You're accusing him of being a liar?!
If you are, then please say it clearly.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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If you are, then please say it clearly.
Why exactly? I don't see how that list changes anything. Just to be completely honest, I have all of this leaked data sitting in front of me right now (it's not exactly hard to get), so just to go over some of the points:
- This info is not datamined from drivers.
- It is not related to devkits
- It is not complete so I wouldn't read into "missing features." It's not a spec sheet
- It is dated June/July and is the same source for info "leaked" around that time
What lol? First of all Matt never said the difference is 15%
That is why there will be series x and s. Ps5 also possible will be 499 with 12 TF. you are covered don't worry.
what I replied is 399 for 9tf is a good deal for next-gen with CPU and SSD upgrade compare to current pro and x. people were downplaying like it is weakest for the price.
In the end, it all matters how sony sees the market if they think 399 works great and market like it, they will push towards that. most people here pro gamers so opinion from here is not equal to the mass market.
Mate, can you please stop using larger fonts to make your points? It's obnoxious.
No way. My comment is not going in that direction, I am just talking about the information we have outside at the moment.
that would basically be a Megaton
especially if they somehow found a way to have people use their UMDs or whatever lol and somehow Sony worked their asses off to get every thirdparty to cooperate in allowing said game to be playable for people who already own the copy be it digitally or physically
and the PS3 architecture, etc...
basically so many things would have to be tackled that just completing all of said tasks and making it happen should be applauded by effort alone
which means it will never actually happen as we don't live in such an optimistic ideal case scenario
The information which speaks of a GPU without RT, which PS5 GPU is confirmed to have.
There are missing pieces here and y'all need to chill, acting like 9TF GPU is confirmed, when multiple reliable sources have said PS5 is close and has double-digit FLOPS.
That's my point. This information is of course factual, but when comparing it to the information we were getting around that time, it doesn't add up. Which is why I believe it's not something we should put too much stock into especially with the full unveiling around the corner (if you believe Klee).
Looks weird tbhNew buttons on the DS5:
Via https://nl.letsgodigital.org/spelcomputers-games/sony-playstation-5-wireless-dualshock-update/
A huge "change" is that PS5 GPU is confirmed to have RT accelerators incorporated into the GPU. The datamined GPU does not. No one knows precisely what Oberon/Ariel are, we just have educated guesses at this point.
What we can say for sure is that the Playstation 5 console being released in holiday 2020 will differ significantly, in at least the one way listed above.
Man this rumored computational gap is driving this thread mad. Honestly, both PS5 and XSX seem to be giant leaps from the current generation, so we shouldn't worry about anemic hardware.
The final controller is probably not going to look like this.
No one has denied _rogame, I always keep the latest information. If I didn't keep thinking Lockhart is dead.
Im surprised people are now saying Oberon/Ariel isn't PS5, even DF seemed to think it was & that famous 2Ghz number gets thrown around constantly even when talking about a bigger GPU.
It's funny because people were bragging how amazing that PS5 leak was just a few months ago, 2070 performance for $400-500, which is admittedly great, now there is damage control to say it's actually under powered & can't be the PS5.
Probably just gonna wait until the ps5 pro comes which is going to be the real ps5 for me lol. it seems that maybe klee has outdated spec sheet who knows
Probably because it lacks RT on chip? That was in the post you quoted.
That might not be completely accurate though. This leaked data is just a small sample of the (presumably) huge amount of testing being done at the time. It's perfectly possible that any RT testing just wasn't part of this particular leak.
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What is a PS5 Pro going to do to make it a "real PS5" for you?
What links Oberon/Ariel to PS5 besides educated guesses and APISAK? It might be the 2019 chip, but as of right now, everything - inclduing the weired article with Cerny - point into a different direction than the tweets. Ironically, the WCCFTECH article from Usman seems to be the most accurate source for AMD inside infos.
Im aware, but Sony could have their own RT/VSR solution, because MS are implying, if not out right stating they have their own solutions too, RDNA 2.0 on Desktop might be unique.
Well it's true, how did we go from Oberon being a monster to being under powered?
Not saying that it isn't related to PS5. What I'm saying is that the datamined GPU we've been discussing lacks a key feature consistent with the PS5 GPU Sony has confirmed to be present IN the PS5 GPU.
Oberon/Ariel could an old 2019-release APU, it could be something for Azure cloud, it could be basic hardware being given to devs as a placeholder.
I also find discussion about 2GHz interesting, because the people who were touting 8TF said 2GHz was impossible for a console. What changed?
Mate, can you please stop trying to tell me how to make my points on a forum? It's obnoxious.
PS5 is confirmed to have RT IN the GPU, not as a discrete co-processor (check 2nd Cerny interview from wired). That change would render an APU as non-Navi10. The datamined chip is shown to be Navi10, which does not have RT hardware IN the GPU.
Even if the memory bus changes (see Navi 12 with HBM), the gpu id changes.
Yea, thanks. He said that he'd consider a 15% difference to be very close, not that there is a 15% difference.
Wait, really? Do you think that's because Visual Concepts now has to split their time between developing the WWE games and NBA games?
You're not above anyone on this forum, we are equals. Please refrain from using text in such a way as to infer that your points are more important.
Yep, people need to stop putting words into people's mouths.
It seem that patent is just for a interchange data with a coprocessor it had nothing to do with RT.
having the actual specs that i wanted that actually made excited for this gen, double digit tflops, high amounts of ram etc. What got me hyped this gen is to see both ms and sony go all out and not compromise thanks to the available to tech. I mainly play on playstation, so it sad to see sony compromise and go for the afforable route again.
Your assumption is that people believed Oberon was the actual PS5 devkit name when we had Prospero confirmed for months, but I digress. The real question you should ask is how did we go from PS5 can barely hit 8TF and can't do 2.0Ghz in speed without a heavy heating issue to now 9TF and 2.0Ghz is fine on 36CUs?
In that interview Cerny talked about audio ray tracing, different ballpark.
That's not what im talking about, people have been sharing that 20k+ fire strike score from "PS5" for a while & DF even did a video on it, i just find it a bit funny some people think that is now under powered when if Sony can release that for $399, it would be insane value.
That was during the first interview.
Next playstation console is called PlayStation 5, releasing holiday 2020 and supports ray tracing at hardware level
About UI and game installation: On the controller: From PS Blog: Bluepoint are working on a PS5 title: Laura Miele, chief studio officer for EA comment: https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-playstation-5/
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Holy balls, people need to READ PROPERLY. Read the threadsmarks, read up...
Exclusive: A Deeper Look at the PlayStation 5
Now that the name is official, we've got more details about Sony's next-gen console—from the haptics-packed controller to UI improvements.
And yet people here and on Twitter swear he was lying.That was during the first interview.
Next playstation console is called PlayStation 5, releasing holiday 2020 and supports ray tracing at hardware level
About UI and game installation: On the controller: From PS Blog: Bluepoint are working on a PS5 title: Laura Miele, chief studio officer for EA comment: https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-playstation-5/
That was the first interview. The second interview he clearly states that RT is hardware accelerated and is more focused on the visual implementations of it.
The context of him saying that was answering this question " I trust what you say, so I want to ask if when you said the consoles are "very close" in power did you mean like a 2 teraflop difference or less? " His response " I would consider ~15% difference or less to be very close, depending on other factors of course."
This thread is wild and I can barely keep up.
From what I see there's 2 likely scenarios..
1. PS5 and Series X are both ~9TF RDNA with Series X probably having a slight power advantage.
2. PS5 and Series X are both ~12TF RDNA with PS5 having a slight power advantage.
What is exceedingly unlikely is one is 9TF and the other is 12..that goes against pretty much every single power comparison rumor leak over the past year..unless some super secret last minute dramatic hardware revisions were made.
From what I see there's 2 likely scenarios..
1. PS5 and Series X are both ~9TF RDNA with Series X probably having a slight power advantage.
2. PS5 and Series X are both ~12TF RDNA with PS5 having a slight power advantage.
What is exceedingly unlikely is one is 9TF and the other is 12..that goes against pretty much every single power comparison rumor leak over the past year..unless some super secret last minute dramatic hardware revisions were made.
I mean I have them on ignore now, but senjutsusage was going around earlier basically saying that Cerny was lying and that the info from Rogame was more trustworthy than him at this point. That's almost delusional.
Nop that was what the writer wanted to highlight. He talked plenty with Cerny about graphics and lightning. In the 2nd article he even confirms hardware RT.
That was during the first interview.
Next playstation console is called PlayStation 5, releasing holiday 2020 and supports ray tracing at hardware level
About UI and game installation: On the controller: From PS Blog: Bluepoint are working on a PS5 title: Laura Miele, chief studio officer for EA comment: https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-playstation-5/
Ah i see, still Ariel/Oberon are suspiciously close to what PS5 needs for BC. Why it has no RT or possible RDNA 2.0 features is odd.
Because it's probably not the PS5 chip. He clearly says in the interview. " . "There is ray-tracing acceleration in the GPU hardware,"
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