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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned here but it has been clarified by Microsoft their new console is simply called 'Xbox'.
20% of 12 tflops = 2.4 tflops
12 + 2.4 tflops = 14.4 tflops
you cracked the code!
i got banned for three months because i dared to disagree with some guy said that Arms looks as good as Horizon and God of War. apparently i was the fanboy. it was insane.
Glad the ban lengths have been much more reasonable here.
I personally think anything above 10tf would be amazing. What I would love to see is that the CPU if anything gets a bump in speed. CPU will key to getting better framerate and frame-times so instead of all this talk of adding more clock speed to the GPU...I wish it would be more towards the CPU. I really would like a home console that has a steady frame rate and good frame times.
You'll need to translate from Japanese. Google translate does ok.
I like to think of it as an hourglass.The sand will only go as fast as the most narrow point. In a typical silicon device you have bulk silicon, interface metal, IHS, TIM, and then heatsink. Anything you can do to reduce the effect of this worst thermal resistance in the stack goes a long way. Whether it be changing materials or thinning a part of the stack out.
When it comes to undervolting, it's a two way street. Yes, undervolting lowers your power consumption at a given frequency, but it also lowers your clock headroom because it's easier to thermal throttle due to reduced timing margin. Find a way to remove heat better and suddenly you're re-claiming some of that margin.
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The PlayStation 5 has no meaningful or worthwhile advantage over Xbox Series X in SSD performance that will have any major impact on games and the way they are built between the two systems. Even if PS5 has a speed advantage (don't believe it does) there it won't be enough of one for anybody to notice beyond a couple seconds faster load time. The CPU will handle the lion share of much of the behind the scenes work needed to have impressive persistent world's without much loading or visible pop in, GPU will play it's part and so will the SSD.
I notice a focus on this of late, but it has to finally be said I think that there is no conceivable way in which the PS5 SSD can be so much better than what's in Xbox series X that it will have a bigger impact on games and performance than the GPU, Cpu, memory amount and memory bandwidth speed. If there is one thing that will absolutely be a wash between the two systems it's the SSD.
I have zero inside information. Just my 2 cents.
Yep .
What i wondering is how much it would cost .
Of course it will if it does have a speed advantage just don't expect 3rd parties to take full advantage of it.
Also one big things this gen is SSD the faster the better .
Just like how the faster the GPU or CPU the better .
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PSA: Before we start to crosspost stuff, vfx_veteran is vetted on the old site. Different standards and all.
For real lol but as long as it's lower than the Xbox I know your heart will be at rest 🙂
I mean I don't really care too much as long as they're the similar, but I just think it's funny how the numbers keep rising
He has "updated" his info from GTX1080 to GTX1080-GTX1080TI range. Said his source was a dev at ND.
I guess it the target gets higher by the month lol.
We have no idea the numbers so people in the thread about speculation are speculating, If you think the TF's are to high id love to know about your inside connections that have the actual numbers
So it seems like it won't work with DS5, what a weird timing to release an accessory for a current gen controller.
I got perma banned from SonyGAF for asking "What's the average age of a GAF poster?". All the while there are just straignht up not even low-key fan boys that have a permanent free pass for some reason. What a maddening place.
Me thinks the mods there are just bored.
Me thinks the mods there are just bored.
We don't know the specifics for the SSDs in either console. It's very possible the ps5 ssd will outshine the xsx. If that's the case, you will probably be able to tell in first party games. Also, it's a PR bullet point. Sony can say something like "fastest loading games ever".
it's happening here too. i guess im a console warrior that is hostile. perhaps i should end all of my comments with /s just to be safe lol
the last ban didnt even tell me which post got me banned lol plus plenty of people say waaayyyyyy worrrse hate filled vile, yet never banned because its an 'opinion of criticism', but my comments warrent as console warring. yikes!
/s because i need to be safe LOL and this will probably be reported by the person who keeps doing it to spite me
Ι believe they ban if there are many reports. I have had 3 bans here(for one day each) without any legit reason(just for my opinion, for ex. the worst i did was when I said the word triggered after one of my opinions). Initially I believed it was my mistake because English is not my native language.
I am 20 years in forums and I never have been banned. In the third one I really thought that I will not post or be here again. I hope they will fix this. It's annoying.
And I see a pattern here after your post. For some reason they protect pc gamers? I don't know. I hope they will not ban me for this.
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Do we still have insiders claiming the PS5 is going to be more powerful than series X? To me all signs are pointing towards Xbox having the slight edge but at a higher price point while Sony will be slightly weaker and cheaper. The sudden game awards drop and naming convention of Xbox also points towards a cheaper Xbox to undercut Sony. I just find it weird that people are expecting Sony to come out with a beast system while keeping a low price point which is clearly their goal.
Agreed. When the 24+ TF Pro consoles come out in 2023, I'd rather that extra 20TF be used for something better than more resolution.
Well that would have been one way to fuck his source if he had one lol.
I think it's meant to make the DS4 more compatible with PS5. Some are speculating the DS5 will probably have some or all of this accessory built in.
I am sure you know his post history. He's been around forever and always down on consoles.
Yep no need to work with DS5 if it already part of the controller .
But what's the point? It's not like there will be games that require them?
Except Xbox Series X is already the following: Fastest. Most Powerful. :p
Maybe don't say bad things that need an /s, Give your actual opinion because shit posting and then going i'm just kidding isn't conductive to productive conversations.
Just wondering what? You think the numbers are to high to now so i'm not sure how that changes anything from your perspective, The one thing i'm certain of in this thread is that we have no idea whats achievable from either company but a lot keep acting like they do
The reason for why I visit it. Get a kick by him trying to put himself out there as someone who knows his shit.
But it's not, we have seen patent images for DS5 and paddles aren't there.
You're talking in pretty absolute terms for someone that neither knows the tech either console is packing and/nor has any clue about what is or isn't possible in terms of storage tech.
What signs though? I don't think there is enough info or insider speak to make that inference yet...other than what? There are two Xbox so the more powerful one may retail for a higher price?
Interesting article regarding HBM:
What’s Next For High Bandwidth Memory
Different approaches for breaking down the memory wall.semiengineering.com
Seems highly unlikely that PS5 comes with HBM... I'm open to being surprised tho!
If it is only 8 GB of HBM2E and 8, 12 or 16 GB of DDR4 it is ok
With 8GB and two stacks I suppose the cost is only 60 dollars and with info_MS the package cost is reduced and this is the price for low volume.
It would help the a lot to reduce cost of HBM...
I think 8GB and 2 stack DRAM dies would be ok, 60 dollars if they can add another type of RAM and use HBCC. ;) And this is the price with a low order volume.
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Didn't that end up not being related to PS5? There was a back on forth on here, can't remember what the upshot was...
youre right, i shouldnt call out the original shit posters with their same type of energy and hope that moderators check on it. because in the end im the one that gets banned lmao.
So Far things seem to be fitting together.
If we assume that the April PS5 DEV kit Rumor of nearly 13TF for the PS5 was correct and now assume that the 12TF(at least) for XBSX is correct then this makes the gap Between 0 and 7% (<1TF) this fits with what Klee mentioned as to the PS5 being slightly faster . So 12 to 13 seems pretty reasonable
If we assume that the April PS5 DEV kit Rumor of nearly 13TF for the PS5 was correct and now assume that the 12TF(at least) for XBSX is correct then this makes the gap Between 0 and 7% (<1TF) this fits with what Klee mentioned as to the PS5 being slightly faster . So 12 to 13 seems pretty reasonable
The key here would be integrating the controller die into the SoC rather than needing one for each stack.
ynos_gnusmas, if you're out there, my DMs are open ;)
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Here? I have been banned for making fun of PC gamers, xbox, nintendo games, Sony's first party line up and everything in between. i dont think they protect anyone. from what i understand, every ban is reviewed by multiple mods and i doubt they are all PC fanboys. its just that if you are constantly joking about pc gamers then you are going to become a target. same goes for anything else really.
the trick here is to not joke around system wars. or say anything remotely controversial. i do agree that people are very report happy on era, and that puts undue pressure on mods. they have been very lenient in this thread though lately ive seen a lot of regulars get banned here so it seems things will be far more strict from now on. just keep your head down and try not to upset anyone. its impossible because someone is bound to take offense so you will get banned no matter what. its just part of posting on era. embrace the bans. thankfully they dont last months.
You probably got banned for baiting people with SonyGAF (like you just did) and to be honest most of the time you drop in this thread it's only to grief some people. Would not hurt to see a bit more effort out of your posts.
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