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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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I think that's based on the readily available game on the platform. Some games don't appear on PC the same time as the initial release. Yeah, some can wait and work on their backlog, but some don't want to wait. Speaking for myself, I was never a PC gamer. My PC is built mainly for Music Production, so I just keep it as is.
I think that it can be in part due to the fact that some (or most) 1st/3rd party content doesn't come to PC until a year or two after release (or never?)
I think those are People that can't afford or don't know how to save $50/month for the next 11 months (no offense). I definitely can understand the ones that don't have a job, but if you're talking on here and are a gamer with a job, you can easily save. It's not like suddenly we have to come up with $599 within a month. We knew for at least two years+ next-gen was coming.
I switched to the PS4 and am pretty deep into the PS ecosystem this gen. I'll be grabbing a PS5 for exclusives regardless of specs.
However, I am considering going with Series X next gen for most gaming. It really depends on specs and price.
If they're close, I'll probably skip and wait a while - because I don't want to miss Halo Infinite.
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Hey you believe what you wanna believe,He was right about so much last gen i'm not gonna doubt what he says and he has never claimed the ps5 will be more powerful in fact he said if he guessed it would be the opposite in the end
Updated optimistic predictions for PS5 that attempts to bring all leaks + insiders together.
8 core zen 3.2+ ghz
16GB GB GDDR6, ~576GB/s 2-3GB reserved for OS
4GB DDR4, 2GB for OS, 2GB for SSD Cache
Navi GPU 40CU (all enabled), 64 ROPS at ~2.1ghz, 10.8-11 TF (> Stadia)
1 TB SSD at 4+GB/s
$499
This requires yields for the GPU to be outstanding and that PS5 is $499.
2.1ghz is 23.5% clock advantage over the Xsx,
Xsx has a 9% compute advantage and 11% BW advantage, assuming 640GB/s per my Xsx prediction.
In all non-bw and non-compute bound situations, the PS5 pulls ahead noticeably. Otherwise, Xsx has a small lead.
MS can potentially respond with 720GB/s upgrade to BW, and 1900mhz clock, resulting in 13.6TF.
Begun the upclock wars have.
I definitely encourage it.
I've used it a bit in Modern Warfare. I'm not too keen on the voice chat quality. I'm a big user of party chat, too.
Ah. Yeah personally I'm betting that Sparkman is Lockhart.
I'll definitely be changing my purchasing behavior. Last two gens were "wait for first price cut on PlayStation, ignore Xbox, get the Nintendo system if appealing." Now that I'm hooked on Game Pass I will be planning to get both XSX and PS5 this gen, both a lot closer to launch (assuming Horizon 2 is coming soon for PS5 and that MS has the kind of E3 I think they will). Not decided which one first, might just depend on launch lineup.
I appreciate Nintendo desyncing their launch schedule! Three would be a lot.
1. Pessimistic 8.7
2. Realist 9.2
3. Optimistic 10.2
Cost 399 optimist, 499 Realist
Me either. Microsoft surprised Sony with that extra powerful XsX. Sony got caught with their pants down. They delayed their 2019 release and can barely make it competitive with the XsX. It's all ogre now
Let's say for the sake of argument that XSX is $500. How low could Lockhart go realistically? Much smaller SoC (-$100), Simpler cooling (-$20) 25% less GDDR6 RAM (-$40), No UHD BR drive (-$40), half size SSD (-$50) = ~-$240??? Could we realistically end up with about $250~ for Lockhart BOM?
SPECULATION: The chip tested wasn't the PS5 chip, but was a chip intended for streaming PS4 Pro games on PS Now. Also meant to test Navi emulation of GCN. Please pop holes in my theory.
No. If Sony was targeting 2017 at some point, they likely delayed before they had a working kit.
No. If Sony was targeting 2017 at some point, they likely delayed before they had a working kit.
100% agreed, the "behind the story" on last-minute clock speed boosts are going to be very interesting...
In case you didn't notice what I meant was that the conversation is going to steer where all the noise is at. If one guy stands to your left talking, and 20 to your right yelling, who are you going to turn your attention to? It seems like we're taking this way more seriously than we should. :-)
I'd predict nothing lower than $349-$399 max. So about $1-150 difference. It is next-gen after all.
Just for fun I looked back at some last gen leaks.
We did get the near final TF number for the PS4 and XB1 (before the last minute boost) around this time too.
I would guess any chance to the PS5 number will be a clock boost ala Xb1 got so maybe it can go to 9.5 but you are talking maybe a 4-7% boost. Nothing magic. Also that depends on Sony's cooling which has never been something they did well.
We did get the near final TF number for the PS4 and XB1 (before the last minute boost) around this time too.
I would guess any chance to the PS5 number will be a clock boost ala Xb1 got so maybe it can go to 9.5 but you are talking maybe a 4-7% boost. Nothing magic. Also that depends on Sony's cooling which has never been something they did well.
Mad times...
The obvious implication is that Oberon is not reflective of 2020 PS5.
If I remember correctly from the analysis here and the original Reddit thread, the memory bandwidth listed in the testing results strongly suggested HBM on Oberon. There would be no reason to include that for such a setup.
Lmao I think it's already one. Something to do with shrek 🤷♂️
Just saw the digital foundry video explains everything, they both seem super powerful especially compared to my base PS4 and Switch (although Nintendo don't really need power for the games they make). I think the deciding factors if I go PS or Xbox will be backwards compatibility on the Ps side and piece on the Xbox side. The benefits for each which we already know are exclusives for PS and Game Pass for Xbox. Should be interesting to see hat happens over the next year or so
In the next 3 months we will look back at this moment and think;
We based the speculations since July on terrible backup excel files by an intern.
We based the speculations since July on terrible backup excel files by an intern.
I hope we haven't gone back to trying to poke holes in the validity of Matt and the insiders again.
If the PS5 and SeX are close to each other, I'll likely go with the PS5 due to PS4 BC.
If the difference between the two is significant, I'll likely go with the SeX.
If the difference between the two is significant, I'll likely go with the SeX.
FYI Navi 10 has 20/20 WGP enabled, and it retails for $399 MSRP, regularly sold for $330 now.
I don't think 40CUs instead of 36CUs in final retail PS5 is that far fetched. The yield on Navi 10 WGPs must be really good by 2020.
I don't think 40CUs instead of 36CUs in final retail PS5 is that far fetched. The yield on Navi 10 WGPs must be really good by 2020.
Lol one thing for sure. Half the thread will be happy and half will be hella disappointed by February 😂
And how he is love.
EDIT: I meant for this to be an edit of the above post, not an entirely different post.
Well didn't Uzman say that we should be looking at Navi 20 for what could be in the PS5 or did I read his tweet wrong?
Lol, yup. A lot of insiders gonna feel vindicated and be owed apologies I think.
this was posted earlier.
It shows a 10% increase in performance for almost 100% increase in power consumption. why would anyone do this, let alone a console manufacturer? 2.0 ghz let alone 2.1 ghz makes zero sense whatsoever in a console.
and all for what? to save 50mm2 in die space? how much do you think that would cost? i estimated $15-30. $15 if the fab costs are the same as they were in 2013 for 28nm. $30 if they have doubled like that amd slide shows.
arden leak shows ms is going with 56 cus like i had predicted for both consoles. to hit 12 tflops, you need 1.7 tflops. look at the efficiency setting on that chart. 1700 mhz. 110w for 40 cus . thats roughly 2.75w per cu. for 16 more cus we are looking at 44w. i know its not 1:1 like that, but you get the point. you can get a 12 tflops gpu for 154w. or a 10.24 tflops gpu at 210w.
why would you ever go for that configuration? let alone 2.1 ghz.
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And there it is. ;) Layers upon layers. Anyway, I thought it was a funny summary. Lol
this was posted earlier.
It shows a 10% increase in performance for almost 100% increase in power consumption. why would anyone do this, let alone a console manufacturer? 2.0 ghz let alone 2.1 ghz makes zero sense whatsoever in a console.
and all for what? to save 50mm2 in die space? how much do you think that would cost? i estimated $15-30. $15 is the fab costs are the same as they were in 2013 for 28nm. $30 if they have doubled like that amd slide shows.
arden leak shows ms is going with 56 cus like i had predicted for both consoles. to hit 12 tflops, you need 1.7 tflops. look at the efficiency setting on that chart. 1700 mhz. 110w for 40 cus . thats roughly 2.75w per cu. for 16 more cus we are looking at 44w. i know its not 1:1 like that, but you get the point. you can get a 12 tflops gpu for 154w. or a 10.24 tflops gpu at 210w.
why would you ever go for that configuration? let alone 2.1 ghz.
From an user test that I saw elsewhere.
The GPU only die power for ~200+W console seems to be in 1800-1950mhz. With a years time that range might be at 2000-2150 mhz.
In other words, 150W for the GPU alone in the PS5 is believable. That gets you 1950mhz in 2019. It might get you 2150mhz in 2020.
Hmm. Surely Mike knows most of the existing first party pipeline at MS given his senior position on the team until recently.
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lol, do you want it in the poll or was it just a joke?
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If MS and Sony both target the same price point(probably $499), then the power will be very similar. If Sony targets $399 and MS targets $499 then the SeriesX will be stronger. Obviously the Lockhart skew will be there to undercut Sony, which I'm expecting to be roughly between $299-$349.
Yeah seriously it REALLY could go either way.
When the best proof for RT in Oberon from the intern leak was the first tab for the regression tests for Oberon BC1;
Where it's most likely copy paste from an excel page for Arden.
There's not really any point in talking about Lockhart until they start talking about concrete price points, as that's the sole motivation for it to exist, and the only way it's going to make sense to consumers. I could see waiting until E3 to get specific about shipping dates and pricing to start the pre-order process. There's limited upside to getting that specific much earlier.
That's also the reason Sony won't feel any pressure to get out and clarify what the PS5 is and what it is not. Nobody is making any purchase decisions today, and sentiment will remain entirely fluid for months yet. When they're ready to showcase something meaningful they'll do so, and not before.
That's also the reason Sony won't feel any pressure to get out and clarify what the PS5 is and what it is not. Nobody is making any purchase decisions today, and sentiment will remain entirely fluid for months yet. When they're ready to showcase something meaningful they'll do so, and not before.
Yeah, sure! Didn't think of that but looked up your format.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT9| - TFDR
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