about a ps5 ahead. That's why it's hard to believe the Xbox will be ahead. We never heard anything about it. If no one would say a shit about it, I would have bet to the parity.
Are previous leaks from insiders valid? PS5 is 10% more powerful, double digit TF.......
Would someone tell me to understand?
Not sure about 10% more powerful, but I wouldnt worry.Are previous leaks from insiders valid? PS5 is 10% more powerful, double digit TF.......
Would someone tell me to understand?
As a refresher
Can somebody explain what these patents from Mark Cerny are describing? Sounds a bit like vrs to me:
And one from Tobias Berghoff
The same mod makes jokes about permabanning people but bans people for "console war" gifs.
And this person is a reliable source, differently to you.I can start the rumor if you want. Because there's only one person claiming that.
You have got to be kidding me...That's the point. If MS stay quiet means they can't bet anymore about it. Straight and simple.
Are those buttons on the bottom? <holds PS4 controller>. Seems like very odd placement...
Let's put the thing in this way: they obsessed us with chats about the most power hardware ever made for 2 years. Now the only reliable rumours about it seems put ahead the ps5. MS this time stay silent. I come to only one conclusion. Of course I'm not expecting crazy difference in raw power but seems clearly this time things are different.You have got to be kidding me...
Silence doesn't always mean what you think it means.
Why do we assume he knows anything?For what it's worth in Benji's latest video he mentioned he doesn't really follow the next gen speculation scene much anymore, but if we go back to when he was closely following it he says a 9 TF PS5 does not line up with what he was hearing back then.
If you have why you missed time with me indeed show to the mods your sources to talk about it? Would be the first thing concrete about the X series ahead the ps5.
Isn't he the guy who was pump faking last e3? Overall I thinking people are jumping the gun just wait I still think both will be very close don't matter which is more powerful to me long as the content is good.
This doesn't make sense. Historically he always used the most recent tech. More recent than what Xbox used for both PS4 (class 78XX GPU with more async compute instead of XB1 77XX GPU) and Pro (featuring Vega tech while MS used Polaris for XBX which released one year after Pro).Cerny cooking his own RT chip and VRS tech while using AMD APU based on RDNA1 to save some money. I dunno why but this appeals to me...
Like i was told in this thread this might be more expensive and less efficient than using all included AMD RDNA2 but it just feels like what Sony would do.
If RT chip is manufactured by Sony and soldered close to APU and their connection has enough bandwidth then that might be doable... something like when you can use second GPU to speed up Physx calculations while main GPU is working on rasterization.
9.2TF + dedicated RT chip as a hybrid RT solution from Sony vs 12TF RDNA2 all-in-one from MS
... and such configurations might perform similarly, so that's why we are getting conflicting reports that systems have about the same power but flops do not match.
Because more accurate, detailed information came out and people are twisting themselves into pretzels to explain it away rather than simply assume it's old and dated.
Listen Matt, all you need are eyes. You've never seen blatant, outright disrespect for Xbox execs and employees at a level you don't ordinarily see for Sony execs on both this forum and the previous one? It seems the mere suggestion has struck a nerve, but I'm just keeping it real with you if nobody else is willing to. And if you're being honest with yourself, you know full well it's not a made up conspiracy theory. It's the reality of the situation we are in at this very moment. My opinion, feel free to think as you like.
True, but what if current AMD RT solution is poo and his approach is better? Then there is no point to pay more for RDNA2, just enhance RDNA1 with your own tech.This doesn't make sense. Historically he always used the most recent tech. More recent than what Xbox used for both PS4 (class 78XX GPU with more async compute instead of XB1 77XX GPU) and Pro (featuring Vega tech while MS used Polaris for XBX which released one year after Pro).
Maybe they don't know Sony's final specs either? In a situation like this simply saying "We're aiming to be the best, most powerful" is as good of a statement as you're going to get.Let's put the thing in this way: they obsessed us with chats about the most power hardware ever made for 2 years. Now the only reliable rumours about it seems put ahead the ps5. MS this time stay silent. I come to only one conclusion. Of course I'm not expecting crazy difference in raw power but seems clearly this time things are different.
I don't think that ps5 has a seperate chip solution but it will certainly have inhouse developed features incorporated to the main soc.Cerny cooking his own RT chip and VRS tech while using AMD APU based on RDNA1 to save some money. I dunno why but this appeals to me...
Like i was told in this thread this might be more expensive and less efficient than using all included AMD RDNA2 but it just feels like what Sony would do.
If RT chip is manufactured by Sony and soldered close to APU and their connection has enough bandwidth then that might be doable... something like when you can use second GPU to speed up Physx calculations while main GPU is working on rasterization.
9.2TF + dedicated RT chip as a hybrid RT solution from Sony vs 12TF RDNA2 all-in-one from MS
... and such configurations might perform similarly, so that's why we are getting conflicting reports that systems have about the same power but flops do not match.
Nice! Enjoying some chicken while I browse this thread lol.
It's more or less that unless sony has some expensive cooling tech, I cant see 2 Ghz RDNA1 APU being on a console.True, but what if current AMD RT solution is poo and his approach is better? Then there is no point to pay more for RDNA2, just enhance RDNA1 with your own tech.
Pure speculation of course.